Stormcloaks are too mainstream.

[Thyunda]

Ah, but imagine Ulfric's military ability, but with the backing of all nine jarls, AND a seat in Solitude. The Thalmor themselves are terrified of this happening. While the Empire and the Stormcloaks are at a stalemate, the Thalmor have a chance. If the Empire win, then Skyrim becomes a vassal of the Dominion. If the Stormcloaks win, Skyrim will be a major pain in the ass for the Thalmor.

Taken from the Thalmor Dossier: Ulfric Stormcloak journal.

There's a problem with this line of reasoning: it was a dossier destined for some head bloke, and you took it. Ergo the Thalmor head people are not entirely aware of the current situation, or of the factions' military potential. Aside from that, anybody in the residence who may have known the contents of the dossier came down with a sudden case of slit throat. This seems to happen frequently wherever my character travels. Not sure if those are related...

So, the Thalmor are not aware of the consequences just yet. To them this is an opportunity to further weaken the empire, and to foster division among the former provinces. A united Skyrim/Cyrodiil is more of a threat to them because of what it represents than two divided, although militarily more powerful factions.

I really like this schism in the game. It is a major improvement from the usual good vs evil...

Except it was Elenwen's dossier, and she's got the power to give out real orders, so I suspect she's in control of Skyrim-based operations. She mentions in the dossier that they have to be careful how much indirect aid they give to the Stormcloaks, because too much leads to a new High King, and a united Skyrim is the last thing the high elves need. I doubt the actual leaders on Summerset Isle care for micromanagement, just so long as Elenwen sends a letter back with some drawings of dead heathens, they'll be happy.

 

[DarkRyter]

I haven't gotten to the point where I have to choose between them, and I hope to never have to choose between them, but if that time does come, I'd choose the empire because everyone on the empire side seems pretty reasonable, like the Jarl of whiterun, and General Tullus, while everyone I've seen that supports the stormcloaks is a racist.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

It seems from the many polls that have been taken on the subject, that most Skyrim players seem to be going with the Stormcloaks, and I can't figure out why. In the following post, I will make four points, after reading, feel free to respond and argue with my points.

1) The White-Gold concordat will surely be broken soon, and it will not be long before war with the Ald'meri Dominion resurfaces. If the Stormcloaks take hold of Skyrim, how can they even hope to defend themselves? The Ald'meri Dominion are an incredibly powerful force, how is a team of rag tag rebels ever going to defend Skyrim, especially after having just emerged from such a costly war?

2) Ulfric Stormcloak cannot run Skyrim. Have you seen Windhelm? The place is a total mess. The entire place is more like a stony slum than a city. The streets are filth ridden and the people are starving. Riften is even worse, the guard know exactly where the thieves guild are hiding, but apparently Ulfric doesn't want to waste reinforcements. He can't even manage his section of Skyrim well enough to eradicate a group of pick pockets. How will he ever run an entire continent of Tamriel?

3) Ulfric is a total manchild, and only cares about power. Main story spoilers coming up.

Spoiler

During the peace treaty with the Imperials, he acted like a child. he kicked up a fuss because he didn't want to be in the same room as a Thalmore, and then proceeded to demand city after city to be surrendered to the Stormcloaks, whilst ranting away at the Imperials with his bile about "true sons of Skyrim". Even in the face of the total destruction of Skyrim, he continued to act like a child, and to furhter his own power.

4) Last, but not least, the Stormcloaks are racist nationalists, that think the fact that they are the "correct" race means that they should be allowed Skyrim, and that other races should not have authority or power, because they aren't the right race. Homeland or no homeland, these guys are basically the Skyrim equivalent of the BNP.

did you finish the stormcloak campaign?

you're just like fox news you know that ?

