Spider-Man: No Way Home

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Oh no that's not the autoplay I'm talking about. If you hover over a video thumbnail, it will start playing the clip with no audio.

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For example, that. It's not obvious, but that's a random frame from the video that played while I hovered my mouse over it. The actual thumbnail looks like this.

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Oh, when my mouse hovers over, it's shows like 5 seconds of the video that loops, chances of a spoiler popping up in that should be extremely rare. I figured you were talking about the normal autoplay and probably had Youtube on in the background doing other things and then you hear like discussion of some character's death or whatever.
 

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Oh, when my mouse hovers over, it's shows like 5 seconds of the video that loops, chances of a spoiler popping up in that should be extremely rare.
Not really. I'm not talking about actual YouTubers who make actual content, although some of them do engage in spoiling. These people are random shmucks who wanna try and get lucky on the algorithm by posting very short videos of pivotal moments in movies or shows. The last example I can remember was for Shang-chi, man people went all out posting the end credits scenes or "Character X's Death".

EDIT: Forgot to mention, it's also MUCH worse on YouTube mobile. You can straight up watch an entire video from the "preview" from start to end.
 
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Not really. I'm not talking about actual YouTubers who make actual content, although some of them do engage in spoiling. These people are random shmucks who wanna try and get lucky on the algorithm by posting very short videos of pivotal moments in movies or shows. The last example I can remember was for Shang-chi, man people went all out posting the end credits scenes or "Character X's Death".

EDIT: Forgot to mention, it's also MUCH worse on YouTube mobile. You can straight up watch an entire video from the "preview" from start to end.
I didn't even realize those videos existed. I always use Youtube in browsers on mobile because extensions and if it's something I wanna watch later, I can open it in a new tab instead of sending to Watch Later and clogging that up.
 

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Just got back from seeing it.

Even with all the stuff I accidentally saw online, there is still a ton of fun stuff I did not expect in this.

Matt Murdock!

There are some weaknesses to it. Uneven and sometimes, unwelcome tone changing "humor". Some suspension of disbelief. Some morally questionable stances. But man oh man is there one metric butt ton of fan service in this movie and I loved it. Loved the post credit scene.

2.5 hours flew.

Do you think Tom Holland will play Spiderman? And really, it ends with him less Iron-Spider and more Spiderman for the 1st time. And I think we're going to see "Dark Dr. Strange" as in the What If episode in the next Strange movie.

Best Marvel show, movie or TV, since End Game.
 

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I enjoyed quite a bit, an 8/10 for me. It's not quite up there with Spiderman 2 or Into the Spiderverse. It does have all the classic Spiderman themes in it and it's a very Spiderman-esque story. I was a bit surprised by the crowd reaction for one reveal thinking "people liked that person that much?"

The one little bit/reference that I think I enjoyed the most was something small and didn't think they would do...
Toby Maguire's back issues bit.
 

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It was a great movie, actually. The formulaic MCU stuff can be annoying, but it takes a turn for the better about halfway through. Some really funny stuff too, even if some jokes (especially Ned's) don't land.
 

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Do you think Tom Holland will play Spiderman? And really, it ends with him less Iron-Spider and more Spiderman for the 1st time. And I think we're going to see "Dark Dr. Strange" as in the What If episode in the next Strange movie.
Honestly it all depends on the lawyers. Marvel wants another trilogy and has reached out to Sony, but they have not signed a new deal, let alone one with Tom Holland. The movie ends as both a soft reboot and an end to Spiderman going forward. If no deal is reached, Marvel can plow right on ahead with another Avengers movie and whenever anyone asks where's Spiderman, they just point to this one. Marvel basically wrote a script that allows them to never have to mention Tom Holland's Peter Parker ever again, just in case.
and I don't think its a coincidence that opening week Tom Holland announces he wants to start a family, with Zendaya, bringing her MJ into the equation for future contract negotiations.
Ultimately Marvel always caves though. This movie has already made $350mil, and if Tom Holland and Zendaya each want an extra million or two, what does Marvel care? The big question is Sony, who have been salty about Spiderman ever since audiences went nuts for him in Civil War. They may want to take their Spiderman and go home, no more MCU, Peter and MJ never meet again, sad ending, moving on.
 
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Watched it last night and had a really good time.

I don't necessarily know that I can say it's a great movie, but it's definitely a very fun movie. The entire movie it literally just pandering to decades of Spider-Man fans, and I (and everyone else in my theater) was totally there for it. This isn't the movie that's going to get you to like Spider-Man if you don't already, it's a movie for those people who already love Spider-Man.

