Hard copies being throw into landfills and burnt, Sonic and Mario living together, MASS HYSTERIA!!!John Funk said:
Steam Version of Dead Space 2 Dead in the Water
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Hopefully the problem will be resolved. People payed to play that game and now they're already having problems with starting Dead Space 2.
Why do you need to be so ignorant to defend unliving machines? Does it matter which console it runs better on? Honestly, we all benefit if all systems can run the game the same. We should always be excited to see video games move forward in innovation and capabilities, not shoot each other with the "my console is better" pissing contest. Video games are awesome, so when something like this happens, a great response would be "Well that sucks, but I hope it gets fixed soon so you can enjoy the game along with us". But that is a little too perfect probably 
But anger towards game developing teams is something I feel a little bit differently about. They should not pick favorite systems for games to be better developed if they are 3rd party just for money(i.e. Call of Duty), so this sucks for PC. If only developers could be more thorough with catching issues before release.
^Do not read if you do not care about games. Waste of time it will be :\
But anger towards game developing teams is something I feel a little bit differently about. They should not pick favorite systems for games to be better developed if they are 3rd party just for money(i.e. Call of Duty), so this sucks for PC. If only developers could be more thorough with catching issues before release.^Do not read if you do not care about games. Waste of time it will be :\
That's not always a guarantee. At least this issue can be fixed with a patch. I would hate getting stuck with a defective disc, having to go all the way back into town to get a replacement that possibly will be sold out of and no more being available until a week later.John Funk said:
Actually, I would argue that compared to console gaming, PC gaming is "inconvenient." Convenience (and price) is pretty much the entire point of the console experience, isn't it? Think about it: If I buy an Xbox 360 game, I put it into my Xbox and know that it will run exactly as it's supposed to run - I won't have to worry about settings, or whether it can handle the graphics, or anything like that. It's very much a plug-and-play mechanic.Tzekelkan said:
On the other hand, if I get the same game for my PC, it's a lot more complex. I need to make sure my hardware is compatible (not really so much of an issue anymore in this day and age, but it still happens), I need to make sure all my drivers are up to date, and maybe I don't have enough machine to run it at max performance on the highest settings. Of course, I also have a lot more flexibility; I can push it beyond what a console is capable of, I can customize it to be exactly how I want it to be in ways a console never could, etc.
It's flexibility and complexity (PC) vs. simplicity and convenience (console). That's the tradeoff, and it's about what you prefer and value more. I love my PC and PC gaming, but sometimes I just want to pop in Halo and shoot teh dudez.
So yes, I would say that console gaming IS more convenient, but it comes with a tradeoff. You know?
These things happen, I'm sure they will be or have been cleared up soon enough. I'm looking forward to playing Dead Space 2 some time in the(possibly) near future.
Indeed. It's a shame you didn't read what was said, because nothing you aid changed my "aapologetics" comment.Woodsey said:
A little less irony next time.
Sigh... another thread devolving into an utter flame war...
Anyway, while I myself have not purchased Dead Space 2, I hope it's resolved thoroughly and expediently.
Anyway, while I myself have not purchased Dead Space 2, I hope it's resolved thoroughly and expediently.
Well put. It's nice to know people still exist who understand the concept of a middle ground.John Funk said:Actually, I would argue that compared to console gaming, PC gaming is "inconvenient." Convenience (and price) is pretty much the entire point of the console experience, isn't it? Think about it: If I buy an Xbox 360 game, I put it into my Xbox and know that it will run exactly as it's supposed to run - I won't have to worry about settings, or whether it can handle the graphics, or anything like that. It's very much a plug-and-play mechanic.
On the other hand, if I get the same game for my PC, it's a lot more complex. I need to make sure my hardware is compatible (not really so much of an issue anymore in this day and age, but it still happens), I need to make sure all my drivers are up to date, and maybe I don't have enough machine to run it at max performance on the highest settings. Of course, I also have a lot more flexibility; I can push it beyond what a console is capable of, I can customize it to be exactly how I want it to be in ways a console never could, etc.
