Super Mario Galaxy 2
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The funniest thing about this article by far is that I bought Super Mario Galaxy 2 based on your recommendation of the first title. I borrowed Galaxy from a friend a short time later, and I was shocked at the similarities.
Though I think the best argument in Galaxy 2's favour is that, well... sometimes you WANT more levels. Sometimes that's all you need. Galaxy 2 fills a hole quite nicely for many, many people - remember when Nintendo referred to it as "Galaxy 1.5"? And in while it is a cash cow, loud and mooing, it's a nice looking cash cow, with a whole lot of fun, new design elements; and sometimes that's all you really want from a sequel.
Though I think the best argument in Galaxy 2's favour is that, well... sometimes you WANT more levels. Sometimes that's all you need. Galaxy 2 fills a hole quite nicely for many, many people - remember when Nintendo referred to it as "Galaxy 1.5"? And in while it is a cash cow, loud and mooing, it's a nice looking cash cow, with a whole lot of fun, new design elements; and sometimes that's all you really want from a sequel.
I always thought that games like Singstar, Guitar Hero, and Buzz! were the perfect newbie friendly titles - ease them into gaming, ease them into the idea of a controller, then ease them into doing stuff. But for selling the whole culture to them... god. There IS no jump-off point. The culture is built around people's joint experiences while gaming - differences are our similarities - and when a culture is built around acquired tastes, it's hard to thrust someone face-first into it without expecting either heavy bruising, or just total lack of willingness to do it again.
Ebert is a film critic; the lowest kind of -itic. The longer we keep referencing him, the longer he wins.
Ebert is a film critic; the lowest kind of -itic. The longer we keep referencing him, the longer he wins.
I just got to reading this article and haven't finished going through all the comments yet, but I worked for a few years at a video game archive and when groups of girls would tentatively poke their heads in or be dragged in with their boyfriends who went straight for Gears or whatever shooter I would immediately try and set them up with Little Big Planet and they would always, always fall in love with that game and want to come back and play more. I think Little Big Planet is a wonderful introduction into the gaming world and it's always been my fall back suggestion for new gamers. So right on Yahtzee, right on.
I actually learned how to play video games in the first place when I got an N64 plus Mario when I was very young. It took time getting used to maneuver, but it was easy enough to adapt to regardless.Gaming King said:
Great article overall, and it made me really think about showing a non-gamer that a game is also a medium of art. While I stand by that art is overall a subjective thing, you have to be able to understand the mechanics of how to play a game to experience the "art." You can't just play a supposedly "artistic" game to someone because they're not in control and experiencing any immersion or connection. It's the equivalent to watching a CGI film, a transition in perspective once the other person playing takes control, and then they are completely lost in what's so special as you start tearing apart the undead (or whatever) over and over.
Just plain brutal for me. I hit the part about SMB2 vs. Doki Doki Panic and my eyes just glaze over and I practically close the page. Such an old topic and only surpassed in it's weird "unable to just up and die please" power by the Final Fantasy 2 and 3 vs. IV, IVe and VI debacle. At least the Final Fantasy thing has been given a legitimate rebirth due to the remakes but the only person that is going to be confused and think you mean "The Lost Levels" when you say, "SMB2," is a foreign exchange student from Japan reading this article.
As for the topic of a "first timer" video game. How bad would it really be to an honest to god "first timer" to throw them in front of the SNES Super Mario Collection? What about Super Mari World from SNES? Where is their bias about "good graphics" coming from if they are a true first timer? Maybe crazy blocky, Playstation 1 era, 3-d graphics I could see but would Super Mario 64 be okay or do we have to bump it up to Super Mario Sunshine? If you don't start them out lower they are going to have an awfully hard time ever going backwards to check out gaming's roots when/if they want to.
A good example of not being able to go backwards in gaming would be my friend. We both work at a well known gaming publisher with an in house dev studio. We're gamers, for sure, worked our way up from QA to where we are now. My buddy happened to skip out on the early Resident Evil games and basically only jumped on board at sequel number 4. It is pretty much impossible to get him to play parts 1 through 3 on PS1, the best I could do was play a 2 hour speed run through RE1 for him to watch and he essentially voted the game, "Pretty much crap and not scary." I know this guy well and if we had played this together when it was released (like I had) he would have been a fan.
Now this same guy I threw in front of my Neo Geo and made him play Metal Slug 2 and he had a blast... so he's hardly biased about graphics game play if they are classic sprites at least! That's why I wonder where you could really draw the line for introducing a "first timer." SNES at least, in my opinion.
As for the topic of a "first timer" video game. How bad would it really be to an honest to god "first timer" to throw them in front of the SNES Super Mario Collection? What about Super Mari World from SNES? Where is their bias about "good graphics" coming from if they are a true first timer? Maybe crazy blocky, Playstation 1 era, 3-d graphics I could see but would Super Mario 64 be okay or do we have to bump it up to Super Mario Sunshine? If you don't start them out lower they are going to have an awfully hard time ever going backwards to check out gaming's roots when/if they want to.
A good example of not being able to go backwards in gaming would be my friend. We both work at a well known gaming publisher with an in house dev studio. We're gamers, for sure, worked our way up from QA to where we are now. My buddy happened to skip out on the early Resident Evil games and basically only jumped on board at sequel number 4. It is pretty much impossible to get him to play parts 1 through 3 on PS1, the best I could do was play a 2 hour speed run through RE1 for him to watch and he essentially voted the game, "Pretty much crap and not scary." I know this guy well and if we had played this together when it was released (like I had) he would have been a fan.
Now this same guy I threw in front of my Neo Geo and made him play Metal Slug 2 and he had a blast... so he's hardly biased about graphics game play if they are classic sprites at least! That's why I wonder where you could really draw the line for introducing a "first timer." SNES at least, in my opinion.
Cinematic games can build a sort of emotional connection, though, that might very well interest new players who are used to other media. FINAL FANTASY XIII would be great for a newcomer, I would say.SelectivelyEvil13 said:
I would say Okami, although now, you can really only get the wii version. Still, it's a beautiful example of games as art, since it's practically an interactive watercolor. It would take some time to get used to the controls but it's a pretty easy game. The only thing I had trouble with was occasionally not knowing what to do next. Not a big platformer myself, so the usual platformers like Mario and Legend of Zelda kind of give me trouble but Okami is cake.