Square Enix Responds to "Racist" Deus Ex Character

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And people wonder why most video games just tint the caucasian character models brown and call it a day. Sheesh.

Right off the bat, the video starts, and the first thing you see is a black woman digging through a trash can. Taken out of context, I can see how that would seem offensive. Most non-gamers aren't going to realize that there are other black characters in the game, or that the game features rich white people digging through the garbage too, because it's kind of a major plot point that everyone's suddenly poor because of the drug company conspiracy.

(Not a spoiler, it was in the trailers.)

In general, I don't think giving a black character a southern accent, in and of itself, is any worse than giving an aggressive character a New Jersey accent, a mob kingpin an Italian accent, or a blonde character a Californian accent. Which is to say, it's stereotypical. Handled well, it could be used to create a character that averts or subverts the audience's expectations, creating a three-dimensional and believable character that audiences can identify with and respect. Maybe even aspire to be like them some day.

This particular character does none of the above in the scene shown in the youtube video. She's just a typical NPC, there to advance the plot and add flavor to the world. I don't think the developers intended for the game or even this scene to be racist, but watching the video by itself, I can't help but feel a little squeamish. Once when it opens and she's just digging through the trash, and then again later when she starts laying on the Jar-Jar talk a little thick, and then again when I realized the player wasn't going to pay her for any of the information, despite several prompts to do so, her overly agreeable attitude no matter what her situation is or what bad news she's discussing, even the way she was holding her hands towards the end... I just... ugh. Yeah, I can see how this could make people uncomfortable.

I should point out that I haven't played the game, either. So if she gets a Crowning Moment of Awesome later in the story if you pick the right path, or even if it turns out she's some kinda badass operative or something and this is just her cover, well... then it might be a different story. Either of these would put the character into the realm of subverting the sterotype, rather than playing it straight, as in this video.

I'd like to know, who wrote this dialogue? Were they black or white? Are they from a southern city where everyone talks like this? What prompted the voice actress to choose that particular accent? Was she just improving? Did they do several takes and they kept prompting her to make it more like that? (Is it possible she was doing the part even more stereotypically, until they asked her to reign it in?) Was it written up that way even all the way back in the Design Document?

These questions explore the *intent* of the game developers. Everyone involved in this scene from the voice actress to the writers to the modellers and texture artists were all involved in creating this character and bringing her to life. Presumably they were aware that the work they were creating would touch upon themes of race. Statistically speaking, many if not most of them were probably white males. I find it difficult to believe that the developers weren't going for this character archetype. The trouble is, they nailed it a little too well, and the fact that she's digging through the trash when you first see her dumps a shitload of fuel on the fire.

I could imagine a scenario where everything in this video was designed by committee. Some guy drafted a sheet full of possible NPCs to fill this slot in the game, and the Art Lead decided he liked the look of the really dark-skinned one. (You don't see a lot of people with that skin tone in mainstream media, the only black celebrity I can think of with skin that dark is Michelle Obama, and surely she's as far away from a harmful portrayal of blacks as you can get, right?) The voice acting would probably be done next. Maybe the dialogue was written neutrally and the voice actress jazzed it up for one of the takes. Maybe the white guys in the studio were even standing around uncomfortably and asking "Is this all right?" And the actress was like "Don't worry about it, this is how my neighbors talk." (Obviously this is all just speculation on my part. I don't even know the name of the actress, let alone where she's from. Presumably she's in the credits, and this will all come out and be archived in a wiki somewhere in a few weeks.)

Naturally the sound lead would pick the take that made her stand apart from the rest of the NPCs, if there was more than one take to choose from. I don't know for sure but the sweater she's wearing looks like it was just some stock NPC clothing option... maybe the level designer chose the combination of parts that would make up this NPC. The animation, I'm not sure about. It's extremely jittery, which might be part of the effect they were going for, or it might indicate random jitter in the game engine to mask a very heavily compressed animation. Was mocap used for this?

