Well, I guess we know what the next The Big Picture episode is going to be on.
Also, WHOOOOOOOOOOO!
Also, WHOOOOOOOOOOO!
Spider-Man Joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Update
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About time. Though I wish Sony would give it up entirely. Still, hopefully they'll have Peter Parker be an actual nerd again, instead of some skater douche bag.
Meh, I liked that the marvel films were taking their less-popular heroes (As in, the ones whose rights they hadn't sold) and made them big. And that they were taking some risks like destroying S.H.I.E.L.D. and doing Guardians of the Galaxy.
I've had my fill of spider-men, now if they get Emma Stone to be Spider-Gwen (Which I know nothing about) I would be way more hyped.
I've had my fill of spider-men, now if they get Emma Stone to be Spider-Gwen (Which I know nothing about) I would be way more hyped.
Don't know why folks are complaining and asking why Marvel's pushing their movies back. Pretty obvious that that's Sony's part of the bargain. Their movie division has been underperforming for years, Sony HQ is probably breathing down their neck to get out a megahit. Sony can't afford to wait for Marvel to fit in Spiderman in 4-5 years time. They probably came to Marvel with a "Now or Never" deal, and although Marvel could afford to wait them out, why would they want to? Their creatives probably want Spidey just for the fun of making a Spidey film. He's THE posterchild for Marvel comics.
And as for Sony retaining final creative control? That's just a safeguard. They know Marvel will make them money, they've seen Marvel beat their own films enough times. But you don't make this sort of deal with this much money flying around without making sure you have the on-paper authority to save yourself and your property from malfeasance or incompetence. What if Marvel, with full control of the film but not its profits, decide to deliberately sabotage it in order to pressure Sony into giving up on the rights entirely? It would hurt the reputation of the MCU as a whole, sure, but what if they thought they could afford the momentary hit? You just don't give someone else carte blanche to do as they wish with something you've invested hundreds of millions or maybe billions into. Sony isn't actually going to utilize it, at least in this first round, not when a chunk of their executive staff is on HQ's chopping block and they need something to save themselves.
And as for Sony retaining final creative control? That's just a safeguard. They know Marvel will make them money, they've seen Marvel beat their own films enough times. But you don't make this sort of deal with this much money flying around without making sure you have the on-paper authority to save yourself and your property from malfeasance or incompetence. What if Marvel, with full control of the film but not its profits, decide to deliberately sabotage it in order to pressure Sony into giving up on the rights entirely? It would hurt the reputation of the MCU as a whole, sure, but what if they thought they could afford the momentary hit? You just don't give someone else carte blanche to do as they wish with something you've invested hundreds of millions or maybe billions into. Sony isn't actually going to utilize it, at least in this first round, not when a chunk of their executive staff is on HQ's chopping block and they need something to save themselves.
As someone who places the first Amazing Spider-Man among the best of all the comic book movies (higher than all the Marvel standalone hero movies but under The Avengers/The Dark knight) I'm curious to see if this will actually be an improvement.
With luck, we'll end up with a mix of the best of what both companies have to offer.
With luck, we'll end up with a mix of the best of what both companies have to offer.
He already is having a field day with this. Just check his twitter account.marioandsonic said:
https://twitter.com/the_moviebob
Can't blame him, really. I could barely sit through the last two movies on cable. Imagine what its like seeing them in theaters.
Still, I wonder if this song is currently playing through Bob's head right now...
Not too sure about Emma Stone as MJ, but I vote YES to J.K. Simmons reprising his role as everyone's favorite snarky newspaper publisher.Trishbot said:It's a long-shot, but can we rehire J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson? If Judi Dench can survive a reboot, we can bring back THE man born to play this role.
... While we're at it, would it be too weird to recast Emma Stone as Mary Jane Watson?
Well we knew the Marvel Universe needed one stinker, going by the Amazing Spider-Man flicks' track record.
It's too soon for me to get too excited about this. I enjoyed the "Amazing" movies and I would have like to see the series continue, but at least Spidey's home...sort of.
If this was "Marvel now has complete and utter control and ownership of Spider-Man" then it would be a different story.
Business stuff aside, I'm very unsure about Civil War being his first appearance (if that turns out to be the case). That is a big story arc, in an already well-established universe, to start throwing in major characters because "he's in the comic". As much as it would piss some people off, I do feel it would be necessary to give him another origin story to establish him as part of the MCU before they start pretending he was there all along. Revealing his identity in Civil War? That wouldn't even have the proper impact in his "first" film.
