No, no, no. I mean there's never any original news here; every single news article is a rewrite of the source. How come the Escapist isn't being the source for other people for a change?Scars Unseen said:
Square-Enix Still Isn't Remaking FF7
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They know they couldn't possibly live up to expectations.
In addition, many of those who played JRPGs back then have kind of outgrown the genre.
For example, I simply can't enjoy the broad characters and linear plots anymore, even though I loved them back in the day.
So yeah, better to let sleeping dogs lie.
In addition, many of those who played JRPGs back then have kind of outgrown the genre.
For example, I simply can't enjoy the broad characters and linear plots anymore, even though I loved them back in the day.
So yeah, better to let sleeping dogs lie.
Because this isn't a news site. Not really. You may notice that the articles are never neutral in tone. The author always inserts his opinion. News sites hire people to go out and find news, engage and interviews, etc. That's not really what this site is for. If you needed any indication that this is so, just realize that a fair portion of the articles you read in the news section are authored by a someone who writes a web comic. That's kind of like putting Conan O'Brien on CNN News(no offense, Mr. Carter).Grey Day for Elcia said:
I hope this is a facetious remark, because neither XII nor XIII used the traditional ATB system. They employed ATB guages, yes, but this is where the similarities end.SmarterThanYou said:
XII used the Active Dimension Battle (ADB) system, a vaguely MMO sort of style that relied heavily on the player being able to move around the battlefield (AoE spells are a good example of this) and a set of pre-programmed autocommands called 'Gambits.'
XIII used the Command Synergy Battle (CSB) system, which does away with turns as a measure of time and instead employs them sort of like "action points". CSB places huge emphasis on party synergy, and while it's an interesting concept on paper, taking control of the party away from the player seemed like a huge mistake to me. What manner of Final Fantasy game allows you to control just ONE member of your party and places the others under AI control? I'll tell you- a bad Final Fantasy game.
Now, if XII and XIII had stuck to a more traditional system- a truly turn-based system that used the ATB and nothing else, like what was employed in VII- they would have been better games. But that's just my opinion on it, and my JRPG preferences are decidedly old school.
I'm damn tired of hearing this. I don't know what rock people live under but WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT SQUARE ENIX'S FANBASE.Strain42 said:
Jesus, have you all seriously failed to realize they DO NOT care about making games for Westerners? This isn't new... this isn't obscurely hidden knowledge.
The reason they have no intention on remaking this game is due to the lack of interest/demand from Japan. While there might be "some interest" that culture doesn't really "demand" this sort of thing, and Square Enix with all their hemorrhaging of money these last few years, isn't going to invest the bank in this project.
Square Enix: The company that brought you Final Fantasy X-2 and Dirge of Cerberus. Knowing what fans want since 2003
Square Enix really does seem to be having hearing problems
Fans: We want Final Fantasy 7: HD
SE: They want Final Fantasy 7: The Sequel, The Prequel and The Movie
Fans: We hate XIII. Bring back the old school final fantasy style
SE: They want more XIII. Bring in the sequel........also DLC
The fact that questions about an HD ff7 comes up in almost every SE interview says something. People clearly want this game to be made. But Square Enix sticks to their reasoning of too much time and production cost while at the same time spending their efforts on shitty sequels and prequels. Now I didn't mind XIII, it wasn't a bad game it just wasn't a great game (something that SE delivered in the past). But was XIII-2 really necessary? I finished XIII and at no point did I think "wow great ending I wonder what happens next?" Also what is with the obsession with final fantasy sequels and really bad J-Pop?
If Square Enix doesn't want to remake 7 then fair enough its their choice. But then don't release remade HD footage of the opening cutscene, thats just unfair. People see an updated cutscene then they expect an updated game. I can understand that the clip was made to show the PS3 and the Advent Children movie, but then they should have used an original scene or made a more traditional movie trailer. I can also understand that they choose a famous cutscene to make it easily recognizable with Final Fantasy but surely characters like Cloud and Sephiroth are such a big part of gaming culture that just using these two characters in a fight scene trailer would have sufficed?