If this entire thing was captured as some sort of digital performance, like in L.A. Noir, that adds a whole new bunch of questions. Was the actress trying to do something specific with the role? Just following orders? Trying to make a political statement? Deliberately trying to manufacture the controversy we're currently discussing? Attempting to produce Oscar Bait? She certainly sounds like she's done this accent before. How do we know that everything seemingly racist about the whole performance wasn't the actress's input into the role? I'm not arguing that it's likely, I'm just wondering if it's possible. Actually knowing for sure would require learning the nuts and bolts of how this scene was put together.

What I'm saying is, it's possible this was just the Perfect Storm. That nobody intended this character to come across as racist as she looks in the youtube video with the context of the game is stripped away. Obviously I don't know the whole story. I wasn't there. My point is, we don't know.

But that said, the developer's intentions don't matter, and 100% of what I just said is moot, if the average black person finds it offensive. The real tragedy here isn't a bunch of racist people making a racist game at a racist games company. It's that nobody called them on it during quality control. This scene was seen and heard by artists, developers, and playtesters. Even accounting for tunnel vision, you'd think someone would have noticed it. Hell, I'm the most insensitive prick I know, and even *I* was uncomfortable when she started really laying on the Jar Jar Binksisms towards the end. So it's not like white guys are incapable of noticing this shit.

I would love to hear more about the development process and the actress involved in this scene, but sadly those details are pretty obscure and probably not very likely to come out, even among the wiki-nerds. I'm pretty sure the actress is black, though, and so I would be very interested in hearing her take on this scene and what it was like recording it. Escapist, maybe you could make that happen? Make some phone calls.

Moviebob says this better than I can, but there's been a lot of racism in the past, and it continues to this day, but in the past it was way worse. My distant ancestors did a lot of horrible, shitty stuff to Michelle Obama's distant ancestors. Rationally, I know that *I* didn't do any of that stuff, so it's not my fault. And if it's not my fault, then obviously it's not my job to make up for it, right? Collectively, though, white culture has done so much damage to black culture throughout history... destroyed or overwritten so much that can never be regained. And there are still people alive who lived through the tail end of some of the worst of it. So just seeing a performance like this one that hits enough of the right notes (regardless of whether intentionally or accidentally,) is enough to trigger all sorts of bad memories.

Hell, it made me feel uncomfortable, and I was born in the 80's.

That said, please forgive the hardcore gamers flooding this thread with straw-man arguments, flimsy excuses, and claims of double-standards. They're not saying what they're saying because they hate blacks or because they don't know their history. They're saying what they're saying because they are gamers, first and foremost, and they don't want someone else's politics to come along and ruin their game.

It's a panicky knee-jerk reaction to a perceived threat, which is a shame, because the other people in this thread are actually making an effort and discussing the issue of race. Which I think has probably got to be healthier than keeping quiet and trying not to think about it.

Sorry this post is so long. It's 2:30 in the morning so I'm not exactly 100% right now. I don't think the game as a whole is offensive, but I think this scene in particular was pretty insensitive. I think it was probably an honest fuckup, but I'd love to know more about how it happened and why, and what people were thinking. And also, what context from the game about this character might I be missing which could further inform this scene and maybe hint at what (if anything) they were trying to do with it.
 

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I'm more offended by false champions for equality making sensationalized stories, trying to confuse readers to what is and is not racism. That's what offends me. That and I couldn't fully get past Adam looking like a bro-y douche who sounded like a wannabe Batman
 

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i am offended that people like narcisse does not recieve psychiatric help. there is an obviuos mental problem, and your not helping.

The problem is that the character speaks a dialect that is essentially shorthand for "stupid negro."
so then majority of white people in, say, alabama is "stupid negros"?



this is really going into the movie racism ideology where if you have no black characters - its racism. if you have few black characters - its racism because "its only few" and if you have majority of black characters its also racism because nto all black people are portraiyed as angels.
 

SextusMaximus

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Black people who portray a certain negative role in a game?