It seems to me that 'Captain America: Civil War' is becoming less and less a Captain America film day by day...
If this was "Marvel now has complete and utter control and ownership of Spider-Man" then it would be a different story.
Business stuff aside, I'm very unsure about Civil War being his first appearance (if that turns out to be the case). That is a big story arc, in an already well-established universe, to start throwing in major characters because "he's in the comic". As much as it would piss some people off, I do feel it would be necessary to give him another origin story to establish him as part of the MCU before they start pretending he was there all along. Revealing his identity in Civil War? That wouldn't even have the proper impact in his "first" film.
It seems to me that 'Captain America: Civil War' is becoming less and less a Captain America film day by day...
This is all fine and dandy (And something I look forward to), but now I'm just curious if Sony is really going to make a Mario movie now! That's what I'm really excited for...
I hope the "Sony will retain final creative control" clause is mainly there for insurance to Sony that Marvel won't kill him off or otherwise make him unusable at any point and that they basically just listen to Kevin Feige, because that's worked out pretty well for everyone so far.
I think this sums up the reaction from the Internet regarding the news.
God, this was out of left field but, at the same time, not surprising given Sony's run of bad luck since last year. On the one hand, its a good sign that Marvel Studios/Disney is getting the chance to co-produce Spider-Man. However, having Sony still attached to this makes me leery plus it might be too soon for people after the last two abysmal movies. Plus there are reports that the Sinister Six movie is still in development with Spidey to debut in Captain America: Civil War but its up in the air at this time.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/329523-sinister-six-still-in-development-spider-man-to-debut-in-captain-america-civil-war
Right now, the news is still fresh and coming in. Still, I'd like to offer a wish list of what I'd like to see from this development.
1) Ditch the Last Two Spider-Man Movies: If Marvel/Disney really wants to do this right, it needs to distance itself from Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2. While not all of their movies have been 100% perfect (Iron Man 2 is a good example), Marvel's Cinematic Universe has had a fair amount of quality control to them while building trust with its audience. Having them make a new Spider-Man movie that is connected to the major disappointments that led to this development would undermine any and all good intentions. Also...
2) Shut Down Sinister Six, Venom, and All of Sony's Spin-Off Plans: See item 1. We knew these spin-offs were a bad idea and I hope to God Marvel/Disney feels the same way. If Sony wants to save itself further trouble, it needs to cut its losses and let Marvel Studios take the wheel. Which leads to my next item...
3) All Creative Control to Marvel/Disney (I.E. Fire Avi Arad and those responsible for screwing the pooch the last two times): I don't think this needs a long explanation. Between Avi, Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci (aka the biggest douche-bag hacks in screen writing history), and all involved with the last two fiascoes, Marvel/Disney needs to put its foot down, bring in its own staff, and handle this property the right way. Sony shouldn't just be thankful its still making some money out of this deal, it should be fucking grateful.
4) No Need For An Origin Story: I'm pretty sure America and the rest of planet Earth knows the origin of Spider-Man at this point. There's no need to bring it up again in the new movies. This was one of Amazing Spider-Man's many stumbling points and the fact that they botched it so badly did not help them at all. If some origin/motivation needs to be brought up, do it briefly and quickly so it doesn't slow the movie down. Blade and The Incredible Hulk did just that with their origins without dragging the film to a screeching halt. The same can be done with this new version of Spider-Man.
5) Do Not Fully Adapt The Comic Version of Civil War: Does anyone need to remind geek culture that revealing Spidey's identity was the second worst idea Marvel did, which also led to THE worst move they made aka One More Day? No? Good, lets move on.
I'd add more ideas like bringing back J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson or deciding which version of Spider-Man (Peter Parker or Mile Morales) should Marvel/Disney go with, but this is speculation at this point and its gonna be some time before we find out all the details of this deal. Right now, lets just breath a sigh of relief and keep our fingers crossed that this new chapter in the wall crawler's cinema career turns out for the best.