I will say, this movie really puts into perspective, more than any of the other Marvel movies, how ugly the Marvel Spider-man costumes have been in comparison to the other live action movies.
 

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Just saw the movie finally. And i am still blown away by how good they keep making these movies. The marvel movies have been ass for the most part since Endgame, and technically this is a Sony movie but it plugs into the MCU as well and is very confusing for that but whatever you get my point.

This movie is fantastic, the returning characters were great and the moments each character gets is wonderful. Andrew Garfield i think gets his time to shine that he never really got in the Amazing series and there is a particularly great moment with him in this movie.

I love what they did with the villians and i love how it ended. It makes me excited for Spider-Man's next adventure because they sort of set it up then even if Tom Holland takes a break, he could return to the role and plug right back in where he left off with no problem.

It is hard to not want to talk about spoilers because this movie just has sooooo much, but i dont want to do anyone a disservice who loves Spider-Man.

Though i will say i am impressed by the cast i think everyone did a steller job and it was heartwarming to see some familiar faces for long time fans.

Fuck guys go see this movie!!!!
 
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I need to watch it again to make up my mind. It was a lot to take in. Its kind of mind-blowing how much they packed in and made work in such a short run time and how unspoilerly the trailers ended up being. It was an incredible ride, but goddamn was it depressing.

I think admittedly between how sad so much of it was and me starting to get MCU fatigue I'm struggling to decide if it was a 8/10 or 10/10.

It felt like every other scene alternated between really funny, really cathartic and then really depressing. I feel like I subconsciously don't want to give it a 10 because I nearly cried like 5 times. To be clear like not fanboy crying I do mean literally it was just that sad.

It was bizarre that this ended up being literally a final sequel to all the spiderman films so ended up being three movies in one and even made an honest effort at redeeming the Amazing Spider-Man films. I am weirdly disappointed that the films ultimately ended up being emo and sad like the two previous versions. I enjoyed Spider-Man being sorta fun and happy go lucky for once, but this ends pretty much in the same position as Tobey macquire Spider-Man, broke sad and alone. It was awesome seeing green goblin fully realized and beating the crap out of the Spiderman. He was much more in line with immensely of threat that he is in the comics. Overall just a strange perfect ending to everything Spider-Man. It must have felt so good for Toby and Andrew to get proper endings. BTW if you're curious the skit about toby Spider-Man having back problems is from him trying back of Spider-Man 2 due to a faked back issue, but in reality was a contract money dispute. They made a joke about it in Spider-Man 2 as well.
 
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Saw it, and its great. It is. Its just a great time. I don't like the way it was marketed, I think it was incredibly dishonest and broke faith with the audience and opens a whole shitbucket can of worms about actors being honest in interviews and the value of trailers.
But the story and action were great, the emotional scenes were emotional, the comedy was comedic and I liked how they did a lot of the characters.
Having said all that, they not only failed to stick the landing at the end, their femurs shot up straight through their chest and into the ceiling dragging their guts and intestines out with it and spraying bile and shit all over the audience.
WOW! What the fuck were they thinking?! They've effectively removed Peter Parker from the MCU. There's no reason to bring him back, no one knows to call on him, and he's decided to just stick to stopping dudes from holding up sandwich shops in New York and most of his best villains have already been used. Plus with Tom Hardy apparently not in the MCU anymore which was a baffling stupid mistake, and Peter completely reneging on his promise to his best friends and deciding that no, with great power comes no responsibilities, this movie ends the Spiderman story, full stop. They're not going to reverse the spell, they're not going to have Peter decide a year or so from now to finally tell MJ and Ned, he's not going to be fighting/teaming up with Venom, Daredevil doesn't remember who he is, and the Avengers have lost a key member, AND any left over villains like Vulture have completely forgotten him. Who is left for him to fight? Kraven the Hunter? Hydro-Man?! Its such a step down to go from an Avenger in the Infinity Saga to just the friendly neighborhood Spiderman, especially because that hasn't been his comic theme for decades. I just remember how awesome it was to see Spiderman in Civil War, and this ending felt like Sony and Marvel taking away our toys saying its been five years, you had your fun, move on, you mustn't dwell, no more of this shared universe stuff. No more Spiderman teaming up with the Avengers, no more Falcon and Winter Soldier sharing cracks with him, no more Happy Hogan being a guardian and wanting Peter to be the next Iron Man, none of that having responsibilities and power, Peter just went with the power, no friends, no family, no one to look after, no responsibilities, just being powerful and betraying the trust of the last 2 people who loved him because he's decided he knows better than them, which was supposed to be the lesson he took away from the whole fiasco, but apparently he's taken the easy life. No more Avengers responsibilities, none of that "when you can do what I can do and the bad things happen, they happen because of you" mentality, none of that "I can't be the friendly neighborhood spiderman if there's no neighborhood". None of the drive that saw him stand up to Iron Man and demand he be allowed to do more than just protect Queens. Nope. None of that. Peter is all but reset as a person and character and they're going to spend the next 3 movies, I dunno, having him fall in love with Black Cat, realizing he has a duty to be more than just selfish, help save the world...and then have Dr. Strange undo it all a second time.
The move ends up feeling like a divorce between parents, and the kids are being split up and Sony is driving across country with Spiderman while Marvel is keeping the Avengers, and they're allowed one more sleep over before the move, and we get to the ending and the move happens and Sony made sure to cut all ties with the Avengers, Spiderman is his kid and he will do all the Uncle Ben's dying in the street he wants to!