It's flexibility and complexity (PC) vs. simplicity and convenience (console). That's the tradeoff, and it's about what you prefer and value more. I love my PC and PC gaming, but sometimes I just want to pop in Halo and shoot teh dudez.
So yes, I would say that console gaming IS more convenient, but it comes with a tradeoff. You know?
P.S. Thanks
Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. It's a perfectly reasonable position for many gamers. It doesn't apply to me though, so I would tend not to consider it convenient. It's a matter of preference and "environmental" factors, really.John Funk said:Actually, I would argue that compared to console gaming, PC gaming is "inconvenient." Convenience (and price) is pretty much the entire point of the console experience, isn't it? Think about it: If I buy an Xbox 360 game, I put it into my Xbox and know that it will run exactly as it's supposed to run - I won't have to worry about settings, or whether it can handle the graphics, or anything like that. It's very much a plug-and-play mechanic.Tzekelkan said:
On the other hand, if I get the same game for my PC, it's a lot more complex. I need to make sure my hardware is compatible (not really so much of an issue anymore in this day and age, but it still happens), I need to make sure all my drivers are up to date, and maybe I don't have enough machine to run it at max performance on the highest settings. Of course, I also have a lot more flexibility; I can push it beyond what a console is capable of, I can customize it to be exactly how I want it to be in ways a console never could, etc.
It's flexibility and complexity (PC) vs. simplicity and convenience (console). That's the tradeoff, and it's about what you prefer and value more. I love my PC and PC gaming, but sometimes I just want to pop in Halo and shoot teh dudez.
So yes, I would say that console gaming IS more convenient, but it comes with a tradeoff. You know?
For instance, I game on my laptop, which is more convenient to carry around than a console, like when I'm at my girlfriend's or at University. Also, I do not have easy access to a TV (I'm still living with my parents so the big TV is in the living room). If I want to check something on the Internet during a game I just Alt+Tab. Also, I can use my relatively cheap rig both for games and work, if I don't care as much for graphics. Also, if you wait a few months PC games are dirt cheap compared to console games that almost never go down in price, which helps offset for the cost of the PC in the first place. Also ad nauseam, you get the idea.
I see convenience as something circumstantial, it depends on each gamer's priorities. Sure, I need to install/download a game and fiddle with the settings/config files to get it to work like I want it to, but it's a tradeoff for the PC's convenience.
So yeah, that's my side of the convenience issue. Again, I understood yours and I'm not saying consoles are less convenient. I think that a platform's advantages can be seen differently depending on the beholder and that the choice is a matter of pure personal preference.
EDIT: Also, the only other console I own is a Wii. The first thing I did when I got it and what do I do from time to time just for fun? Went to the settings to tweak them to my liking. "Plug-and-play" or not, I'm still settings-obsessed
"Steam (run by Valve) doesn't know how to treat its customers? I've never heard anyone argue THAT before, hell, they gave EVERYONE A FREE COPY OF PORTAL when it came out for Mac, I'm sure this is a mistake on EA's end."Zachary Amaranth said:
"Apologetics never get old."
What I said was a perfectly sensible response.
You called him an apologetic when he was saying it wasn't Valve's fault, implying you blame Valve. If that wasn't your point, think about your wording next time.
I love Issac's facepalm, it's like he's saying "Look, I'm stuck on a hellish space station filled with reanimated corpses and even I think this is stupid."
I thought you were going to mention that it costs $59 for it on Steam. I always thought digital distribtuion was supposed to cut the cost at least by a bit, maybe $49, but $59 seems high to me...?
Not really, but nice try twisting things.Woodsey said:
(Hint: For your version to work, it would have to be an asbolutist, "all or nothing" deal. Sorry, I neither think nor speak that way, and assumptions to the contrary are not my responsibility).
(also, no implication I blame Valve for the same reason. An apologist is an apologist, regardless of whether I am against their cause....).