God, this was out of left field but, at the same time, not surprising given Sony's run of bad luck since last year. On the one hand, its a good sign that Marvel Studios/Disney is getting the chance to co-produce Spider-Man. However, having Sony still attached to this makes me leery plus it might be too soon for people after the last two abysmal movies. Plus there are reports that the Sinister Six movie is still in development with Spidey to debut in Captain America: Civil War but its up in the air at this time.
http://www.superherohype.com/news/329523-sinister-six-still-in-development-spider-man-to-debut-in-captain-america-civil-war
Right now, the news is still fresh and coming in. Still, I'd like to offer a wish list of what I'd like to see from this development.
1) Ditch the Last Two Spider-Man Movies: If Marvel/Disney really wants to do this right, it needs to distance itself from Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2. While not all of their movies have been 100% perfect (Iron Man 2 is a good example), Marvel's Cinematic Universe has had a fair amount of quality control to them while building trust with its audience. Having them make a new Spider-Man movie that is connected to the major disappointments that led to this development would undermine any and all good intentions. Also...
2) Shut Down Sinister Six, Venom, and All of Sony's Spin-Off Plans: See item 1. We knew these spin-offs were a bad idea and I hope to God Marvel/Disney feels the same way. If Sony wants to save itself further trouble, it needs to cut its losses and let Marvel Studios take the wheel. Which leads to my next item...
3) All Creative Control to Marvel/Disney (I.E. Fire Avi Arad and those responsible for screwing the pooch the last two times): I don't think this needs a long explanation. Between Avi, Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci (aka the biggest douche-bag hacks in screen writing history), and all involved with the last two fiascoes, Marvel/Disney needs to put its foot down, bring in its own staff, and handle this property the right way. Sony shouldn't just be thankful its still making some money out of this deal, it should be fucking grateful.
4) No Need For An Origin Story: I'm pretty sure America and the rest of planet Earth knows the origin of Spider-Man at this point. There's no need to bring it up again in the new movies. This was one of Amazing Spider-Man's many stumbling points and the fact that they botched it so badly did not help them at all. If some origin/motivation needs to be brought up, do it briefly and quickly so it doesn't slow the movie down. Blade and The Incredible Hulk did just that with their origins without dragging the film to a screeching halt. The same can be done with this new version of Spider-Man.
5) Do Not Fully Adapt The Comic Version of Civil War: Does anyone need to remind geek culture that revealing Spidey's identity was the second worst idea Marvel did, which also led to THE worst move they made aka One More Day? No? Good, lets move on.
I'd add more ideas like bringing back J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson or deciding which version of Spider-Man (Peter Parker or Mile Morales) should Marvel/Disney go with, but this is speculation at this point and its gonna be some time before we find out all the details of this deal. Right now, lets just breath a sigh of relief and keep our fingers crossed that this new chapter in the wall crawler's cinema career turns out for the best.
Supahewok said:
Please tell me were you get that Sony's movie division has been underperforming for years? as according to Sony's financials it's been either their 2nd biggest or one of their only profit makers for years.
Sony's financial year ends 31st of March
year ending 31st of March 2014 - Sony Pictures 2nd most profitable out of 8
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/13q4_sonypre.pdf
year ending 31st of March 2013 - Sony Pictures 2nd most profitable out of 8
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q4_sonypre.pdf
year ending 31st of March 2012 - Sony Pictures 3rd most profitable out of 8
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/11q4_sonypre.pdf
year ending 31st of March 2011 - Sony Pictures 3rd most profitable out of 6
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/10q4_sonypre.pdf
year ending 31st of March 2010 - Sony Pictures 2nd most profitable out of 7
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/09q4_sonypre.pdf
year ending 31st of March 2009 - Sony Pictures 1st out of 4
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q4_sonypre.pdf
is it to soon to ask for Spider Ma'am ? 
I'm hyper with the news about Spidey joining the MCU ^_^
I'm hyper with the news about Spidey joining the MCU ^_^
Okay. On one hand, colour me excited! Spidey kicking ass with the Avengers and taking part to the Infinity Wars like it's been historically in the comics? Nice!
On the other hand, to all those saying 'Miles Morales' everywhere?
Yeah. It's not going to happen. Here's why.
1) Miles Morales is tied to the Ultimate Universe, which is a niche market -coincidentally, ever since Ultimate Peter Parker bit it-. Not saying that he's not a well written character, just he's not well known enough to bring even those who have a marginal knowledge of Marvel to the theaters -if you think the billions for the MCU come only from those who were hardcore comic book fans, think again-.
