So did George Lucas, it doesn't' mean he's not a grubby asshole in it for the dollar. I'd suspect the difference is that steve would never bastardize his own productsLittle Duck said:
Steve Jobs Is a Vindictive Weenie, Says EA Founder
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MBP's are amazing, this is coming from someone who's owned over 10 laptops from all sorts of manufactures and at all price points up to 3k and I ahve not found a single better laptop from a purly form factor perspective (not just pretty but solid, light, great battery life, and nicer keyboard then most(although the lack of home and end key along with the function keys not being normal is a tough swtich)).Busdriver580 said:
Yes they do cost a lot more but I think it's justified. OS x and iOS on the other hand.... still kinda hate them although I'm giving it a chance with the most recent release of lion.
This isn't some sheeple response or me being tricked, I've built computers, programmed, gamed, sys admin, all of it and the MBP is the best laptop I've ever had. Feel free to disagree but I think many would argue for their MBP's worth. iMacs and low end pro desktops on the other hand are a waste of money. The high end pro's just get to the point where they can't have any markup to be competitive so you can get some good consumer server stuff at a good price.
Want to see Job's backstory? Watch "Pirates of Silicon Valley". It's a good movie, and it's all about the founding of Apple and Microsoft. Gives plenty of backstory and perspective on both Jobs and Gates.
Round is perfectly apt there.... good attempt at trolling though even though you just made yourself look silly.Denamic said:
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Gates is the single biggest philanthropic donator in the world and is a generally nice guy (I've met gates in person, but also have friends who worked with him). Ruthless businessman sure but generally a good guy. Jobs is just an asshole (the horror stories from apple employees, yes I know apple people too) all the time. Up on stage, in his emails, to his employees.manythings said:
Well, another point is that whole "macs don't crash" and "macs don't get viruses" are on the border between PR market-speak and outright lies. Sure, in general, Mac OS is stabler than Windows, but things do crash, Apple's software engineers are simply better at hiding the fact that it happens (unlike Vista which I has several times frozen when Flash decides to crash). As for viruses, as the MacDefender thing earlier this year proved, Macs can get viruses The reason that its only starting there now is because the Mac marketshare is finally getting large enough that writing said viruses is actually worth the time. Previously, the marketshare was small enough that writing a Mac virus is was not profitable, Windows was/is.TheDooD said:
Personally, some of the, admittedly limited, amount of coverage I read of the MacDefender incident was incredibly comical. Anyone who's browsed the internet on Windows for any period has seen the antivirus popup scheme before, and knows to avoid it like the plague. And Mac users that got hit actually fell for that thing, meaning that some of them never learned safe-browsing practices. XD
I think a big harbinger of Apple's decline is the fact that their newer ads rely on their own reputation more than actual selling points of their devices. The facetime one especially expects you and everyone you know to own an apple device in order to use it. Why would anyone buy a webcam that only allowed you to talk with other people with the same brand of webcam?
I don't think they will outright fail, but will probably stagnate and become a low risk, very slow growing blue chip company.
I don't think they will outright fail, but will probably stagnate and become a low risk, very slow growing blue chip company.
Pixar was founded by former Lucasfilms employees using tech that Lucasfilms basically invented. But Jobs did invest a ton of money into it and became majority owner before selling it to Disney.Little Duck said:
I don't own any Apple products myself (I too hate the closed nature of their systems). But I do have several friends that do and I have to admit that Macbook Pros are well built and designed products.
I'm not an Apple fan; I do own a MacBook Pro but the price tag doesn't justify the outdated hardware. The systems are well-built, I agree. I was looking to purchase a Mac Pro for professional uses but thought better of it. I like the look and feel of the OS X but I've had no trouble whatsoever with Windows 7, so I'll be staying out of the Mac zones until there's a solid reason to go Mac. The OP was amusing, though.