MASSIVE SPOILER GTFO

1. The stormcloaks are in fact a quite able bodied and organised force, they fight with imperial weapons and imperial silver till the end of their campaign
2.The stormcloaks grant people their freedom if they want to, the only reason the legion's leaders get executed is that they want to die for their cause just the same
3.THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT: Ulfric stormcloak when he wins decides that he will only be busy rebuilding skyrim as unofficial king, he will only accept the title if he is chosen in the moot
4. following up on 3 the stormcloaks start prepping skyrim for war
5. you the dragonborn are part of the stormcloak force, the stormcloaks fight like a trained army, but a trained army using guerilla tactics, their inevitable victory with you on their side in that aspect gives them the best setup to beat a strongly overpowered invader
Let me elaborate on that : the empire is like rome, a big beast of a fighting machine, the stormcloaks are like the british, the germanic tribes, no matter how hard the romans tried they always got beaten into pulp. the only difference is the stormcloaks take the fight to the imperials

Except the Romans conquered Britain and West Europe...I would make more of a comparison to the Picts v Romans or even the Swedes and the Danes, which is a more fitting comparison.

Pardon? the romans got kicked out of britain, and never advanced above nijmegen and the rivers around that lvl in europe

 

[Thyunda]

It seems from the many polls that have been taken on the subject, that most Skyrim players seem to be going with the Stormcloaks, and I can't figure out why. In the following post, I will make four points, after reading, feel free to respond and argue with my points.

1) The White-Gold concordat will surely be broken soon, and it will not be long before war with the Ald'meri Dominion resurfaces. If the Stormcloaks take hold of Skyrim, how can they even hope to defend themselves? The Ald'meri Dominion are an incredibly powerful force, how is a team of rag tag rebels ever going to defend Skyrim, especially after having just emerged from such a costly war?

2) Ulfric Stormcloak cannot run Skyrim. Have you seen Windhelm? The place is a total mess. The entire place is more like a stony slum than a city. The streets are filth ridden and the people are starving. Riften is even worse, the guard know exactly where the thieves guild are hiding, but apparently Ulfric doesn't want to waste reinforcements. He can't even manage his section of Skyrim well enough to eradicate a group of pick pockets. How will he ever run an entire continent of Tamriel?

3) Ulfric is a total manchild, and only cares about power. Main story spoilers coming up.

Spoiler

During the peace treaty with the Imperials, he acted like a child. he kicked up a fuss because he didn't want to be in the same room as a Thalmore, and then proceeded to demand city after city to be surrendered to the Stormcloaks, whilst ranting away at the Imperials with his bile about "true sons of Skyrim". Even in the face of the total destruction of Skyrim, he continued to act like a child, and to furhter his own power.

4) Last, but not least, the Stormcloaks are racist nationalists, that think the fact that they are the "correct" race means that they should be allowed Skyrim, and that other races should not have authority or power, because they aren't the right race. Homeland or no homeland, these guys are basically the Skyrim equivalent of the BNP.

did you finish the stormcloak campaign?

you're just like fox news you know that ?

MASSIVE SPOILER GTFO

1. The stormcloaks are in fact a quite able bodied and organised force, they fight with imperial weapons and imperial silver till the end of their campaign
2.The stormcloaks grant people their freedom if they want to, the only reason the legion's leaders get executed is that they want to die for their cause just the same
3.THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT: Ulfric stormcloak when he wins decides that he will only be busy rebuilding skyrim as unofficial king, he will only accept the title if he is chosen in the moot
4. following up on 3 the stormcloaks start prepping skyrim for war
5. you the dragonborn are part of the stormcloak force, the stormcloaks fight like a trained army, but a trained army using guerilla tactics, their inevitable victory with you on their side in that aspect gives them the best setup to beat a strongly overpowered invader
Let me elaborate on that : the empire is like rome, a big beast of a fighting machine, the stormcloaks are like the british, the germanic tribes, no matter how hard the romans tried they always got beaten into pulp. the only difference is the stormcloaks take the fight to the imperials

Except the Romans conquered Britain and West Europe...I would make more of a comparison to the Picts v Romans or even the Swedes and the Danes, which is a more fitting comparison.

