Suicide Squad - Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?
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The review is actually pretty accurate; it's a very middling-quality movie with some exceptional character acting and some really awful, cringe-inducing editing.
As for why we'd care about DC's franchise...well, I actually liked Batman v Superman. And Suicide Squad failing to take off makes it less likely that I'll see a Wonder Woman trilogy and an Affleck-directed Batman solo film. So if I had to answer "why do we care," it's because we're keen to see the characters on screen and because there was stuff we actually really liked (Wonder Woman) that they haven't fucked up yet.
You know, the whole thing is like watching a guy trying to make love to a beautiful woman, only every time he lines his Johnson up it slips to the side, and every time he gets a good rhythm going it slides out, and all the while there's a huge studio audience booing every time he fucks it up, and ten feet away there's an adult film shooting and the performers are doing all kinds of acrobatics you wouldn't think a human penis could endure.
The porn star is Marvel, in this analogy.
Some reviews I read actually had the opposite opinion; that only the first act was worth watching, and the rest was standard superhero fare. Maybe I'm wrong; or maybe those reviewers are dumb, and they need to go to stupid person jail for first-degree ignorance.
In reality, it's just that she's a popular but still secondary villain character, and the Suicide Squad comics were entirely based around the idea of taking a bunch of popular-but-still-secondary villains and having them do a team-up. Hence Deadshot, Killer Croc, etc. etc. So you're mostly right on that part; the reason this doesn't bother me is because I fucking love Harley Quinn, and Margot Robbie nailed the role so hard it was walking funny the next morning.
..."Pun Platoon."
As for why we'd care about DC's franchise...well, I actually liked Batman v Superman. And Suicide Squad failing to take off makes it less likely that I'll see a Wonder Woman trilogy and an Affleck-directed Batman solo film. So if I had to answer "why do we care," it's because we're keen to see the characters on screen and because there was stuff we actually really liked (Wonder Woman) that they haven't fucked up yet.
You know, the whole thing is like watching a guy trying to make love to a beautiful woman, only every time he lines his Johnson up it slips to the side, and every time he gets a good rhythm going it slides out, and all the while there's a huge studio audience booing every time he fucks it up, and ten feet away there's an adult film shooting and the performers are doing all kinds of acrobatics you wouldn't think a human penis could endure.
The porn star is Marvel, in this analogy.
Mostly the first. I felt it improved in the second act, when the squad actually gets together and starts doing stuff. The entire first act is pseudo-edgy exposition that clumsily sets up every character in the film.Solkard said:
Some reviews I read actually had the opposite opinion; that only the first act was worth watching, and the rest was standard superhero fare. Maybe I'm wrong; or maybe those reviewers are dumb, and they need to go to stupid person jail for first-degree ignorance.
In a lot of appearances, Harley is the Joker's muscle, in that she fights Batman for him while he escapes. Anyone who fisticuffs with Batman on a semi-regular basis probably deserves to be on the team.fluxy100 said:
In reality, it's just that she's a popular but still secondary villain character, and the Suicide Squad comics were entirely based around the idea of taking a bunch of popular-but-still-secondary villains and having them do a team-up. Hence Deadshot, Killer Croc, etc. etc. So you're mostly right on that part; the reason this doesn't bother me is because I fucking love Harley Quinn, and Margot Robbie nailed the role so hard it was walking funny the next morning.
Man, they outta put you on a suicide squad just for making that pun.Zhukov said:
..."Pun Platoon."
I care about the DC filmverse, insofar that I want to see how bad it gets before WB scrap it and reboot. If history is any indicator, 5 years.
Yeah, BvS killed DC for me. I had little to no interest in this movie. This review, along with others, has done nothing to change that feeling.
Would it be accurate to say that Harley and Deadshot added a star to your rating? And without them the movie has little to no redeeming quality. That's sort of the feeling I get from what you're saying here.Caramel Frappe said:
"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"
Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...
Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well.
Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...
Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well.
