Suicide Squad - Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?

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I enjoyed it.

Many critics didn't enjoy it. That's fine and their opinion. They're entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.

It's fine to disagree on opinions.
 

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fluxy100 said:
Can anyone answer me one question about the movie? Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team? She doesn't have powers, she's a decent level acrobat and that's about it, and she brings multiple maladies and instabilities into a team. Harley actively makes a team worse for her being in there. I feel like the only reason she's in the team is "Hey she's related to joker and that's the only batman villain people know so put her in"
Have you actually read the Suicide Squad comic books? Let's just start with that...
 

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So... It's going to be harder to convince others to watch this movie with me... especially in theaters...

Other than that, since I haven't seen any [legit] version of BvS, I can feel the disappointment "after" instead of "before"! :p
 

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fluxy100 said:
Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team?
Because she's willing to wear hotpants that are sucked so far up her butt you'd think her sphincter was a Hoover.

Samtemdo8 said:
Right now I don't know whom to believe anymore:
Do what most people do, and believe the people who affirm your preconceptions.
 

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The review is actually pretty accurate; it's a very middling-quality movie with some exceptional character acting and some really awful, cringe-inducing editing.

As for why we'd care about DC's franchise...well, I actually liked Batman v Superman. And Suicide Squad failing to take off makes it less likely that I'll see a Wonder Woman trilogy and an Affleck-directed Batman solo film. So if I had to answer "why do we care," it's because we're keen to see the characters on screen and because there was stuff we actually really liked (Wonder Woman) that they haven't fucked up yet.

You know, the whole thing is like watching a guy trying to make love to a beautiful woman, only every time he lines his Johnson up it slips to the side, and every time he gets a good rhythm going it slides out, and all the while there's a huge studio audience booing every time he fucks it up, and ten feet away there's an adult film shooting and the performers are doing all kinds of acrobatics you wouldn't think a human penis could endure.

The porn star is Marvel, in this analogy.

Solkard said:
So is it the first or second act that's weak? Because different reviews seem to have different opinions on that part. Could it be that it was just composed of too many different segments, that there was too little crossover in appeal?
Mostly the first. I felt it improved in the second act, when the squad actually gets together and starts doing stuff. The entire first act is pseudo-edgy exposition that clumsily sets up every character in the film.

Some reviews I read actually had the opposite opinion; that only the first act was worth watching, and the rest was standard superhero fare. Maybe I'm wrong; or maybe those reviewers are dumb, and they need to go to stupid person jail for first-degree ignorance.

fluxy100 said:
Can anyone answer me one question about the movie? Why on earth would anyone put Harley in the team? She doesn't have powers, she's a decent level acrobat and that's about it, and she brings multiple maladies and instabilities into a team. Harley actively makes a team worse for her being in there. I feel like the only reason she's in the team is "Hey she's related to joker and that's the only batman villain people know so put her in"
In a lot of appearances, Harley is the Joker's muscle, in that she fights Batman for him while he escapes. Anyone who fisticuffs with Batman on a semi-regular basis probably deserves to be on the team.

In reality, it's just that she's a popular but still secondary villain character, and the Suicide Squad comics were entirely based around the idea of taking a bunch of popular-but-still-secondary villains and having them do a team-up. Hence Deadshot, Killer Croc, etc. etc. So you're mostly right on that part; the reason this doesn't bother me is because I fucking love Harley Quinn, and Margot Robbie nailed the role so hard it was walking funny the next morning.

Zhukov said:
So you're saying it's a DCappointment?

...

Please don't hurt me.
Man, they outta put you on a suicide squad just for making that pun.

..."Pun Platoon."
 

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I care about the DC filmverse, insofar that I want to see how bad it gets before WB scrap it and reboot. If history is any indicator, 5 years.
 

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Yeah, BvS killed DC for me. I had little to no interest in this movie. This review, along with others, has done nothing to change that feeling.

Caramel Frappe said:
Harley Quinn and Deadshot made the movie as good as it could of been. Everyone else did a decent or meh job in all honesty.
Would it be accurate to say that Harley and Deadshot added a star to your rating? And without them the movie has little to no redeeming quality. That's sort of the feeling I get from what you're saying here.
 

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"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"

Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...

Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well. :(
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
Saltyk said:
Caramel Frappe said:
Harley Quinn and Deadshot made the movie as good as it could of been. Everyone else did a decent or meh job in all honesty.
Would it be accurate to say that Harley and Deadshot added a star to your rating? And without them the movie has little to no redeeming quality. That's sort of the feeling I get from what you're saying here.
Pretty much. If they weren't in the movie (the actors, not the characters) this movie would of flopped for sure. They did their absolute best in making their characters work with the mediocre plot and they succeeded, yet even they couldn't make the movie great sadly.
To be fair, I was certain that Will Smith would be the best part of the movie. He's the best part of pretty much every movie he has ever been in. I'll also say that I knew Harley would either be a highlight, or eye roll worthy. Good to hear she was a highlight.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
Saltyk said:
Caramel Frappe said:
Harley Quinn and Deadshot made the movie as good as it could of been. Everyone else did a decent or meh job in all honesty.
Would it be accurate to say that Harley and Deadshot added a star to your rating? And without them the movie has little to no redeeming quality. That's sort of the feeling I get from what you're saying here.
Pretty much. If they weren't in the movie (the actors, not the characters) this movie would of flopped for sure. They did their absolute best in making their characters work with the mediocre plot and they succeeded, yet even they couldn't make the movie great sadly.
Was Will Smith good because he portrayed Deadshot well, or because he was being Will Smith? From the trailers I feel like he's just playing Agent Jay or the guy from I Am Robot again.