Its a 10-the ending/10
Yes but actually no.
The world has forgotten Peter Parker in his entirety; it has not forgotten Spider-Man. It is an important distinction
 

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Yes but actually no.
The world has forgotten Peter Parker in his entirety; it has not forgotten Spider-Man. It is an important distinction
Yes in that Spiderman does exist, but it completely regresses Peter Park to his pre-Civil War status as just a kid in an apartment being friendly neighborhood Spiderman. Which some argue is the way Spiderman should always be, but to me thats like leaving Batman in Year One. Part of Peter's journey is supposed to be accepting loved ones and being a hero, and being an Avenger and all that jazz. And removing him from the minds of the MCU does mean when the next Avengers assemble, they have no reason/ability to call on Spiderman.
No Way Home just resets Peter, no responsibilities, no Avengers, somehow a SS number to register for a GED test(odd that he even has to study for it), some line of credit to get an apartment. And its going to all be for nothing. I mean what does Marvel think its going to do? Leave MJ and Ned out? Start again with a new love interest? How will that one be any different?
I hated the ending because it felt like a cheap cliffhanger to get us to see the next one, as if MCU fans aren't going to be there opening night, regardless. Except now we have to spend at least an hour of the fourth movie, if not the entirety of the fourth movie, returning Peter to a MJ/Ned/Happy life.
Its like all the times Tony "retired" and it never took. Just stop saying he retired at the end of his movies, and lets start the next one with an action scene rather than re-establishing Iron Man.
 

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So since this movie is coming out here in theaters on January 8 and we just got locked down again, I gave up. I keep getting near misses with spoilers, so I watched a cam version. I haven't done that in almost a decade. And it genuinely hurt that I had to, because I had a fucking blast with this movie. I can only imagine how much better it would have been with actual good audio and visuals, and with the people I love watching with me. Sigh.

Anyway, the movie. Fucking loved it, even though the writing was just thrown out the window. Tom Holland has a lot of detractors, but I think he was excellent here. The man can fucking act when he wants to. His relationship with Zendaya's MJ was so genuine I found myself a little sad and missing my SO. It's an almost unnoticeable detail, one I wouldn't have caught had I not previously seen an article about it, but it's great how they let Holland and Zendaya keep their actual heights. They've come a long way from Robert Downey Jr's fucking stilts in the Iron Man movies.

Stream of thoughts:

- Anything related to Dr Strange and magic makes no fucking sense. The movie had so much else to make up for it, but if this is the level of writing that we can expect from Dr Strange 2, that movie is going to be in trouble.

- I really wish we had more from the villains. What we did get was great, all their little interactions and great performances from literally all of them (even lizard boy). I'm almost certain it was an age/Covid thing and that's why Doc and Norman pretty much disappear for half the movie.

- Just Tobey Maguire being on screen again is enough to make me laugh. There's been just too many memes about him and his movies, I can't help but smile while he just exists.

- It was hilarious how much shit gets flung at the TASM movies. To the point that I was feeling a little bad for Andrew Garfield. The dude gave it his all in his movies, but Sony couldn't resist fucking everything up. It's also tragic how much time he had to spend pretending that he wasn't in this movie, all while he was trying to promote his passion projects.

- As a Filipino, Ned's Lola was fun but also really cringe. I don't know who that lady is but she sure doesn't sound like she has ever acted in our language before.

All in all, yeah, what a wild ride. Just like with Shang-chi, I'm just glad to be enjoying MCU movies again, and superhero movies in general.
 