To be fair, I was certain that Will Smith would be the best part of the movie. He's the best part of pretty much every movie he has ever been in. I'll also say that I knew Harley would either be a highlight, or eye roll worthy. Good to hear she was a highlight.Caramel Frappe said:
Was Will Smith good because he portrayed Deadshot well, or because he was being Will Smith? From the trailers I feel like he's just playing Agent Jay or the guy from I Am Robot again.Caramel Frappe said:
OT: Watching it anyway to support a fundraiser. Honestly, I do think that the mainstream audience will enjoy this way more than the critics. I haven't heard a single non-critic say its as horrible as the Tomatometer makes it look.
While it may not be the alternative you're looking for, in contrast, none of the DC TV series suck. Going by what I've heard, the worst one is Supergirl and it's still miles better than Agents of Shield.Hawki said:"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"
Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...
Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well.
Also, take a look into Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter. While they may not be superhero films, they're damn near close.
The DC TV series? Okay...Transdude1996 said:
Well, Arrow was quite good for the first two seasons, then it took a nose-dive in season 3, and from what I've heard, that continued into season 4. Seen season 1 of The Flash, not really my thing for various reasons, part of which is that the "Arrowverse" as a concept is drastically different from the series that started it. Supergirl probably won't change that, and Gotham isn't my thing either, or at least it wasn't in the few episodes I've seen.
Bear in mind this isn't me saying "I like superheroes, give me good stuff," it's more "okay, what can this genre offer me?" In recent times, very little, and in the moviescape, nothing.
As for Gods of Egypt, I've seen it. It's bad. Genuinely enjoyable, but still a bad film at the end of the day if one applies a modicum of critical thought. It's wearing its influences on its sleeve, but I'd still categorize it as "fantasy" more than "superhero." At the least, it's more in the "swords and sandals" sub-genre of film. But it's still the 6th worst movie I've seen this year, which is at least a step up from BvS (4th worst).
Man, Gods of Egypt was amazing. I saw the trailer for it, went "what the fuck is this, this is the most ridiculous fucking thing I've ever seen" and then it came out and got slammed, and I went to my friends and said "this film has Jaime Lannister going super-saiyan on Gerard Butler doing his best General Zod impression, we have to see it."Hawki said:
Then I went to watch it, and I think about the point where they reveal that the planet is a literal disc, and Ra literally pilots a ship across the sky, with an actual fucking chain attached to the sun behind him...and then they need some water, so they dip a bottle into the sky beneath the ship and collect some goddamn sky-water, and all of this makes sense because who fucking cares shut up and watch these giant dragon-snakes.
I had way more fun watching that film than I was comfortable with.
Oh, for superhero TV serieses...seriesi...serioso...shows, just go watch Daredevil. It's really good. Kicks the shit out of any other Marvel TV property at the moment.
You'll be back for Wonder Woman.Hawki said:"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"
Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...
Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well.
RJ 17 said:
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? I WILL!RJ 17 said:
Really though, don't mind me, please. I'm a bit of an OCD grammar nazi, I can usually rein it in, but this was just too perfect an opportunity to miss.
As for the movie itself, TBH I hadn't really expected much after the previous DC movies and the trailers mostly seemed to focus on action, moderately funny jokes and Quinn's booty shots. Reasonably enjoyable stuff, all of it, but not enough so to sit through two hours of just that and little else.
Based on...what, exactly?Samtemdo8 said:You'll be back for Wonder Woman.Hawki said:"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"
Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...
Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well.
Curiosity, Word of Mouth, and this trailer:Hawki said:Based on...what, exactly?Samtemdo8 said:You'll be back for Wonder Woman.Hawki said:"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"
Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...
Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well.
No multiple character from different universes likw Batman and Superman, all we have here is the development of Wonder Woman.
Saw the movie today and it was utterly forgettable. It doesn't add to the DC world building effort, the whole context of the movie is that it is meant to be a collection of really bad guys brought together to do a job that no one else could do, although I'll give it it's due in that it is actually a group of government controlled people brought together to do the job that the likes of Superman could do but under the assumption that Superman could one day fuck it I am not doing that... but anyway the only issue is that Deadeye turns out to be the bad guy who actually has a heart of gold, Harley is just... well she's Harley, Boomrang is just a fucking bank robber, who only kills his cohorts because calling him a bank robber and that's it doesn't really stack with the whole bad of the bad persona the movie is driving at, Slipknot (no idea he doesn't get an intro like everyone else) but he can climb anything (yeah worst of the worst they bring out DC's version of Spiderman minus everything else Spiderman can do.
The movie isn't anywhere near as funny as I was hoping it was going to be, reshoots, re edits whatever you want to call it to lighten the tone and give it more of a comedic element are fine but all the 'funniest' moments are all in the trailers that everyone has seen leading up to the release.
The last battle goes the same direction as Batman Vs Superman, cutting from characters to characters with a background of debris and shit and lighting and explosions and my god can someone get one of these DC fights to just look like anything other than a cluster fuck of lighting and explosions and the worst worst part of all this is how utterly utterly worthless the entire squad is, the bad of the bad sent in to kill a bad guy who Wonder Women could have dealt with without breaking a sweat.
Literally the bad guy here wants to destroy the world, Batman has already suggested setting up the Justice League to deal with these kind of threats so where the fuck was Wonder Women?
Oh and will someone please tell whoever is doing the writing and casting for DC bad guys that Heather Ledger's Joker was spot on because he was believably scary crazy rather than what Lex Luther (in BvsS) and The Joker in this movie are going for which is just crazy for the sake of being crazy.
The worst part about this movie though is had I gone to the cinema to see it without having seen a single trailer I suspect that I would have enjoyed it a whole lot more, the trailers, early sneak peaks all the media that they have shown over the last few months gave away all the best parts of the movie, yet strangely didn;t actually give ANY hint at the over arcing plot, which as it happens is utterly meh.
The movie isn't anywhere near as funny as I was hoping it was going to be, reshoots, re edits whatever you want to call it to lighten the tone and give it more of a comedic element are fine but all the 'funniest' moments are all in the trailers that everyone has seen leading up to the release.
The last battle goes the same direction as Batman Vs Superman, cutting from characters to characters with a background of debris and shit and lighting and explosions and my god can someone get one of these DC fights to just look like anything other than a cluster fuck of lighting and explosions and the worst worst part of all this is how utterly utterly worthless the entire squad is, the bad of the bad sent in to kill a bad guy who Wonder Women could have dealt with without breaking a sweat.
Literally the bad guy here wants to destroy the world, Batman has already suggested setting up the Justice League to deal with these kind of threats so where the fuck was Wonder Women?
Oh and will someone please tell whoever is doing the writing and casting for DC bad guys that Heather Ledger's Joker was spot on because he was believably scary crazy rather than what Lex Luther (in BvsS) and The Joker in this movie are going for which is just crazy for the sake of being crazy.
The worst part about this movie though is had I gone to the cinema to see it without having seen a single trailer I suspect that I would have enjoyed it a whole lot more, the trailers, early sneak peaks all the media that they have shown over the last few months gave away all the best parts of the movie, yet strangely didn;t actually give ANY hint at the over arcing plot, which as it happens is utterly meh.
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I was hoping this would be great. It has such a great premise, an almost literal wet dream to see villains come together like a violently disfunctional family and learn to kick ass and work as a team, while humanising their personalities. Eh, I'll wait for the DVD, as you say. Just saw Zootopia (or Zootropilis due to a stupid trademark problem with a theme park around us)...that was a bit of brilliant experience. With rabbits and foxes, damnit. What are we to do with this mess of DC movies? Do we need to bring back Heath Ledger...or try, if it will bring back some quality to these films. I want them to be good, BVS made me zone out while watching, it had no emotional hook work with. It's just in the hands of people with no love for the storytelling potential. A little disheartening really.