Pardon? the romans got kicked out of britain, and never advanced above nijmegen and the rivers around that lvl in europe

Speaking as an English student of Classical Civilisation, whose entire second year was devoted to studying the Roman influence on Great Britain, I have to tell you. You're very, very wrong. The Romans occupied England, Wales and the Scottish Lowlands with relative ease. Once the druids were wiped out, the Britons fell into line. Hence cities like Bath, Colchester, Cirencester, and places like Caernarvon in Wales. The Romans were never kicked out of Britain, they just left once the Empire started to overstretch.

 

[LordRoyal]

Yeah I sided with the Legion as an Argonian since I saw how uber racist the Stormcloaks were.

The moral ambiguity in the questline is nice, I liked it's twists.

 

[Evil Top Hat]

I must say, the intense political debate about a game is pretty entertaining.

Yes, I'm aware that I'm taking this too seriously, but even if it is just a game, I find it interesting and fun to talk about. I don't actually care hugely about this little debate, I just find it a fun topic to discuss, and video game discussion is what these forums are here for.

you're just like fox news you know that ?

Ouch...

I see your point though, it was wrong of me to condemn from ignorance, as I haven't finished either campaign with either faction. The reason I made this topic was to guide my decision, to get some new points of view that challenge my own.

Obviously the Stormcloaks are organised enough to win, because they nave to be for the purposes of plot progression. The question is what happens after the game, would they really be organised enough to hold onto Skyrim? There's no question that they could beat the Empire, it's the bit that comes afterwards that makes me want to sign up for the Imperial Army.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

It seems from the many polls that have been taken on the subject, that most Skyrim players seem to be going with the Stormcloaks, and I can't figure out why. In the following post, I will make four points, after reading, feel free to respond and argue with my points.

1) The White-Gold concordat will surely be broken soon, and it will not be long before war with the Ald'meri Dominion resurfaces. If the Stormcloaks take hold of Skyrim, how can they even hope to defend themselves? The Ald'meri Dominion are an incredibly powerful force, how is a team of rag tag rebels ever going to defend Skyrim, especially after having just emerged from such a costly war?

2) Ulfric Stormcloak cannot run Skyrim. Have you seen Windhelm? The place is a total mess. The entire place is more like a stony slum than a city. The streets are filth ridden and the people are starving. Riften is even worse, the guard know exactly where the thieves guild are hiding, but apparently Ulfric doesn't want to waste reinforcements. He can't even manage his section of Skyrim well enough to eradicate a group of pick pockets. How will he ever run an entire continent of Tamriel?

3) Ulfric is a total manchild, and only cares about power. Main story spoilers coming up.

Spoiler

During the peace treaty with the Imperials, he acted like a child. he kicked up a fuss because he didn't want to be in the same room as a Thalmore, and then proceeded to demand city after city to be surrendered to the Stormcloaks, whilst ranting away at the Imperials with his bile about "true sons of Skyrim". Even in the face of the total destruction of Skyrim, he continued to act like a child, and to furhter his own power.

4) Last, but not least, the Stormcloaks are racist nationalists, that think the fact that they are the "correct" race means that they should be allowed Skyrim, and that other races should not have authority or power, because they aren't the right race. Homeland or no homeland, these guys are basically the Skyrim equivalent of the BNP.

did you finish the stormcloak campaign?

you're just like fox news you know that ?

MASSIVE SPOILER GTFO

1. The stormcloaks are in fact a quite able bodied and organised force, they fight with imperial weapons and imperial silver till the end of their campaign
2.The stormcloaks grant people their freedom if they want to, the only reason the legion's leaders get executed is that they want to die for their cause just the same
3.THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT: Ulfric stormcloak when he wins decides that he will only be busy rebuilding skyrim as unofficial king, he will only accept the title if he is chosen in the moot
4. following up on 3 the stormcloaks start prepping skyrim for war
5. you the dragonborn are part of the stormcloak force, the stormcloaks fight like a trained army, but a trained army using guerilla tactics, their inevitable victory with you on their side in that aspect gives them the best setup to beat a strongly overpowered invader
Let me elaborate on that : the empire is like rome, a big beast of a fighting machine, the stormcloaks are like the british, the germanic tribes, no matter how hard the romans tried they always got beaten into pulp. the only difference is the stormcloaks take the fight to the imperials

Except the Romans conquered Britain and West Europe...I would make more of a comparison to the Picts v Romans or even the Swedes and the Danes, which is a more fitting comparison.