OMGZZHAXXORZ IT'S RACIST.

To quote Foreman: "Some people don't know the difference between racism and everybody get's screwed"
 

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Seriously, I just want one of these guys to come out and say "Oh alright, it's offensive to you? We'll just get right onto patching it so he becomes a fat white dude."

I encounter people who speak like that on a daily basis.
 

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I have never been to the American South nor even the United States at all, yet EVEN I know that such accents actually exist to varying extents for both European and African Americans. Has this guy ever spoken to anyone outside of New York?

She doesn't fit any racial stereotypes apart from being poor which is not really a fair stereotype in either DXHR or REAL LIFE where abject poverty and forced vagrancy can be a fact of life from people of all backgrounds.

I think this is a product of people in northern cities only ever hearing a black southern accent in the context of racism and assume that the accent itself is racist. The actual content shows her as thoughtful and rather enterprising yet Evan Narcisse seem to automatically assume it is for "humour" to the point of accusing outright racial intimidation with her mere depiction.

The thing is she is just another weird character who should NOT BE JUDGED SUPERFICIALLY!

That is what is being done here, he is being prejudiced.

I wonder would this man treat REAL black women having the same voice with the same derision? Or would he deny that they even exist?

I wonder would he consider this racist:


Hmm, they're talking in "broken english" therefore Steven Spielberg and Alice Walker are RACISTS!
 

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I don,t really see a problem with it.
it might sound racist but I,m sure some afro-Americans talk like that way (some not all) like some Caucasians talk like rednecks.
 

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Gralian said:
Why is it a mistake? Are you seriously telling me that absolutely every individual living in an inner city area doesn't speak with such heavy affectation and slang? Because even here in the UK, people from the inner city areas, particularly around London, do have a significant "street speak" about their dialect. It's not just black people, either. White people who are brought up in the inner city who associate with what was generally seen as 'black culture' also adopt that way of speech and how they carry themselves. While Letitia does have something of the fifties about her, i think it's a bit myopic to not see inner city culture having its roots in what was once hyperbolised by the privileged majority. I would've considered it to be more jarring if she spoke with perfect diction. She already looks a little bit too neat to be a hobo as it is. (Then again, all hobos in Detroit seem to have that problem)
I'm not saying - and never did say - that every character should have perfect diction. What I'm saying, and what the original complaint is, is that the dialogue written for Letitia draws on old negative stereotypes for African-Americans. It's worth pointing out as well, that no other character in the game, not the other hobos, punks, or whatever, speak like she does.



Gralian said:
Africa is still a third world country by most standards. I appreciate the mud hut villages and savage portrayal of native Africans throwing spears and such is upsetting, but what else would you expect to find? Sprawling cities and paved streets? If Capcom didn't want to draw on that imagery, they shouldn't have chosen Africa as the stage. What bothers me is how people claim to have no problem with the game being set in Africa yet fail to recognise such imagery would be inevitable given the location. It's not even as if the entirety of the game was that one painful trudge through the mud hut villages; before that you had a reasonable shanty town and later on an escapade through a vast military complex.
That's the thing, such imagery isn't inevitable in an African setting. I suppose it's a bit much to expect nuance and subtly in a Resident Evil game, but what Capcom presented was, at best, a caricature of Africa, and not an especially kind or accurate one either.
 

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Fronzel said:
Greg Tito said:
...to object so vehemently to her portrayal would mean you'd have to object to...the Asian stereotypes in Cooking with Mama.
First, point of accuracy; it's called Cooking Mama; no "with".

Second, that's a rather strange thing to say, even for the purposes of exaggeration in an analogy. It's a Japanese game and that's a real Japanese woman speaking actual terrible English. It's not any kind of attempt by the Japanese devs to portray their own culture in any way at all. It's just gratuitous English like in so many Japanese games, as badly done as usual.
Hmm Japanese housewife in the kitchen, cooking and NOTHING ELSE? While curiously joyful at the menial task of chopping carrots?

