Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid

[Lilani]

I always take my politically-related news with a grain of salt, no matter what network I get it from. In fact, I tend to grab the whole shaker. No news outlet is trustworthy. If I want information on anything of that sort, I go to statistics and reports that are just straight facts.

In other news, if most everybody here gets their way and Fox News is somehow forced out of existence, can we get rid of Nancy Grace while we're at it? She has less journalistic integrity than anybody on Fox, CNN, or freaking TMZ. She never fails to completely belittle the authority anybody on her show by never giving them the chance to say anything that might disprove or refute her opinion. Her antics are completely ridiculous and, at best, an insulting disgrace to investigative reporting and reporting on justice-related cases in general.

 

[Free Thinker]

Even in the U.S. I watched the BBC because it was more unbiased than the crap that's shoved forcefully into our eyes and ears. But then Comcast refused me my BBC channel unless I payed more. Heartless bastards.

 

[Saltyk]

1) 91 percent believe the stimulus legislation lost jobs
2) 72 percent believe the health reform law will increase the deficit
3) 72 percent believe the economy is getting worse
4) 60 percent believe climate change is not occurring
5) 49 percent believe income taxes have gone up
6) 63 percent believe the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts
7) 56 percent believe Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout
8) 38 percent believe that most Republicans opposed TARP
9) 63 percent believe Obama was not born in the U.S. (or that it is unclear)

Oh wait, 1 is still not clear; 2 is true (how can government run healthcare not cost more money?); 3 is opinion; 4 is opinion; 5 is they might if they don't re-approve the Bush tax cuts; 6 was never made clear, but it did; 7 is I don't know, but his administration did; 8 is I don't know again; 9 never was made clear.

And every news channel is biased. Fox is pretty much the only one pro-republican. The rest are leftist.

No. nonono.

1. is measuarble. It has. 3.3 million of them.
2. the healthcare bill includes spending offsets, and is actually budgeted to reduce the deficit by 138 billion.
3. question of fact, not opinion. By all economicmeasures, the economy is recovering.
4. also a question of fact. climate change is occurring.
5. taxes have been reduced for the overwhelming majority of ameircans.
6. it did, and it was made clear.
7. Bush Did.
8. the bush admuinistration got it rolling.
9. his birth certificate is all over the goddamn internet.

-m

OK, I'd just like to put my 2 cents in.

1) I do believe this is up in the air. How many millions of jobs were lost? Last I heard, unemployment was hovering around 10% nationally just a few months ago. Some areas like Detroit have been hit far worse. Whether the stimulus created or even saved jobs is debatable. Most economists do agree that it would have been worse without the stimulus, but few argue that it created jobs. Also, I confess that I'm unsure, but I thought the stimulus was supposed to take place over a series of years. So I don't believe that it is actually done.
In the end, people are concerned with results that they can see. My own mother has been out of work for over a year. I have friends that are currently unemployed. To most people, THAT is what matters. Until those people have jobs, they don't care.
One other thing. It is a fact that jobs were lost after the stimulus was passed, so it is not 100% incorrect to say that the stimulus lost jobs as jobs were lost. It may not be correct, but I wouldn't say that it is wrong.
2) I'd point out that the Congressional Budget Office estimated that it would reduce the deficit by 1.2 trillion dollars by the second decade. They don't usually make estimates beyond a ten year period, but did so at the request of lawmakers. Personally, I believe a healthy skepticism is deserved.
3) I agree, the economy is getting better. But like I said earlier, most people don't want you to assure them that the economy is getting better with spreadsheets and facts. They want to see their unemployed friends and spouses go to work. Something that might take a while.
4) Fact: Global temperatures have increased. Global climate is undergoing a change. That my friend is all we agree on. You can't deny that temperatures have risen. I question whether it is man made or natural. It wasn't that long ago that they were talking about Global Cooling. I also understand, that no meteorologist has looked at whether or not recent activity on the Sun might have some effect. I do not know whether this is true, but I would hope not. Once more, I feel some healthy skepticism is deserved.
To be fair, I do think we need to look for better sources of energy. That we need to look into alternative sources of energy like solar, wind, and maybe nuclear (though I am wary of that one), and possibly even ones that no one has suggested. I feel that creating engines with better fuel economy is better for us in the long run. Also, developing cleaner production methods would benefit us as a whole.
5) I'm unaware of any tax increases. In fact, I believe they just extended the Bush tax cuts. So, I'm going to agree with you here.
6) Once more, you are correct. I remember reading about that.
7) You are correct, sir.
8) Once more Bush started TARP, but I am not sure how much support they had for this. If memory serves, I believe that an initial vote failed because many republicans voted against it. Though, I think it was mostly due to Nancy Pelosi berating the entire Republican caucus including Bush, and they voted against it largely due to her. A very sad tale all around that showed the entire Congress acting like children.
9) Yes, Obama was born in the U.S. That's 100% true. But much like the "Truthers" who believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by the U.S. government, some people are just fucking crazy. Actually, who is more crazy, truthers or birthers?