Pardon? the romans got kicked out of britain, and never advanced above nijmegen and the rivers around that lvl in europe

Speaking as an English student of Classical Civilisation, whose entire second year was devoted to studying the Roman influence on Great Britain, I have to tell you. You're very, very wrong. The Romans occupied England, Wales and the Scottish Lowlands with relative ease. Once the druids were wiped out, the Britons fell into line. Hence cities like Bath, Colchester, Cirencester, and places like Caernarvon in Wales. The Romans were never kicked out of Britain, they just left once the Empire started to overstretch.

Urgh I hate misguiding documentaries

 

[Sordak]

as long as the imperials bow to the elves i will be with the stormcloaks, even if ulfric is not the perfect high king, he is better than the imperials

 

[Rule Britannia]

I see the stormcloaks as hippies, which is why I joined the Empire. The only thing the Empire is doing that is bad (it's a pretty big one though) is depriving skyrim from worshipping Talos which is a real dick move but other than that the stormcloaks are just dumb hippies ¬.¬

 

[Thyunda]

It seems from the many polls that have been taken on the subject, that most Skyrim players seem to be going with the Stormcloaks, and I can't figure out why. In the following post, I will make four points, after reading, feel free to respond and argue with my points.

1) The White-Gold concordat will surely be broken soon, and it will not be long before war with the Ald'meri Dominion resurfaces. If the Stormcloaks take hold of Skyrim, how can they even hope to defend themselves? The Ald'meri Dominion are an incredibly powerful force, how is a team of rag tag rebels ever going to defend Skyrim, especially after having just emerged from such a costly war?

2) Ulfric Stormcloak cannot run Skyrim. Have you seen Windhelm? The place is a total mess. The entire place is more like a stony slum than a city. The streets are filth ridden and the people are starving. Riften is even worse, the guard know exactly where the thieves guild are hiding, but apparently Ulfric doesn't want to waste reinforcements. He can't even manage his section of Skyrim well enough to eradicate a group of pick pockets. How will he ever run an entire continent of Tamriel?

3) Ulfric is a total manchild, and only cares about power. Main story spoilers coming up.

Spoiler

During the peace treaty with the Imperials, he acted like a child. he kicked up a fuss because he didn't want to be in the same room as a Thalmore, and then proceeded to demand city after city to be surrendered to the Stormcloaks, whilst ranting away at the Imperials with his bile about "true sons of Skyrim". Even in the face of the total destruction of Skyrim, he continued to act like a child, and to furhter his own power.

4) Last, but not least, the Stormcloaks are racist nationalists, that think the fact that they are the "correct" race means that they should be allowed Skyrim, and that other races should not have authority or power, because they aren't the right race. Homeland or no homeland, these guys are basically the Skyrim equivalent of the BNP.

did you finish the stormcloak campaign?

you're just like fox news you know that ?

MASSIVE SPOILER GTFO

1. The stormcloaks are in fact a quite able bodied and organised force, they fight with imperial weapons and imperial silver till the end of their campaign
2.The stormcloaks grant people their freedom if they want to, the only reason the legion's leaders get executed is that they want to die for their cause just the same
3.THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT: Ulfric stormcloak when he wins decides that he will only be busy rebuilding skyrim as unofficial king, he will only accept the title if he is chosen in the moot
4. following up on 3 the stormcloaks start prepping skyrim for war
5. you the dragonborn are part of the stormcloak force, the stormcloaks fight like a trained army, but a trained army using guerilla tactics, their inevitable victory with you on their side in that aspect gives them the best setup to beat a strongly overpowered invader
Let me elaborate on that : the empire is like rome, a big beast of a fighting machine, the stormcloaks are like the british, the germanic tribes, no matter how hard the romans tried they always got beaten into pulp. the only difference is the stormcloaks take the fight to the imperials

Except the Romans conquered Britain and West Europe...I would make more of a comparison to the Picts v Romans or even the Swedes and the Danes, which is a more fitting comparison.