There, anyone can play the Racism-game and make things out as "offensive stereotypes" here the double whammy of "woman in the kitchen" and "deferential Asian housewife".

It doesn't matter if there really are women like that, or that Japanese men (or even housewives) may have made it, it's still a stereotype and you can crucify people for that just with innuendo of racism.

I don't think cooking mama is offensive, just that it can be made to appear offensive.
 

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this guy is just another poor asshole trying to make a little cash by screaming "RACISM" at the to of his lungs every time an ethnic person is involved. problem is, the louder and more frequently he yells it, the more credibility he loses
 

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Noone seemed to complain about Dead Rising 2 when the black lady you have to escort would randomly blurt out phrases like "Say whaaat?" I don't see how this is any different.
 

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As far as I am concerned, if it was not MEANT to be racist, then it isn't racism.

The KKK are racist.
Neo nazis are racist.

"There's a different group to get pissed off at you in this country for everything your not supposed to say. Can't say ******, Boogie, Jig, Jigaboo, Skinhead, Moolimoolinyon, Schvatzit, Junglebunny. Greaser, Greaseball, Dago, Guinea, Whop, Ginzo, Kike, Zebe, Heed, Yid, Mocky, Himie, Mick, Donkey, Turkey, Limey, Frog. Zip, Zipperhead, Squarehead, Crout, Hiney, Jerry, Hun, Slope, Slopehead, *****, Gook. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of those words in and of themselves. Their only words. It's the context that counts. It's the user. It's the intention behind the words that makes them good or bad. The words are completely neutral. The words are innocent. I get tired of people talking about bad words and bad language. Bullshit! It's the context that makes them good or bad. The context." - George Carlin
 

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I fail to see why it really matters in the grand scheme of things how someone (especially a fictional character) is portrayed in a game.

What all these politically correct morons need to learn is that no matter who you are, if you live on this planet, you are fair game to be made the bad guy or have the piss taken out of. NO EXCEPTIONS!
 

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I'm amused that people are freaking out over a character I never even met in the entire game. I didn't realize you COULD talk to her...
 

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Treblaine said:
I wonder would he consider this racist:


Hmm, they're talking in "broken english" therefore Steven Spielberg and Alice Walker are RACISTS!
Seriously? You're using The Color Purple to make that point?
 

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That South Park episode about the flag comes to mind.
Really, if they stop paying attention to EVER SINGLE black character in EVERY SINGLE game, it will just stop being a big deal and nobody would give a damn that the character is freakin' black.
 

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Hey.

The Deus Ex vocal racism is funny as hell to me. Breaks my immersion a bit. But makes me laugh.

I, personally, didn't feel that anyone should be offended, then again...I'm a white male.

Besides, remember the accents from DE1?

Yeah...

Hahahaha. Thanks for reminding me of so much I've forgotten. I might even re-play it soon (for the 20th time full play through or something).


EDIT: OT: Say whaaaaa? No, I don't believe it's racist. Just like I don't believe that it's sexist when Oprah caters to women, or smartish when Jeremy Kyle caters to chavs.

It's a STEREOTYPE. A stereotype for a reason (it actually existed), and it's played with a straight face. We're not 'poking fun at the blackies', we're just looking at a possible outcome of society.

Why in this modern day and age, can we have serial killers in our games, but as soon as we put a woman with an apron behind a stove, everybody jumps?
 

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So what if that particular character spoke weird. So Jensin, with his deadpan gruff voice was a portrayal of all white people? Or are all the other characters in the game just "portrayed more PC", and the developers crossed the line on just one? There are gang bangers in my town for example, who intimidate and make everyone else feel uncomfortable, is there anyone who would say that they are representing everyone of that culture? Reviewers love to show how worldly they are by mentioning these things they see in games. Not a representation of all reviewers of the race they belong to, but they as a single person are not smart and lack critical thinking skills. Letitia isn't the problem, Racemongers are.