Also why does it have to be done in super eye raping HD? A slight update would be nice. Similar graphics to crisis core would make me happy. Hell just giving the characters proper hands instead of cow hooves or proper SOLDIER uniforms instead of purple PJs would do.
?????David VanDusen said:
Firstly no one has stated that they think that caps lock white people are SE's fan base.
Secondly the question of a remake was asked by a Japanese reporter for a Japan gaming magazine so I would assume that Japanese people or even JAPANESE PEOPLE are interested in a remake
Shamus did a great column in Experienced Points about why a) doing a remake would be a stupid amount of money and b) Why the fanboys would probably still hate it. I wish they'd just read that. Then if they were still intent on a remake they could maybe do it themselves.
I kinda feel frustrated that articles abou an ff7 remake keep coming up over and over again. It just continues to feel more whiny and petulant.
I kinda feel frustrated that articles abou an ff7 remake keep coming up over and over again. It just continues to feel more whiny and petulant.
As much as I'd love a remake I'd happily settle for some new games. Their argument however loses weight when they go on about remaking X. I mean why? It's not old, the graphics are good, the voice acting is just awful. Also please finish and release Versus XIII that actually regained my interest in Final Fantasy after X.
A. I never said that they were, and why on earth would you try and bring skin color into this?David VanDusen said:
B. Kudos to you for apparently having psychic powers and being able to tell what every gamer in Japan wants.
C. Any Japanese developer that ignores the western fanbase is foolish, especially in these times when game sales are down. There are plenty of Japanese developers that are aware of and listen to what western audiences think of their games. It's a bad idea to ignore and pretty large chunk of your buyers just because they're in another country.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... *gasp* *gasp* *gasp* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!John Funk said:
You have got to be joking. The only way modern squeenix games could suck harder is with a vacuum attachment. The jokers who brought us FFXII: Final Fantasy the Really Dull movie, FFX-2: Final Fantasy the Dress up Game, and FFXIII: "It totally gets good 30 hours in we swear" expect to somehow equal or surpass Square titles FFVI, FFVII, Secret of Evermore, Super Mario RPG or Chrono Trigger? Or Enix titles like Illusions of Gaia and Terranigma? Give it up now and focus on remakes guys. Your separate past is all you have going for you, and everyone knows it.
I do not recall a single time where people asked for all of these HD collection games, I know I didn't ask for any of it. Of course it's part the consumers fault for buying into it, but it's not like the consumers are the only ones at fault. Publishers could easily say no and spend the money making something original, but they don't.canadamus_prime said:
Really? If I had a dime for every "Which games would you like to see remade in HD?" thread or any variation there of I've seen on this forum alone I'd be a very wealthy man.Waaghpowa said:
And yes, the Publishers could say no and produce something original instead, but the reason they're not lends itself to a completely different issue entirely.
EDIT: oops, typo.
I've read this article, and in the interest of full disclosure, I'm a huge Shamus Young fan. In this case, however, I don;t agree with him.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
There is an implicit (but not explicitly stated) necessary component to his argument: Square-Enix wouldn't sell enough copies of a remade Final Fantasy VII to recoup the development costs.
According to TFA:
Shamus goes on to explain that it would essentially mean re-creating the game from scratch; that's really the entire point of his column. And it would take a lot of resources to create such a game. But the same could be said of all the recent entries in the franchise... and they've been prettty bad, IMO. The real question (that nobody seems to be interested in asking) is, "how would a remake sell?" The assumption is that the answer is "not enough." I'm not convinced that that's actually the case. I strongly suspect that the reality is that a remake would sell enough units to more than recoup development costs.
So, hypothetically, how could Square-Enix test the waters for a full-blown remake without blowing a wad of cash on the project? Well, how about an official re-release of the old PC version? No need to update the graphics, just a couple of bug fixes (those should be pretty well-documented) and updating it to run on modern hardware (easy). Distribute it digitally-only to keep costs down. Copies of the original are selling on eBay for over $100, so a re-release at (say) $30 should bring in enough revenue to (1) gauge how much actual interest there still is in the title; and (2) bring in some revenue.