OT: Watching it anyway to support a fundraiser. Honestly, I do think that the mainstream audience will enjoy this way more than the critics. I haven't heard a single non-critic say its as horrible as the Tomatometer makes it look.
 

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Hawki said:
"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"

Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...

Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well. :(
While it may not be the alternative you're looking for, in contrast, none of the DC TV series suck. Going by what I've heard, the worst one is Supergirl and it's still miles better than Agents of Shield.

Also, take a look into Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter. While they may not be superhero films, they're damn near close.
 

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Transdude1996 said:
While it may not be the alternative you're looking for, in contrast, none of the DC TV series suck. Going by what I've heard, the worst one is Supergirl and it's still miles better than Agents of Shield.

Also, take a look into Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter. While they may not be superhero films, they're damn near close.
The DC TV series? Okay...

Well, Arrow was quite good for the first two seasons, then it took a nose-dive in season 3, and from what I've heard, that continued into season 4. Seen season 1 of The Flash, not really my thing for various reasons, part of which is that the "Arrowverse" as a concept is drastically different from the series that started it. Supergirl probably won't change that, and Gotham isn't my thing either, or at least it wasn't in the few episodes I've seen.

Bear in mind this isn't me saying "I like superheroes, give me good stuff," it's more "okay, what can this genre offer me?" In recent times, very little, and in the moviescape, nothing.

As for Gods of Egypt, I've seen it. It's bad. Genuinely enjoyable, but still a bad film at the end of the day if one applies a modicum of critical thought. It's wearing its influences on its sleeve, but I'd still categorize it as "fantasy" more than "superhero." At the least, it's more in the "swords and sandals" sub-genre of film. But it's still the 6th worst movie I've seen this year, which is at least a step up from BvS (4th worst).
 

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Hawki said:
As for Gods of Egypt, I've seen it. It's bad. Genuinely enjoyable, but still a bad film at the end of the day if one applies a modicum of critical thought. It's wearing its influences on its sleeve, but I'd still categorize it as "fantasy" more than "superhero." At the least, it's more in the "swords and sandals" sub-genre of film. But it's still the 6th worst movie I've seen this year, which is at least a step up from BvS (4th worst).
Man, Gods of Egypt was amazing. I saw the trailer for it, went "what the fuck is this, this is the most ridiculous fucking thing I've ever seen" and then it came out and got slammed, and I went to my friends and said "this film has Jaime Lannister going super-saiyan on Gerard Butler doing his best General Zod impression, we have to see it."

Then I went to watch it, and I think about the point where they reveal that the planet is a literal disc, and Ra literally pilots a ship across the sky, with an actual fucking chain attached to the sun behind him...and then they need some water, so they dip a bottle into the sky beneath the ship and collect some goddamn sky-water, and all of this makes sense because who fucking cares shut up and watch these giant dragon-snakes.

I had way more fun watching that film than I was comfortable with.

Oh, for superhero TV serieses...seriesi...serioso...shows, just go watch Daredevil. It's really good. Kicks the shit out of any other Marvel TV property at the moment.
 

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Hawki said:
"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"

Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...

Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well. :(
You'll be back for Wonder Woman.
 

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RJ 17 said:
Don't mind me, just your resident English major putting my worthless degree to use. :3
RJ 17 said:
It should be noticed/noted that - at least from the few things I've seen/heard - there appears to be a disconnect between average fans (of which I would count Angry Joe since he's not an official movie critic) and actual movie critics.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? I WILL! :D

Really though, don't mind me, please. I'm a bit of an OCD grammar nazi, I can usually rein it in, but this was just too perfect an opportunity to miss.

As for the movie itself, TBH I hadn't really expected much after the previous DC movies and the trailers mostly seemed to focus on action, moderately funny jokes and Quinn's booty shots. Reasonably enjoyable stuff, all of it, but not enough so to sit through two hours of just that and little else.
 

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Bottom Line: The Ghostbusters reboot is good, not great. Given the quality of films this summer, that's more than good enough.
Could it have been worse? Of course! It's tolerable. Is that enough? No, it's not, especially after the last DC failure. Suicide Squad isn't good.
Bottom Line: Another DC disappointment, Suicide Squad is a barely tolerable movie.
Wow. You'd guys make some standards for yourselves. Currently they are rather double.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Hawki said:
"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"

Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...

Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well. :(
You'll be back for Wonder Woman.
Based on...what, exactly?
 

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Just watched it.

Yeah, not a good movie. Not even a particularly enjoyable one for me.
 

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Hawki said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Hawki said:
"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"

Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...

Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well. :(
You'll be back for Wonder Woman.
Based on...what, exactly?
Curiosity, Word of Mouth, and this trailer:


No multiple character from different universes likw Batman and Superman, all we have here is the development of Wonder Woman.