 

[TeeBs]

Whos up for a terrorist fist bump.

 

[Rainboq]

3. Climate change is happening yes. No, no we don't know why or for how long.

No, scientists have it pretty much figured out right now.

What we aren't sure of is how to correct for it properly.

 

[FlyAwayAutumn]

"That was quite excellently put, then again adding numbers make everything fancy by about 100%."
^-^

Alright I'll bite.

What's with the "quotation marks" you've got in every single one of your posts?

 

[ViaticalTarsier]

No. nonono.

1. is measuarble. It has. 3.3 million of them.
2. the healthcare bill includes spending offsets, and is actually budgeted to reduce the deficit by 138 billion.
3. question of fact, not opinion. By all economicmeasures, the economy is recovering.
4. also a question of fact. climate change is occurring.
5. taxes have been reduced for the overwhelming majority of ameircans.
6. it did, and it was made clear.
7. Bush Did.
8. the bush admuinistration got it rolling.
9. his birth certificate is all over the goddamn internet.

-m

Just to point a few things out.

1. 91% of people probably believe that the stimulus lost jobs because the jobless rate has continued to increase. The 3.3mil saved or created is disputable depending on what you look at.

2. It is going to increase the deficit....... after 10 years it skyrockets in cost. Its currently budget neutral because the tax changes start right away while the rest of the changes are spread out through the next 10years.

3. Same thing as number 1. It's hard for people to believe that the econ is recovering when jobless rates are still rising and economic uncertainty is running rampant.

5. yup that 30$ bucks a month sure is helping so much. Too bad health insurance cost is going up, as my company is now taking and additional 40$ a paycheck thanks to the increase in insurance cost due "healthcare reform"

Not sure how the rest can be attributed to Fox directly....... I think people are overlooking the cause for the stats provided by this study.

 

[smithy_2045]

Even if Fox News is unreliable at best, this does not mean that watching Fox makes anyone stupid.

 

[godfist88]

i beleave propaganda in general makes you stupid.

on that note, i think glen beck is full of himself.

 

[My name is Fiction]

"That was quite excellently put, then again adding numbers make everything fancy by about 100%."
^-^

Alright I'll bite.

What's with the "quotation marks" you've got in every single one of your posts?

You bite it MUHAHAHAHA

*stroking beard, thinking of an EVIL plot*

"Anything that is not in quotation marks is what I am thinking but would not acualy say, it make my conversations very colorful." ^-^

 

[Anarchemitis]

Ha!

Knew it

Indeed. Let us toast our correct preconceptions.

 

[Spacewolf]

No. nonono.

1. is measuarble. It has. 3.3 million of them.
2. the healthcare bill includes spending offsets, and is actually budgeted to reduce the deficit by 138 billion.
3. question of fact, not opinion. By all economicmeasures, the economy is recovering.
4. also a question of fact. climate change is occurring.
5. taxes have been reduced for the overwhelming majority of ameircans.
6. it did, and it was made clear.
7. Bush Did.
8. the bush admuinistration got it rolling.
9. his birth certificate is all over the goddamn internet.

-m

Just to point a few things out.

1. 91% of people probably believe that the stimulus lost jobs because the jobless rate has continued to increase. The 3.3mil saved or created is disputable depending on what you look at.

2. It is going to increase the deficit....... after 10 years it skyrockets in cost. Its currently budget neutral because the tax changes start right away while the rest of the changes are spread out through the next 10years.

3. Same thing as number 1. It's hard for people to believe that the econ is recovering when jobless rates are still rising and economic uncertainty is running rampant.