You know, there's one group more annoying than the "Cult of I HATE Apple", and that's the Cult of I Call Everyone Who Hates Apple a Bandwagoner. Plenty of people dislike Apple for valid reasons, not just because it's popular, now it sucks [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle6cd1cskka05i].smudgey said:
Those "I'm a Mac" commercials are quite possibly the worst advertising campaign I've ever seen. Don't tell people anything useful or true about your product, just make some clips where the Windows guy isn't as good as the Mac for whatever reason. Make the Windows guy crash, then have the Mac guy tell some like about how Macs don't crash. Make the Windows guy get a virus, then have the Mac guy say he doesn't get viruses. Have them both make a movie and have Mac guy make a better movie of course. That commercial was especially stupid: Macs might have good software for making videos, but there's pretty good software for that available for Windows too, and the quality of the movie you make isn't completely dependent on what software you use. You can have iMovie, but if you don't know how to use it properly, your movie will be just as bad as Windows guy's movie.CM156 said:
But yeah, in short, a bunch of ads that basically just say "Windows sucks" did nothing to make me want to buy a Mac. They just made me say "Apple is quite the dick."
Give it up EA. He founded what we know computers to be today. He spearheaded the trend toward graphical user interfaces, and then he spearheaded the trend toward mobile computing.
Deal with it EA. You haven't spearheaded any trend toward anything except for annoying copy protection schemes.
Deal with it EA. You haven't spearheaded any trend toward anything except for annoying copy protection schemes.
I'm guessing you're the type of person to just read the title and then post, correct? Well then, please run along somewhere else. Because what we're talking about is Trip Hawkins, who founded EA and is no longer working with them.Fearzone said:
OT: I've always found Apple to be an odd company. They make products based soley on stuff like touchscreens or how tiny it is.
I must admit the mpb is probably the best laptop on the market, and you didn't even mention the screen, the mbp has an awesome screen. Easily the best portable computer I have ever experienced, although there are some high end competitors from Sony and the like that get close on battery life, keyboard and weight, yet the MBP is cheaper than those. Go figure.Richard Allen said:
I myself own no apple products except a copy of OSX (cheaper than windows) that I run on my old gaming PC (tri-boot with XP and Mint). For the cost of a MBP I have a kick arse Desktop Computer and a Netbook that gives great battery life and pretty much handles everything I need a portable computer for.
EDIT: If anyone wants to give me their 13" MBP I'll happily take it, the only reason I don't have one is that my budget doesn't stretch that far. Don't bother with the 15" or the 17", too big to be truely portable.
Yeah, Steve probably is an arsehole (never met him, can't honestly say, but most CEOs seem to fit into that category), but you can't really blame a company for objecting when a competitor makes a product that does looks pretty damn similar to one they themselves make. If people have a problem because they don't like the products themselves (and have actually tried them), then that's fine. But so many people just want to hate on something because it seems to be the cool thing to do.Richard Allen said:
To be blunt, I don't hate Apple. I DO hate the Apple CULT. I've used Apple products before, although the only one I currently own is a 1st gen. iPod Touch(got it broken from a friend, fixed it, now I use it to read ebooks.
While the MBP is a decent enough laptop, my current Asus absolutely destroys it in every aspect except battery life, which I don't care about
My cell phone is a Optimus 2x(bought it after Galaxy S2 came out, because Samsung has quite possibly the worst firmware update policy on the planet), and my tablet(and yes, they do have their uses, mostly on planes is an Iconia(that shit be AWESOME, has twice the power of an iPad, for pretty much the same price).
So...
tl;dr
Apple products aren't bad, it's just that other products do it better for same/lower price.
OT:I've got me some personal experience in this area and let me tell you, Apple=Jobs. Minute Jobs leaves/dies/ascends to a higher plane of existence by sucking all the life force of Apple cultists, Apple starts folding. Quickly.
.While the MBP is a decent enough laptop, my current Asus absolutely destroys it in every aspect except battery life, which I don't care about
My cell phone is a Optimus 2x(bought it after Galaxy S2 came out, because Samsung has quite possibly the worst firmware update policy on the planet), and my tablet(and yes, they do have their uses, mostly on planes
is an Iconia(that shit be AWESOME, has twice the power of an iPad, for pretty much the same price).So...
tl;dr
Apple products aren't bad, it's just that other products do it better for same/lower price.
OT:I've got me some personal experience in this area and let me tell you, Apple=Jobs. Minute Jobs leaves/dies/ascends to a higher plane of existence by sucking all the life force of Apple cultists, Apple starts folding. Quickly.
