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If anime was just a bit of porn fantasy with jiggly cleavage shots and girly giggles here and there, I would actually be quite fine with that, because I like those sorts of things. Misogyny in anime is much broader than that though - it's very all-encompassing, and a lot of it is very blatant, but one of the key indicators and most important facets of it manifests itself in characterisation. It's not that there aren't characters - of course there are - but those characters are not female, it's only the appearance of the characters which is female. It's similar to how horror films work when there's female 'characters' who in fact are only female visually - just more extreme. There have been some really good studies written about characterisation and woman-hatred in the slasher genre, find them and read them, they are truly eye-opening and you will never watch a horror film with a female lead character in it in the same way ever again. I also recommend a documentary film called "Some Nudity Required", if you can find it it's worth a look. Then look up a book called "Damned Whores And God's Police" or at least get familiar with the basic theory behind the book. Then learn about the social landscape of Japan which only let women into a lot of positions of power a few decades ago and learn about how that has changed mainstream Japanese society and what the reaction to that has been... it's impossible to talk about it all properly here, it's too deep, too complex, too off-topic and nobody is paying me. Good luck.A random person said:
I agree with you. However, I don't think making a timeline is going to fix anything. I also think we should be careful of singling people out here, or at least you should, because we need users here like you, and I don't want to see you getting banned for calling someone out in front of the whole forum, no matter how overdue some may think it is. If things are getting under your skin this much, maybe you need a sabbatical from The Escapist, and by the time you want to come back you'll just be happy to be posting again, and it will subside the anger of seeing the place you love to go, go to hell.JimmyBassatti said:
I've witnessed the shift myself, and found it is much better to step back for a while and find something else to focus on, rather than trying in futility to change a community that doesn't want to change. You can't force-feed everyone, you know? When the Mods are aware of what is going on, and deem it to be a problem, I'm sure things will change. Until that point, keep using the report button, and bringing to the moderators attention the things that we as a collective community do not want on these forums. It's the only power we have to enact change.
Esp. when it most cases it's the pot calling the kettle black. Metaphorically speaking of course.Radeonx said:
The faux-psychotic stands out. Ordinary comments infused with a lot of meditations on homicide and so forth.
Who was the last person may I ask?A random person said:
OT: Stereotypes... umm.....
Escapists don't seem to like religion threads, Halo threads, and death penalty threads very much. Everyone seems to fear that they'll explode into all out flame wars. Maybe it's because I don't look hard enough, but I haven't seen any major flame wars start up here that didn't have something to do with a troll that someone forgot to ignore first.
Ohhh there are a few older or frequent posters, who I won't name, who use every opportunity to take part in:
Mutual Throbbing Ego Masturbation AKA Massive Circle Jerk
The amount of smugness from these self congratulatory few is overwhelming.
I'm sure you don't know who you are.
EDIT: Oh yay, I just noticed I've been here for exactly one year.
Mutual Throbbing Ego Masturbation AKA Massive Circle Jerk
The amount of smugness from these self congratulatory few is overwhelming.
I'm sure you don't know who you are.
EDIT: Oh yay, I just noticed I've been here for exactly one year.
I was in that argument as well. *shifty eyes*GoldenCondor said:
But indeed, he shouldn't have been on The Escapist considering he had to lie about his age to sign up. Granted, I'll admit that it could have been handled better. But as always, hindsight is 20/20.
Um...dare I ask you to provide examples? I've not seen any misogyny in anime that couldn't be attributed to Sturgeon's Law, same with pretty much any medium that has a significant amount of pandering to an audience.BonsaiK said:
To be frank, (hi frank), there are alot of elitists on the forum and some then act incredibily modist, which in some cases i don't buy the modesty and take it to be completly false. Secondly it seems acceptable to be completly rude to people. Yep you'll never meet them and take the opinion my days its only a forum where in other posts they act like the escapist is oxygen and its not very good manners is it?
Out of that mini rant, there is a sterotype of hypocrites and yes i'm probably a hyprocrite but i'll say i am, rarr and i just don't like people.
Out of that mini rant, there is a sterotype of hypocrites and yes i'm probably a hyprocrite but i'll say i am, rarr and i just don't like people.