5. yup that 30$ bucks a month sure is helping so much. Too bad health insurance cost is going up, as my company is now taking and additional 40$ a paycheck thanks to the increase in insurance cost due "healthcare reform"

Not sure how the rest can be attributed to Fox directly....... I think people are overlooking the cause for the stats provided by this study.

wait 5 doesnt even make sense they shouldnt be taking any money since you shouldnt need insurance

 

[Gaz6231]

See this guy?
This guy owns News International, which in turn owns FOX News, as well as most of the major newspapers in the UK. This one man is responsible for what essentially the entire civilised world thinks or believes.

His name is Rupert Murdoch, and he is a massive dick. A massive dick for sale.

 

[ViaticalTarsier]

No. nonono.

1. is measuarble. It has. 3.3 million of them.
2. the healthcare bill includes spending offsets, and is actually budgeted to reduce the deficit by 138 billion.
3. question of fact, not opinion. By all economicmeasures, the economy is recovering.
4. also a question of fact. climate change is occurring.
5. taxes have been reduced for the overwhelming majority of ameircans.
6. it did, and it was made clear.
7. Bush Did.
8. the bush admuinistration got it rolling.
9. his birth certificate is all over the goddamn internet.

-m

Just to point a few things out.

1. 91% of people probably believe that the stimulus lost jobs because the jobless rate has continued to increase. The 3.3mil saved or created is disputable depending on what you look at.

2. It is going to increase the deficit....... after 10 years it skyrockets in cost. Its currently budget neutral because the tax changes start right away while the rest of the changes are spread out through the next 10years.

3. Same thing as number 1. It's hard for people to believe that the econ is recovering when jobless rates are still rising and economic uncertainty is running rampant.

5. yup that 30$ bucks a month sure is helping so much. Too bad health insurance cost is going up, as my company is now taking and additional 40$ a paycheck thanks to the increase in insurance cost due "healthcare reform"

Not sure how the rest can be attributed to Fox directly....... I think people are overlooking the cause for the stats provided by this study.

wait 5 doesnt even make sense they shouldnt be taking any money since you shouldnt need insurance

The healthcare reform isn't government provided healthcare. You are forced to buy insurance (which is unlawful) and it forces insurance companies to accept everyone including those with pre existing conditions. So to cover the increased cost, insurance companies are forced to charge higher rates.

 

[chris11246]

No. nonono.

1. is measuarble. It has. 3.3 million of them.
2. the healthcare bill includes spending offsets, and is actually budgeted to reduce the deficit by 138 billion.
3. question of fact, not opinion. By all economicmeasures, the economy is recovering.
4. also a question of fact. climate change is occurring.
5. taxes have been reduced for the overwhelming majority of ameircans.
6. it did, and it was made clear.
7. Bush Did.
8. the bush admuinistration got it rolling.
9. his birth certificate is all over the goddamn internet.

-m

Just to point a few things out.

1. 91% of people probably believe that the stimulus lost jobs because the jobless rate has continued to increase. The 3.3mil saved or created is disputable depending on what you look at.

2. It is going to increase the deficit....... after 10 years it skyrockets in cost. Its currently budget neutral because the tax changes start right away while the rest of the changes are spread out through the next 10years.

3. Same thing as number 1. It's hard for people to believe that the econ is recovering when jobless rates are still rising and economic uncertainty is running rampant.

5. yup that 30$ bucks a month sure is helping so much. Too bad health insurance cost is going up, as my company is now taking and additional 40$ a paycheck thanks to the increase in insurance cost due "healthcare reform"

Not sure how the rest can be attributed to Fox directly....... I think people are overlooking the cause for the stats provided by this study.

wait 5 doesnt even make sense they shouldnt be taking any money since you shouldnt need insurance

As ViaticalTarsier said the healthcare requires everyone to get healthcare it doesnt give them it. Also my mom owns a small business that will not be able to support healthcare for its employees. The store simply doesnt make enough money but from what I hear if she doesnt she will be fined, or taxed more, which could put her out of business resulting in more jobs lost. This is apparently only a problem for small businesses because I've heard that walmart has gotten out of having to do anything the bill says because they're big enough to oppose it.