If it doesn't sell, they won't have invested much in the project (and still would almost certainly recoup the costs of the bug fixes, etc.). If it does sell, but they're still not certain a full-blown remake is going to be worth the development costs, then release it episodically. Maybe just the first part of the game that only takes place within Midgar. No need to develop the rest of the world (and its monsters, NPCs, towns, vehicles, etc.). Charge $20 or $30 for that. If it sells, use the revenue to develop the rest of the game. And if it doesn't, then at least Square-Enix can say they tried, but fan support wasn't there.
Here is the thing with what is going on.The reason for this is that Square is still in a tight spot after their loss last year (Thanks to FF14 and it's bad performance). A remake of FFVII is just going to put their company at risk and knowing the fans, they will tear SE a new hole if even the slightest change is considered bad. Look what happened to the Mass Effect Fandom. Half the internet banded together and destroyed EA and Boiware. With FF7 fans being here much longer, what do you think is going to happen?
FFXIII was a way to try and get to a bigger demograph, not the hardcore fandom. It's become extremely hard for Square to find new fans these days without having to pander to the hardcore crowd. Thankfully, I was not in the hype of FF13 and didn't buy the game until 6 months after it was released. I played it as a regular player and thought it was decent in my opinion. Was it better than FF7? No, but I still had fun fighting monsters, leveling up and getting to know most of the characters.
I do believe it is possible for a FF7 remake, just not on the PS3 or Xbox though. Making a game that has graphics on par with FF13 and keeping every single tiny detail together is MUCH easier said than done. We would be in "Duke Nukeum Forever" long development if that were to happen. However, FF7 for the Nintendo 3DS would be a perfect opportunity for Square to compromise to the fans!
Nintendo remade Ocarina of Time for the 3DS and just updated the graphics while keeping true to the old fashion nostalgic feel of the N64 version. There were a few changes, but not very noticable. This could coincide with how SE has remade FF1-6 on handhelds as well. The only problem: Nintendo 3DS is not very popular ATM. SE just need to wait for the game concile to get popular and focus their attention on games like FF versus 13 and KH3 (and from what I hear a FF13-3 that 13-2 dangled in the Lightning DLC.)
Also, "Square-Enix wanted to make new games that it hoped would equal or even surpass the titans of ages past."
not the best thing to say Nomura, especially with how split the fandom is now these days.
FFXIII was a way to try and get to a bigger demograph, not the hardcore fandom. It's become extremely hard for Square to find new fans these days without having to pander to the hardcore crowd. Thankfully, I was not in the hype of FF13 and didn't buy the game until 6 months after it was released. I played it as a regular player and thought it was decent in my opinion. Was it better than FF7? No, but I still had fun fighting monsters, leveling up and getting to know most of the characters.
I do believe it is possible for a FF7 remake, just not on the PS3 or Xbox though. Making a game that has graphics on par with FF13 and keeping every single tiny detail together is MUCH easier said than done. We would be in "Duke Nukeum Forever" long development if that were to happen. However, FF7 for the Nintendo 3DS would be a perfect opportunity for Square to compromise to the fans!
Nintendo remade Ocarina of Time for the 3DS and just updated the graphics while keeping true to the old fashion nostalgic feel of the N64 version. There were a few changes, but not very noticable. This could coincide with how SE has remade FF1-6 on handhelds as well. The only problem: Nintendo 3DS is not very popular ATM. SE just need to wait for the game concile to get popular and focus their attention on games like FF versus 13 and KH3 (and from what I hear a FF13-3 that 13-2 dangled in the Lightning DLC.)
Also, "Square-Enix wanted to make new games that it hoped would equal or even surpass the titans of ages past."
not the best thing to say Nomura, especially with how split the fandom is now these days.