Pardon? the romans got kicked out of britain, and never advanced above nijmegen and the rivers around that lvl in europe

Speaking as an English student of Classical Civilisation, whose entire second year was devoted to studying the Roman influence on Great Britain, I have to tell you. You're very, very wrong. The Romans occupied England, Wales and the Scottish Lowlands with relative ease. Once the druids were wiped out, the Britons fell into line. Hence cities like Bath, Colchester, Cirencester, and places like Caernarvon in Wales. The Romans were never kicked out of Britain, they just left once the Empire started to overstretch.

Urgh I hate misguiding documentaries

Is that an argument at me or a justification for your own lack of subject knowledge? If it's the former, I also should point out I live in Lindum Colonia, the Roman fort of Lincoln. If it's the latter, then I will cease all hostilities, because you cannot be blamed for the inaccuracy of the source you were given.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I chose Stormcloaks, after all, I am a Nord, I see the big, bloated, weak, failing, elf tools over there, or the Nords, fighting for their own land, the right to their beliefs, and fighting an influx through the Empire's outposts of Altmer constantly funneling in war materials, if we don't close the gap Skyrim is lost, letting the Empire stay, is like leaving a gaping hole in a boat, and saying "It was built that way, so it should stay that way!" and letting the boat sink the moment it leaves shallow waters.

All this talk about a united empire being stronger, PAH you think a united empire is stronger only due to numbers and the security therein, not realizing that a "United" empire is so full of holes, already entirely subjugated entirely by the elves, if Skyrim goes to the empire, and the war resumes, every outpost in Skyrim will have an elven presense in it already, and BAM war over! with the stormcloaks we prepare for war, we see the dominion cast out entirely, and when the elves decide to try and fight us, let them come! At least this way they'll hafta come in from outside skyrim, not already have a foothold of serious strength in place from the get go!

Not to mention, who wants to be part of the legion, they all look the same, they rarely get any recognition, and they've REJECTED their roots!


All the silly in character nationalism aside, I do think the empire is the worst possible choice, everything they stand for at this point is broken, their system is falling apart.
I mean, being forced to reject one of your gods "Because he was a mere human!" is pretty big racist bs on the Dominion side of stuff, it's like saying if you aren't altmer you aren't worthy of godhood, so we'll just pretend you didn't happen...

 

[Zenode]

Has NOBODY read the journal you get while

Spoiler

Infiltarting the Thalmor embassy, seriously it explicitly states that Ulfric is being used to drum up a war so that the empire is weakened enough that the Ald'meri can just run over them with ease, he is being used as a puppet indirectly. If you go to solitude and speak with the wife of the dead high king her and everyone around her says that while they DID fight in one on one combat, Ulfric literally made him explode by shouting at him and that the High King WOULD have declared independence if Ulfric basically just asked him.

After all that I just joined the legion because it just sounded like Ulfric is literally a giant dick.

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

I must say, the intense political debate about a game is pretty entertaining.

Yes, I'm aware that I'm taking this too seriously, but even if it is just a game, I find it interesting and fun to talk about. I don't actually care hugely about this little debate, I just find it a fun topic to discuss, and video game discussion is what these forums are here for.

you're just like fox news you know that ?

Ouch...

I see your point though, it was wrong of me to condemn from ignorance, as I haven't finished either campaign with either faction. The reason I made this topic was to guide my decision, to get some new points of view that challenge my own.

Obviously the Stormcloaks are organised enough to win, because they nave to be for the purposes of plot progression. The question is what happens after the game, would they really be organised enough to hold onto Skyrim? There's no question that they could beat the Empire, it's the bit that comes afterwards that makes me want to sign up for the Imperial Army.

even whilst the imperials have thalmor delegates in every town they live in?
When I went into markarth I heard and learned of the vile plot that was trying to play out the imperium and skyrim against eachother to then take over both

That made me grasp my stormcloak uniform firmer than it did before

That and the silver bloods, who are jackasses by default, made a good point of plainly taking over the town for the stormcloaks while leaving every rule in tact, BUT WITH GOOD REASON
I can't remember exactly but the conversation between the jarl and the leader of the silverblood family intrigued me thus that I enjoyed following it and shape my opinions to it as such


But each to their own, maybe it would turn out alright

 

[M-E-D The Poet]

It seems from the many polls that have been taken on the subject, that most Skyrim players seem to be going with the Stormcloaks, and I can't figure out why. In the following post, I will make four points, after reading, feel free to respond and argue with my points.

1) The White-Gold concordat will surely be broken soon, and it will not be long before war with the Ald'meri Dominion resurfaces. If the Stormcloaks take hold of Skyrim, how can they even hope to defend themselves? The Ald'meri Dominion are an incredibly powerful force, how is a team of rag tag rebels ever going to defend Skyrim, especially after having just emerged from such a costly war?

2) Ulfric Stormcloak cannot run Skyrim. Have you seen Windhelm? The place is a total mess. The entire place is more like a stony slum than a city. The streets are filth ridden and the people are starving. Riften is even worse, the guard know exactly where the thieves guild are hiding, but apparently Ulfric doesn't want to waste reinforcements. He can't even manage his section of Skyrim well enough to eradicate a group of pick pockets. How will he ever run an entire continent of Tamriel?

3) Ulfric is a total manchild, and only cares about power. Main story spoilers coming up.

Spoiler

During the peace treaty with the Imperials, he acted like a child. he kicked up a fuss because he didn't want to be in the same room as a Thalmore, and then proceeded to demand city after city to be surrendered to the Stormcloaks, whilst ranting away at the Imperials with his bile about "true sons of Skyrim". Even in the face of the total destruction of Skyrim, he continued to act like a child, and to furhter his own power.

4) Last, but not least, the Stormcloaks are racist nationalists, that think the fact that they are the "correct" race means that they should be allowed Skyrim, and that other races should not have authority or power, because they aren't the right race. Homeland or no homeland, these guys are basically the Skyrim equivalent of the BNP.

did you finish the stormcloak campaign?

you're just like fox news you know that ?

MASSIVE SPOILER GTFO

1. The stormcloaks are in fact a quite able bodied and organised force, they fight with imperial weapons and imperial silver till the end of their campaign
2.The stormcloaks grant people their freedom if they want to, the only reason the legion's leaders get executed is that they want to die for their cause just the same
3.THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT: Ulfric stormcloak when he wins decides that he will only be busy rebuilding skyrim as unofficial king, he will only accept the title if he is chosen in the moot
4. following up on 3 the stormcloaks start prepping skyrim for war
5. you the dragonborn are part of the stormcloak force, the stormcloaks fight like a trained army, but a trained army using guerilla tactics, their inevitable victory with you on their side in that aspect gives them the best setup to beat a strongly overpowered invader
Let me elaborate on that : the empire is like rome, a big beast of a fighting machine, the stormcloaks are like the british, the germanic tribes, no matter how hard the romans tried they always got beaten into pulp. the only difference is the stormcloaks take the fight to the imperials

Except the Romans conquered Britain and West Europe...I would make more of a comparison to the Picts v Romans or even the Swedes and the Danes, which is a more fitting comparison.

Pardon? the romans got kicked out of britain, and never advanced above nijmegen and the rivers around that lvl in europe

Speaking as an English student of Classical Civilisation, whose entire second year was devoted to studying the Roman influence on Great Britain, I have to tell you. You're very, very wrong. The Romans occupied England, Wales and the Scottish Lowlands with relative ease. Once the druids were wiped out, the Britons fell into line. Hence cities like Bath, Colchester, Cirencester, and places like Caernarvon in Wales. The Romans were never kicked out of Britain, they just left once the Empire started to overstretch.

Urgh I hate misguiding documentaries

Is that an argument at me or a justification for your own lack of subject knowledge? If it's the former, I also should point out I live in Lindum Colonia, the Roman fort of Lincoln. If it's the latter, then I will cease all hostilities, because you cannot be blamed for the inaccuracy of the source you were given.

the latter , so I apologize

 

[LordRoyal]

Obviously the Stormcloaks are organised enough to win, because they nave to be for the purposes of plot progression. The question is what happens after the game, would they really be organised enough to hold onto Skyrim? There's no question that they could beat the Empire, it's the bit that comes afterwards that makes me want to sign up for the Imperial Army.

With the Empire controlling trade in and out of Skyrim to the south, east and west all they would need to do is cut Skyrim off from trade. Eventually it's infrastructure would fail and they would lose all of the benefits that come from being apart of an Empire

And Skyrim isn't even the original Nord homeland they took it from the original inhabitants. They are originally from another continent north of Tamriel.

You can't get north of Tamriel, that's like going north of Earth. But I think I get what you mean.

Tamriel is only one continent on the planet called Nirn that the Elder Scrolls exists on. The planet also has the alternate dimension of Oblivion which the Daedra live on.

Nirn has more continents then Tamriel. Tamriel is just the only one you explore in the games, and the only one that's currently mapped out very well. The rest contain warlike tribes or terrible monsters. The biggest being the Akivari who regularly send out troops attempting to conquer the Empire.

In Oblivion it was also stated the Nerevarine went to Akivari on an expedition.

 

[ICantBelieveItGoesBoom]

Anyone else here read the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric?

Spoiler

He is a puppet for the Thalmor, they're using him to cripple the Empire so that the Thalmor can rush in unchallenged and defeat the whole empire. It says it plainly that he is an agent for them.

I was going to join the Stormcloaks until I saw that then I went striaght the Solitude once the quest was complete.

 

[Thyunda]

It seems from the many polls that have been taken on the subject, that most Skyrim players seem to be going with the Stormcloaks, and I can't figure out why. In the following post, I will make four points, after reading, feel free to respond and argue with my points.

1) The White-Gold concordat will surely be broken soon, and it will not be long before war with the Ald'meri Dominion resurfaces. If the Stormcloaks take hold of Skyrim, how can they even hope to defend themselves? The Ald'meri Dominion are an incredibly powerful force, how is a team of rag tag rebels ever going to defend Skyrim, especially after having just emerged from such a costly war?

2) Ulfric Stormcloak cannot run Skyrim. Have you seen Windhelm? The place is a total mess. The entire place is more like a stony slum than a city. The streets are filth ridden and the people are starving. Riften is even worse, the guard know exactly where the thieves guild are hiding, but apparently Ulfric doesn't want to waste reinforcements. He can't even manage his section of Skyrim well enough to eradicate a group of pick pockets. How will he ever run an entire continent of Tamriel?

3) Ulfric is a total manchild, and only cares about power. Main story spoilers coming up.

Spoiler

During the peace treaty with the Imperials, he acted like a child. he kicked up a fuss because he didn't want to be in the same room as a Thalmore, and then proceeded to demand city after city to be surrendered to the Stormcloaks, whilst ranting away at the Imperials with his bile about "true sons of Skyrim". Even in the face of the total destruction of Skyrim, he continued to act like a child, and to furhter his own power.

4) Last, but not least, the Stormcloaks are racist nationalists, that think the fact that they are the "correct" race means that they should be allowed Skyrim, and that other races should not have authority or power, because they aren't the right race. Homeland or no homeland, these guys are basically the Skyrim equivalent of the BNP.

did you finish the stormcloak campaign?

you're just like fox news you know that ?