Also with what Matt said about climate change. The problem I have is that this survay could have been worded so that people were saying no to human caused climate change but they just posted climate change in general. So they might not be that wrong, I'm still not convinced we are having a major impact, not that it cant be lessened, but theres a lot of natural sources of greenhouse gasses like volcanoes and other things.

And a lot of these things are based on opinions which cant really be considered wrong and stupid, and this is irresponsible for saying so.

 

[friedo.obrain]

2. Those things are mostly opinions, the long term economic consequences of a stimulus package are unpredictable. You're probably left wing politically, you're assuming subjective opinions are objectively wrong because you don't like the source and you're assuming that the viewers are stupid when in fact they've been misled for the same reason.

3. Climate change is happening yes. No, no we don't know why or for how long.

False and False.

Job gains directly tracable to the stimulus package have already been measured and reported, and yes, they are gains. Long term, that could, theoretically change, but considering the US is coming out of a recession, not going into one, It's unlikely to suddenly result in massive job losses directly attributable to the stimulus package. Long and short, The Stim. Pack. worked, if not quite as effectively as everyone hoped.

Regarding climate change, We know it's happening, we know pretty much exactly how long it's been happening, and we know with a very high degree of certainty what causes it. Anything else you've heard is spin.

significant increases in temperature have been recorded since the dawn of the industrial age, with two of the hottest years in the historical record happening in the last decade, despite a reduction in the energy output of the sun. Climate change correlates almost perfectly with human activity, and while they haven't ruled out the fact that there might be some other conflating variable, or a simple coincidence going on - there is a not insignificant amount of evidence suggesting that it was caused by humans.


The fact of the matter is that almost none of those figures above are opinion or unquantifiable.

?91 percent believe the stimulus legislation lost jobs - As of August 2010, the stimulus bill was estimated to have created 3.3 million jobs. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-25/obama-s-economic-stimulus-program-created-up-to-3-3-million-jobs-cbo-says.html]

?72 percent believe the health reform law will increase the deficit - The health reform bill is budgeted to reduce the national deficit by 138 billion [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61O4NV20100318].

?72 percent believe the economy is getting worse - Recession is over (at least, by definition) [http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1214727320091012]

?60 percent believe climate change is not occurring - it is [http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/]

?49 percent believe income taxes have gone up - they didn't [http://taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/Content/PDF/T09-0101.pdf]

?63 percent believe the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts - it did. [http://thefinancebuff.com/tax-cuts-in-stimulus-bill-updated.html]

?56 percent believe Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout - that was Bush [http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/12/20081219.html], December 19, 2008

?38 percent believe that most Republicans opposed TARP - this is the ONLY claim I'm having difficulty verifying.

?63 percent believe Obama was not born in the U.S. (or that it is unclear) - /facepalm [http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html]

-m

Thanks for giving us sources for those I TRULY could not believe he was american until now

You realize the same could be said by a Republican about CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc. It's difference of opinion. Fox is Anti-Obama, everywhere else is Pro-Obama (or it certainly seems that way). This "study" is nothing more than bias meant to spite those who work for the company, and who dare to offer a differing opinion to that of the extremely left-wing dems that run the administration. Quite frankly whatever new service you listen to will have a biased opinion because news is reported on by people. And those people who wright the reports add their bias and opinion to the piece. You say Fox can't be trusted. I say MSNBC can't be either.

Dude, i'm european and i assure you: Democrats haven't been left wing in a few decades... Only now have they started taking a few small steps in that direction

 

[Littlee300]

I am not old enough to vote so I will just sit in my corner and snap at anyone who says global warming is am myt-

Whos up for a terrorist fist bump.

*slightly twitches in not knowing to laugh or be offended*

 

[KuwaSanjuro]

What Fox News produces is known as Yellow Journalism which presents news through exaggerated headlines and presents little evidence or sources to supports its views. The media has shown so many times that it is capable of presenting the truth, truthfully. Edward Murrow in the 1950's went up against McCarthy-ism during the time whose Communist paranoia is so much like Fox's own paranoia of all governmental actions. But Murrow said that he would not attack McCarthy deciding that he would never insult him and instead present he would never present a biased view of McCarthy instead present simply the facts of him to show McCarthy's ignorance. Sorry bout the long post but I just think its sad that Fox News is what Murrow fought to defend.

 

[GenericPCUser]

Between Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert I have no need for another news source.