First off...wow. Epically long, yet incredibly informative post (both being together is rare now, it seems).Anarchemitis said:
Second, that's sad. I read the forums long before joining...pretty sure that's when I started my reading and feeling this was the place to be.
Third:
I didn't know that. Is it against rules to simply speak of one or two in particular, or only to list them?Anarchemitis said:
Which is my final point, that it's sad that a truly great place has given rise to so much elitism. Sad, but perhaps inevitable.Anarchemitis said:
Has rampant elitism been mentioned yet? How about the constant self-wank from so many members (or Max-wank)? Would those be the same thing?
Oh, the rampant elitism has been mentioned.
Mentioned, discussed, denied, confirmed, defenestrated, buried, liquefied, purified, and sautéed in a wine reduction.
Of all the niggly things on these forums, elitism is the most constantly mentioned.
But to all the people disapproving of Anarchemitis' post about the different generations of the Escapist, I think that he was just making a point. Wasn't meant for singling out or polarizing or anything like that the way I saw it.
But back on topic, the biggest Escapist stereotype I always think of is this:
Or, in the case of females, this:
But I mean, it is a stereotype. Most of the Escapist isn't like that, some of the Escapist is, that sort of thing.
Mentioned, discussed, denied, confirmed, defenestrated, buried, liquefied, purified, and sautéed in a wine reduction.
Of all the niggly things on these forums, elitism is the most constantly mentioned.
But to all the people disapproving of Anarchemitis' post about the different generations of the Escapist, I think that he was just making a point. Wasn't meant for singling out or polarizing or anything like that the way I saw it.
But back on topic, the biggest Escapist stereotype I always think of is this:
Or, in the case of females, this:
But I mean, it is a stereotype. Most of the Escapist isn't like that, some of the Escapist is, that sort of thing.
I wouldn't have really thought of Taxi that way before. Then again, I only know what he's done through a few of the six users he has had and I didn't really know him before his first banning.Anarchemitis said:
As for me, the elitism has already been mentioned, so I'll go with the hypocrisy of the phrase 'quality over quantity'. Whilst this phrase would've been perfect in the days of the old escapist when, as Cheeze said it:
...in the modern era of The Escapist, as it is described so well by Anarchemitis, this figure of speech has kind of become redundant. Despite users claiming this to be the best forum on the internet due to the quality of it, and users saying that quality is key on this site, the most famous users of this generation are those who don't do this and get famous by making a loads of posts on loads of threads and only become famous through appearing on pretty much every thread in existance. Users like MaxTheReaper and Fat Man Spoon don't follow the mantra of quality over quantity and yet look how famous they are, whilst at the same time users like Therumancer who make few posts but put lots of thought into them have about 15 friends and are fairly obscure to the modern generation of escapists. What else can I say?Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Well...some of people here like to believe that they are a cut above the common man. They are very happy to tell everyone about their wonderful intelligence, but then do things which contridict their own standards.
1) We should be nice to new users, welcome them, and not be too harsh when they break the rules. No-one every welcomed me and that reflects on the community a lot.
2) We should report without wrath. Just press the button, there is no need to flame back at them or say `reported`. Just report.
3) We should allow discussion to make discussion. Not a clashing exchange of egos or opinions, but an exchange of ideas
4) We should create origional threads instead of using topics which are controversal
5) We should read all threads with merit, not just jump on the flaming bandwagon
Maybe if we can achieve these things, we can make a nice comminity.
I think that it is fine to think of yourself as `elitist`, but you have to put your belief into practice.
1) We should be nice to new users, welcome them, and not be too harsh when they break the rules. No-one every welcomed me and that reflects on the community a lot.
2) We should report without wrath. Just press the button, there is no need to flame back at them or say `reported`. Just report.
3) We should allow discussion to make discussion. Not a clashing exchange of egos or opinions, but an exchange of ideas
4) We should create origional threads instead of using topics which are controversal
5) We should read all threads with merit, not just jump on the flaming bandwagon
Maybe if we can achieve these things, we can make a nice comminity.
I think that it is fine to think of yourself as `elitist`, but you have to put your belief into practice.