2) The backstory and character of Miles is much more complex and it requires Peter Parker to have existed AND to have died before he took up the tights. If you read the comics you know that a big part of Miles' arc, at least at the beginning, was trying to live up to the legacy of Ultimate Peter -which was the best thing out of the Ultimate Universe, let's be honest. That and his relationship with Ultimate Kitty Pride-. And since Miles is relatively new and not mainstream well known, that can't be addressed in a 'this happened, deal with it' way like they can and probably will with this new Peter.
3) A lot of the strength and appeal of the Marvel Universe is taking/remixing/recreating scenes from the comic books and putting them on the big screen. Peter Parker as Spider-Man has one of the biggest and longest and most variegated vault to pick from. He's fought hundreds of people, both heroes and villains, both his own and of others. He stared down the Ghost Rider, he stopped the Juggernaut, he fought Magneto, Galactus, the Phoenix Force, he was Captain Universe, etc... Miles has, what? Two years? Three?
Now, that said, while Miles is not going to be the newest Spider-Man, this new reboot of the Spider-Man universe could still present an opportunity for him to appear. How?
I suppose you've heard of the Spiderverse crossover event. Well, imagine that basic gist on the screen. You could have Spiderman 2000, Spiderman Noir, Spiderman India, Miles, etcetcetc... All on the same screen together!
But for that to happen, we need good old Peter Parker first.
Who, while has been done to death, has rarely been done as well as they should have. Especially on the big screen. McGuire did well his nerdy side but not the cool joke-quipping confident. Garfield did the latter perfectly, but not the first. It was pretty much glossed over in the AMS movies. So this is a chance to finally find an actor who will be to Spiderman what Tony Stark is to Iron-Man.
On the other hand, to all those saying 'Miles Morales' everywhere?
Yeah. It's not going to happen. Here's why.
1) Miles Morales is tied to the Ultimate Universe, which is a niche market -coincidentally, ever since Ultimate Peter Parker bit it-. Not saying that he's not a well written character, just he's not well known enough to bring even those who have a marginal knowledge of Marvel to the theaters -if you think the billions for the MCU come only from those who were hardcore comic book fans, think again-.
2) The backstory and character of Miles is much more complex and it requires Peter Parker to have existed AND to have died before he took up the tights. If you read the comics you know that a big part of Miles' arc, at least at the beginning, was trying to live up to the legacy of Ultimate Peter -which was the best thing out of the Ultimate Universe, let's be honest. That and his relationship with Ultimate Kitty Pride-. And since Miles is relatively new and not mainstream well known, that can't be addressed in a 'this happened, deal with it' way like they can and probably will with this new Peter.
3) A lot of the strength and appeal of the Marvel Universe is taking/remixing/recreating scenes from the comic books and putting them on the big screen. Peter Parker as Spider-Man has one of the biggest and longest and most variegated vault to pick from. He's fought hundreds of people, both heroes and villains, both his own and of others. He stared down the Ghost Rider, he stopped the Juggernaut, he fought Magneto, Galactus, the Phoenix Force, he was Captain Universe, etc... Miles has, what? Two years? Three?
Now, that said, while Miles is not going to be the newest Spider-Man, this new reboot of the Spider-Man universe could still present an opportunity for him to appear. How?
I suppose you've heard of the Spiderverse crossover event. Well, imagine that basic gist on the screen. You could have Spiderman 2000, Spiderman Noir, Spiderman India, Miles, etcetcetc... All on the same screen together!
But for that to happen, we need good old Peter Parker first.
Who, while has been done to death, has rarely been done as well as they should have. Especially on the big screen. McGuire did well his nerdy side but not the cool joke-quipping confident. Garfield did the latter perfectly, but not the first. It was pretty much glossed over in the AMS movies. So this is a chance to finally find an actor who will be to Spiderman what Tony Stark is to Iron-Man.
Huh...curious to see how this will work, especially if they reboot Spidey AGAIN. Also, I wonder if Sony will also loan Spidey out to the Fox (X-Men and Fantastic Four) universe. If so, does one universe get Peter Parker, while another gets Miles Morales (or Miguel O'Hara)?
Could we just have her play every character? as much as i loved Garfield as Peter Parker, Emma Stone killed it on those movies.Trishbot said: