Suicide Squad - Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?
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It's literally the first superhero film with a female lead in like...forever.Hawki said:
Seriously, look at the list [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_superhero_films]. What've we got, Catwoman and Elektra back in 2004/2005? What else? Tank Girl? I didn't even know that existed until just now.
I'm not saying it'll be good or bad on the basis of its lead character's genitalia. But it's probably worth checking out.
It'd be worth checking out if it wasn't a skinny waif who cant hold her head straight. Gal Gadot is the worst. THE WOOOOORST.bastardofmelbourne said:
HomuraDidNothinWrong said:It'd be worth checking out if it wasn't a skinny waif who cant hold her head straight. Gal Gadot is the worst. THE WOOOOORST.[/quotebastardofmelbourne said:
Oh you want this version of Wonder Woman?
Fuck that version I want my Wonder Woman skinny and hot.
There is nothing hot about Women with muscles.
And here powers are magical in nature so she can fly and have Super Strength without muscles.
Samtemdo8 said:No I don't want that one. Suffers the same problem as gal gadot. Can't freaking hold her head straight. Seriously the supermodel head turn pisses me off, it projects weakness. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/05/05/fashion/05STUDIED_SPAN/05POSTURE_SPAN-jumbo.jpg Wonder Woman in the middle has the proper stance. Standing tall, head straight, projecting strength and pride.HomuraDidNothinWrong said:It'd be worth checking out if it wasn't a skinny waif who cant hold her head straight. Gal Gadot is the worst. THE WOOOOORST.[/quotebastardofmelbourne said:
Oh you want this version of Wonder Woman?
Fuck that version I want my Wonder Woman skinny and hot.
There is nothing hot about Women with muscles.
And here powers are magical in nature so she can fly and have Super Strength without muscles.
Samtemdo8 said:My first thought was, "Which Legend of Korra fan artists drew this?"HomuraDidNothinWrong said:It'd be worth checking out if it wasn't a skinny waif who cant hold her head straight. Gal Gadot is the worst. THE WOOOOORST.[/quotebastardofmelbourne said:
Oh you want this version of Wonder Woman?
Fuck that version I want my Wonder Woman skinny and hot.Code:To save space
There is nothing hot about Women with muscles.
And here powers are magical in nature so she can fly and have Super Strength without muscles.
Having watched the movie, I loved the first act, the intro. But the movie 'plot' falls apart quickly. Being pegged as a metahuman taskforce to take down metahumans, their first mission? Save Amanda Waller. You know, the job a couple of Navy SEAL teams could've pulled off if they realized the horror of the situation and stuck together.
The Joker scenes were a bit hit and miss with me. And the fact that the team of 'metahumans' was two metahumans. And only one of them had a significant impact on the movie/plot. All they needed was special forces teams with guns. The Squad weren't needed, really. People go, but they did try. That doesn't count. It was a brief thing, not a proper planned assault.
When I found out that the script waas written in six weeks, I could understand why it had clunky narrative. A youtuber called MundaneMatt enjoyed the movie, as said that if you look at it from the theme of love you appreciate the movie more. I disagree. Abusive relationships makes more sense.
The Joker scenes were a bit hit and miss with me. And the fact that the team of 'metahumans' was two metahumans. And only one of them had a significant impact on the movie/plot. All they needed was special forces teams with guns. The Squad weren't needed, really. People go, but they did try. That doesn't count. It was a brief thing, not a proper planned assault.
When I found out that the script waas written in six weeks, I could understand why it had clunky narrative. A youtuber called MundaneMatt enjoyed the movie, as said that if you look at it from the theme of love you appreciate the movie more. I disagree. Abusive relationships makes more sense.
Development? She is 5000 yeats old, and apparently the ONLY time Warner Bros thinks a person who has been around for FIVE DAMN MILLENIA will only have an interesting story, is getting involved in a World War.Samtemdo8 said:Curiosity, Word of Mouth, and this trailer:Hawki said:Based on...what, exactly?Samtemdo8 said:You'll be back for Wonder Woman.Hawki said:"Why Care About DC's Sinking Ship?"
Because the only alternatives in the genre are Marvel (average films at best, bar a few exceptions), X-Men (average films across the board, with even fewer exceptions), Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (can't comment, but I haven't read or heard many good things about them), and Power Rangers (please don't suck, please don't suck...), which isn't even out yet. So at this point I care just a little, in that the DCEU has given me one average film (MoS), one bad film (BvS), and Suicide Squad. Which I haven't seen, but with this review hardly being outside the consensus...sigh...
Unless SS really impresses me, the DCEU might just be a write-off for me as well.
No multiple character from different universes likw Batman and Superman, all we have here is the development of Wonder Woman.
Sure maybe her entire has been somewhat dull, BUT IT IS FIVE THOUSAND YEARS, if WB really wants me to think that a warrior trained on Thamyscara hasn't has a single combat worth telling, then WB can joining the doomed USS DCEU
Out of all the endless, twisting ways in which you can do Wonder Woman terribly, Gal Gadot is doing a pretty decent job.HomuraDidNothinWrong said:
I might like it if she had more bulk, but not everyone's into that and she's a model before she was an actress, so I can't expect her to go Batfleck on us and turn into a hulking flesh-beast.
The last point's fine, but a lot of people prefer Wonder Woman to be stacked for thematic reasons. She's an Amazon warrior-princess, not Buffy Summers. She should look tough more than anything else.Samtemdo8 said:
(Bear in mind I think Gal Gadot does a perfectly serviceable job of making her look tough already; muscles aren't mandatory)
That is Stjepan Sejic, who is one of my favourite amateur-to-professional artists ever. He draws Sunstone, which is a softcore lesbian BDSM comic, and Witchblade.Transdude1996 said:
He's a big fan of Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, which is why I'm holding out hope he'll get to do a team-up series with them someday. N...not because of Sunstone, or anything. Because of other reasons.
Some [http://nebezial.deviantart.com/art/some-recent-dc-stuff-524849193] of [http://nebezial.deviantart.com/art/one-size-fits-all-452498286] his [http://nebezial.deviantart.com/art/bats-bats-on-gargoyles-313667720] work. [http://nebezial.deviantart.com/art/suit-up-no-its-not-barney-319092958]
Let's be fair;VoidWanderer said:
- she spent those five thousand years on an isolated island paradise, completely divorced from the rest of the world.
- the character development will likely come from how she deals with World War One, which was - at that point - an unprecedentedly large and astoundingly brutal global conflict that has become a byword for industrialised human slaughter. Even if she had participated in every war mankind had ever fought, she would have never seen something like World War One.
- Comics!Wonder Woman, traditionally, was involved in WW2 to some extent, although the canonicity of that experience has always been weird; sometimes it was her, sometimes it was her mother, sometimes neither of them did it.
- A Wonder Woman movie where Wonder Woman stays on Paradise Island the entire time would be incredibly fucking boring.
I love Angry Joe as much as the next guy, but I honestly can't take that review seriously. Reading/watching any other review, even the good ones, it comes down to "Yeah it's a mess, but I had (or didn't have) fun" whereas Joe and Company are basically saying everything is great and fuck you to anyone that thinks otherwise. I think he was so disappointed with BvS that his mind wasn't able to allow him to go through that trauma again.Samtemdo8 said:
Some people don't like muscles on a woman. Some do. Diffrent strokes and all that.fisheries said:
Probably the second biggest problem with the film is that this isn't just a problem for Harley. The basic premise of the whole thing is that the next superpowered alien who shows up might not be as nice as Superman, so the USA needs a team of badasses ready to take on threats like that. So instead of doing that, they put together a team consisting of someone who has good aim, an insane psychiatrist, someone who can climb, an Australian, someone with a sword, a couple of random army guys, someone with bad skin who is apparently quite strong (but never actually shows it in the film), and finally the only person with actual powers who can throw fire around. Harley may actively make a team worse by being there, but so does literally everyone else in the team. They've supposedly been specifically chosen for their ability to fight against Superman-level threats, but not one of them actually has the ability to do so, and most would struggle against a regular reasonably well-trained human.fluxy100 said:
As for the Joker, he's not even in the film. There are a couple of meaningless flashbacks to give Harley some backstory, but other than that he shows up for no more than a minute or so in which he has no lines and doesn't actually do anything. The character could have been removed entirely and it would have had no impact whatsoever. There have been all kinds of arguments about whether this was a good interpretation of the character or not, but there's simply not enough character on display to come to a judgement at all.
However, the biggest problem is the plot. There isn't one. As Marter says, at least half the film is spent just setting things up and introducing some, but not even all, of the team. It then remembers is needs a plot, but completely fails to introduce one. Some people are doing something, they need to be stopped. That's not a short summary, that's the full level of detail we're given. One of the two villains doesn't even get a name, while the other gets a name and nothing else - no backstory, no motivation, no known powers or weaknesses, and most importantly no conversation or interaction with other characters.
It's really more a sketch-show than anything else. We get introduced to a group of quirky characters and watch them interact with each other. Then there's a bad guy and an explosion. The end. If you enjoy the characters and their interactions, then that might be enough to enjoy the film. If you want meaningful narrative, character development, or a plot that pays off in any way, stay well away - these aspects aren't simply badly done, they seem to have made a considerable effort to avoid including them at all.
Personally, it was enough for me to not be upset I paid money to see it. Will Smith, Viola Davis and Jai Courtney were great, while most of the others were at least good enough. Margot Robbie did well with what she had, but seemed to be dragged down by poor script and editing; when it wasn't trying to jam the "manic pixie dreamgirl" trope down your throat, it kept having weird pauses before and after her lines as if the editor expected a laugh track to kick in. Plus her connection to the non-character of the Joker rather spoiled her by proxy. The action was passable, but not really any more than that. The usual issues with fast cuts in dark settings made it difficult to see what's going on, which sadly was only helped by the fact that there was rarely much going on - for most of the film all the action is just the protagonists repeatedly mowing down literally faceless mooks. The music was often inappropriate and several times seemed to be trying to grab focus away from the actual film, especially early on when the characters were being introduced. Overall, it was OK. I've seen worse, but I've definitely seen much better. This will go down in history as a film that didn't go down in history.
I thought it was good. Not amazing, but certainly not bad. Yeah, there are superfluous characters, the lighting is terrible and you gotta love those PG-13 bloodless gunshot deaths, but I'd still say it's worth seeing. Solid B.
Also, a DC movie where the main characters are fighting VILLAINS and not causing property damage roughly equivalent to the GDP of the United States? What world am I in?!
Also, a DC movie where the main characters are fighting VILLAINS and not causing property damage roughly equivalent to the GDP of the United States? What world am I in?!
The first half is really bad. It's basically spent introducing all these different characters in various montage scenes with flashbacks, computer profiles and other immersion breaking plot devices that would have made more sense on a web site where you just click on each character to learn more. They are then brought together on the flimsiest of pretexts, which, at its core, is a plot hole Amanda Waller herself created. The main big bad's evil plot is to "cover the world in darkness". If you think I'm joking and there's something more to it, there isn't; it is *literally* darkness, and covering the world with it.Solkard said:
The second half is a little better, but is still bad. The characters are terrible. Their powers are looking sexy, shooting guns and throwing boomerangs. Only the Mexican dude who shoots fire is an actual meta human. His name is Diablo because Devil is English, and he's Mexican, ese. The Japanese girl is there to be Japanese; she uses a katana, speaks Japanese, has a Japanese flag on her mask and does martial arts. The Joker was a horrible character and a terrible portrayal. Think of any Joker you've seen before...Nicholson, Hamill, Ledger...this latest one doesn't deserve to be in the same paragraph as any of them.
There were a couple of funny jokes, the movie was pretty much carried by Will Smith but there was nothing to be interested in. I had no investment in any character, didn't care whether they stopped the darkness plot or not, the mooks were generic mooks, the special FX were OTT and didn't look quite right. The voices were awful...three or four characters have these computerised voices that sound really ridiculous. Killer Croc, the Enchantress and some others, their voices are synthesised things that sound completely wrong. Will Smith himself described the main plot device as the "circle of trash in the sky"...that really sums it all up.
I found it flawed bu enjoyable If DC heads more in this direction with their films, then I think I will enjoy what they have to offer in future.
If DC heads more in this direction with their films, then I think I will enjoy what they have to offer in future.
So I saw it today and...it's okay. Enjoyable, but okay. It's kind of the DCEU's equivalent to Guardians of the Galaxy, with more 'grit,' and a similar breed of insanity (i.e. you have to quickly accept that meta-humans exist, and if you didn't see BvS, you're going to be scratching your head). Both are films I enjoy, but not films that are "good" per se.
I will say that if this film has one problem is that its tone shifts noticably from the start (heavily styalized, high on humour), to the middle (where everything is played straight), to the end (where the two are mixed). Also, this is a film that focuses very much on a few key characters (Deadshot, Harley, Rick Flag), whereas GotG was far more an ensemble piece. So, it's a step up from BvS, and I think the best film in the DCEU so far, but it's flawed. And that's not even accounting for the plotholes (seriously, just bomb Incubus from the air if an explosive charge is all it takes to kill him).
I will say that if this film has one problem is that its tone shifts noticably from the start (heavily styalized, high on humour), to the middle (where everything is played straight), to the end (where the two are mixed). Also, this is a film that focuses very much on a few key characters (Deadshot, Harley, Rick Flag), whereas GotG was far more an ensemble piece. So, it's a step up from BvS, and I think the best film in the DCEU so far, but it's flawed. And that's not even accounting for the plotholes (seriously, just bomb Incubus from the air if an explosive charge is all it takes to kill him).