MASSIVE SPOILER GTFO

1. The stormcloaks are in fact a quite able bodied and organised force, they fight with imperial weapons and imperial silver till the end of their campaign
2.The stormcloaks grant people their freedom if they want to, the only reason the legion's leaders get executed is that they want to die for their cause just the same
3.THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT: Ulfric stormcloak when he wins decides that he will only be busy rebuilding skyrim as unofficial king, he will only accept the title if he is chosen in the moot
4. following up on 3 the stormcloaks start prepping skyrim for war
5. you the dragonborn are part of the stormcloak force, the stormcloaks fight like a trained army, but a trained army using guerilla tactics, their inevitable victory with you on their side in that aspect gives them the best setup to beat a strongly overpowered invader
Let me elaborate on that : the empire is like rome, a big beast of a fighting machine, the stormcloaks are like the british, the germanic tribes, no matter how hard the romans tried they always got beaten into pulp. the only difference is the stormcloaks take the fight to the imperials

Except the Romans conquered Britain and West Europe...I would make more of a comparison to the Picts v Romans or even the Swedes and the Danes, which is a more fitting comparison.

Pardon? the romans got kicked out of britain, and never advanced above nijmegen and the rivers around that lvl in europe

Speaking as an English student of Classical Civilisation, whose entire second year was devoted to studying the Roman influence on Great Britain, I have to tell you. You're very, very wrong. The Romans occupied England, Wales and the Scottish Lowlands with relative ease. Once the druids were wiped out, the Britons fell into line. Hence cities like Bath, Colchester, Cirencester, and places like Caernarvon in Wales. The Romans were never kicked out of Britain, they just left once the Empire started to overstretch.

Urgh I hate misguiding documentaries

Is that an argument at me or a justification for your own lack of subject knowledge? If it's the former, I also should point out I live in Lindum Colonia, the Roman fort of Lincoln. If it's the latter, then I will cease all hostilities, because you cannot be blamed for the inaccuracy of the source you were given.

the latter , so I apologize

Is alright. A lot of documentaries seem to be very pro-British...despite the Roman occupation was an excellent example of British apathy.

 

[Irridium]

so,

Spoiler

i actually freed the forsworn king from that mine on my lizard paladin.. i'm not quite sure what repercussions that will have yet!
( they already took one city ) it's going to cause big aaa problems isn't it..

yah, my whole post is a spoiler! lol

Same here, but for me...

Spoiler

I actually killed Madanoch and most of the others right when I broke out. I saw the situation as a "break out on your own, going through caves full of unknown dangers" or "do that with a group of meatshields". So I went with the second option, which was a good choice considering the dwenmer robots that you run encounter.

So right when I got out and got my items back, I killed most of them including Madanoch. And... none of them attacked me back. Even when I found the camp the few survivors went to, they didn't seem to mind me there.

So yeah, there's that. Not sure if I broke the game since no city has been taken, or anything different happened. What was supposed to happen after they broke out? Do they take Markath? Because they didn't in my game.

err.. so yah...

Spoiler

they do indeed, mass slaughtering ensues they just tear the town apart and sack it but whatever you do don't attack the guards they're fighting.. oh word that gets messy.
they gave me some good mage items, but i'm too far warrior / paladin build to change now.

.. /whistles..

basically pick your allies well i guess is all i can say!

Did they do it right after they broke out, or after a set amount of time?

Because if it's supposed to happen right after, then yeah I think I might have broken it...

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I sided with Stormcloaks because I thought I was doing the right thing. I regret it. So I started a new game with a Dunmer.

 

[Outcast107]

Anyone else here read the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric?

Spoiler

He is a puppet for the Thalmor, they're using him to cripple the Empire so that the Thalmor can rush in unchallenged and defeat the whole empire. It says it plainly that he is an agent for them.

I was going to join the Stormcloaks until I saw that then I went striaght the Solitude once the quest was complete.

Just want to say your a bit confuse. He not working for them just a mere tool they have hopes that he keep fighting and drawing out the fight against the Empire. They also don't want one side to win as they said a Independent Skyrim is still pretty bad on their list.

Also your still helping the Thalmor by siding with the Empire. Who let them in the first place to build outposts?