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Yes in that Spiderman does exist, but it completely regresses Peter Park to his pre-Civil War status as just a kid in an apartment being friendly neighborhood Spiderman. Which some argue is the way Spiderman should always be, but to me thats like leaving Batman in Year One. Part of Peter's journey is supposed to be accepting loved ones and being a hero, and being an Avenger and all that jazz. And removing him from the minds of the MCU does mean when the next Avengers assemble, they have no reason/ability to call on Spiderman.
No Way Home just resets Peter, no responsibilities, no Avengers, somehow a SS number to register for a GED test(odd that he even has to study for it), some line of credit to get an apartment. And its going to all be for nothing. I mean what does Marvel think its going to do? Leave MJ and Ned out? Start again with a new love interest? How will that one be any different?
I hated the ending because it felt like a cheap cliffhanger to get us to see the next one, as if MCU fans aren't going to be there opening night, regardless. Except now we have to spend at least an hour of the fourth movie, if not the entirety of the fourth movie, returning Peter to a MJ/Ned/Happy life.
Its like all the times Tony "retired" and it never took. Just stop saying he retired at the end of his movies, and lets start the next one with an action scene rather than re-establishing Iron Man.
I think it's a lot less about being a cliffhanger and more of allowing Spider-man to either completely exit the MCU or come back and do more if Tom Holland and Sony want to. At some point Holland was acting like this would be the last one, but that might have changed since this movie made a bajillion dollars.

That said, yeah. Not a big fan of what they did. It's very much the writers going "don't think about it", just like the Blip. Along with the spell at the start of the movie, it's a heavy sprinkling of poo on an amazing ice cream sundae. As for a sequel, I assume it's gonna be a "Spidey does college" thing where he gets MJ to fall in love with him again. I too am not looking forward to that, because I enjoy them as a couple quite a bit. They should have ended with Peter asking MJ out on a date or something after having visited the coffee shop and building up a rapport.
 
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I think it's a lot less about being a cliffhanger and more of allowing Spider-man to either completely exit the MCU or come back and do more if Tom Holland and Sony want to. At some point Holland was acting like this would be the last one, but that might have changed since this movie made a bajillion dollars.

That said, yeah. Not a big fan of what they did. It's very much the writers going "don't think about it", just like the Blip. Along with the spell at the start of the movie, it's a heavy sprinkling of poo on an amazing ice cream sundae. As for a sequel, I assume it's gonna be a "Spidey does college" thing where he gets MJ to fall in love with him again. I too am not looking forward to that, because I enjoy them as a couple quite a bit. They should have ended with Peter asking MJ out on a date or something after having visited the coffee shop and building up a rapport.
See what I think would be amusing, and they'll never do it because I would enjoy it, is spend the first I dunno, 10-20 mins of Spiderman 4 with MJ as she slowly pieces things together. She said she would figure it out a second time, lets see her do it. She finds drawings of Peter in her journals, maybe an old photo of them, or a poem she wrote, or something about the necklace he gave her, and she watches him from afar at the coffee shop. Not reverse the spell, but she figures out there was a spell, or mind control or aliens from space erased her memory. Skip the drama, skip the needless scene of Peter seeing her on a date with another guy and realized she's better with him, skip the last minute love declaration in public, skip the her running to his apartment in the rain, skip all of that. MJ is really clever in the MCU. Let her figure it out, and have news reports of Spiderman dealing with New York crime in the background. That way she can just go straight to his apartment and demand to know who were they to each other, is he Spiderman, and what did he do to make her forget.
Skip the trashy romance scenes and let it be a character growth moment for MJ.
 

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Sony and Marvel are apparently getting a bit big for their boots.

They are now starting their campaign to try and get No Way Home nominated for an Oscar - including Best Picture.

Look, No Way Home was a blast - it was probably the most fun that I have had in the cinema ever - but I wouldn't ever say it was Oscar worthy.

But, seeing as 2016's Suicide Squad is an Oscar Winning movie (it was for hair and makeup), I guess anything is possible.
 
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Look, No Way Home was a blast - it was probably the most fun that I have had in the cinema ever - but I wouldn't ever say it was Oscar worthy.
Isn't it funny that every year we exclaim that we don't give a shit about the Oscars, then when a movie like this or Black Panther gets nominated, we all know in our hearts they don't "deserve" an Oscar?

That's not a criticism or whatever, just an amusing contradiction I see in myself and others.
 
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Isn't it funny that every year we exclaim that we don't give a shit about the Oscars, then when a movie like this or Black Panther gets nominated, we all know in our hearts they don't "deserve" an Oscar?

That's not a criticism or whatever, just an amusing contradiction I see in myself and others.
Not that I cared much to begin with, but after the fiasco with The Dark Knight, I really did not give a rat's ass about the Oscars. It's nothing more than a special club, with people they think they're doing something important, but they're really not. Those in charge acting as if they are and patting themselves on the back. No different from the Game Awards.
 
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