Superheroes Movies Set Bad Example, Says Psychologist
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wait Dr. Lamb, the Dr.lamb of rapture?wtf is she talking to us about super heroes? and no duh kick-ass is bad.also,when has iron man ever cared about himself?
Really? The shallow propaganda of the 30s and 40s was somehow better than the stories of today? I don't buy it.
Seriously, humans are flawed. Humans are not always paragons of honor and justice. Today's superhero stories attempt to shed light on the fact, and set out to say that despite one's flaws, one can still help the world and accomplish great things. The early comics presented an extremely black and white view of good and evil: Superman is a blindingly pure Marty Stu whose morals are perfect, Lex Luthor is an unquestionably evil kitten-eating, baby-punching villain. Call me crazy, but some how I think the superheroes of today, with their baggage and shaky morals, present far better role models than the always-good, always-right heroes from the early days of comics.
Seriously, humans are flawed. Humans are not always paragons of honor and justice. Today's superhero stories attempt to shed light on the fact, and set out to say that despite one's flaws, one can still help the world and accomplish great things. The early comics presented an extremely black and white view of good and evil: Superman is a blindingly pure Marty Stu whose morals are perfect, Lex Luthor is an unquestionably evil kitten-eating, baby-punching villain. Call me crazy, but some how I think the superheroes of today, with their baggage and shaky morals, present far better role models than the always-good, always-right heroes from the early days of comics.
I can only think of 2 superheroes that are "bad" role models, and they happen to be my favorites:
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Even then, kids don't look for those 2 characters as role models. Most don't know who the punisher is, and even those wh do know ghost rider just think he's cool.
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Even then, kids don't look for those 2 characters as role models. Most don't know who the punisher is, and even those wh do know ghost rider just think he's cool.
Ehh, he can say what he wants but there's always going to be something that people pick out. It's always "think of the children"! Well, they're smarter than you think and they can probably realize that Tony Stark's behaviour out-of-costume is inappropriate (probably because the movie puts a decent emphasis on how much he affects the other characters. Go figure.)
And since we're making normally-accepted children's fare into a bad example, I'm going to references the "best" of all: The Disney Princesses.
And since we're making normally-accepted children's fare into a bad example, I'm going to references the "best" of all: The Disney Princesses.
So, to paraphrase this guy...
DC > Marvel.
Am I reading that right?
I dunno, it kind of depends on what you want out of your superheroes. If you want a role model, then yeah, DC's better. Its superheroes are defined as ideals first and characters second. If you want... ... I hesitate to say "realistic," but people who're more gritty and down-to-earth, more like flawed human beings with exceptional talents, that's what Marvel exists for. They aren't meant to be role models; if anything you're meant to learn from their mistakes, which last I checked was perfectly valid moral form in fiction.
This guy doesn't just not get superheroes, he flat-out doesn't get storytelling.
DC > Marvel.
Am I reading that right?
I dunno, it kind of depends on what you want out of your superheroes. If you want a role model, then yeah, DC's better. Its superheroes are defined as ideals first and characters second. If you want... ... I hesitate to say "realistic," but people who're more gritty and down-to-earth, more like flawed human beings with exceptional talents, that's what Marvel exists for. They aren't meant to be role models; if anything you're meant to learn from their mistakes, which last I checked was perfectly valid moral form in fiction.
This guy doesn't just not get superheroes, he flat-out doesn't get storytelling.
Dr. S Lamb... That seems a little to big of a coincidence.
Anyway, superheroes, with all their acts of heroism and personality flaws, are just meant to be taken as a book would be.
An entertaining break from reality, with maybe some morals thrown in.
Saying "Don't look up to superheroes" is much like saying "Don't look up to characters in novels"
The only difference is how they solve problems, at least that's how I think of it. Just enjoy the medium.
Anyway, superheroes, with all their acts of heroism and personality flaws, are just meant to be taken as a book would be.
An entertaining break from reality, with maybe some morals thrown in.
Saying "Don't look up to superheroes" is much like saying "Don't look up to characters in novels"
The only difference is how they solve problems, at least that's how I think of it. Just enjoy the medium.
Wolverine is an anti-hero, not a hero.ultimateownage said:
As proved by Marvel. All the characters she is complaining about are Marvel. Yet people still read Superman, the perpetual Boyscout.Zeromaeus said:
Marvel Heroes try to overcome their flaws. Look at what happened in comics with Iron Man. He became a drunk (several times), lost his company (several times), and yet came back to triumph. He continues to try and battle his tendency to get lost in drink when things go bad for him. Isn't that promoting a good message, Dr. Lamb-to-the-slaughter? Isn't it important to try and persevere? To overcome one's flaws? You learn nothing from flawless heroes. People, and kids, know they have flaws, and seeing someone flawless just makes you think you can never be that person. Never even try to be that person, because they are flawless and you aren't.
If your the parent of a child, and your expecting something else to be the role model? Your both fucked.
They are entertainment. Not role models. Sports figures aren't role models. As most dip into drugs, booze, rampant sex with anything that comes a long, childish, and are paid millions for in one way or another playing with a ball.
I really need to know? Does every moron who took these college classes, gets a degree and finds there are no jobs out there have to be quoted by the masses every time they make a blog to draw attention to themselves?
Like we need morons like that to tell us common sense.
Oh here make me famous.
A expert says "Wipe your ass after every bowel movement. Scientist show no doing so creates unhealthy live enviroment, smells that can repel close friends, and ruin clothing."
Well no shit...
Exactly and that will be the name of my study... no shit.
They are entertainment. Not role models. Sports figures aren't role models. As most dip into drugs, booze, rampant sex with anything that comes a long, childish, and are paid millions for in one way or another playing with a ball.
I really need to know? Does every moron who took these college classes, gets a degree and finds there are no jobs out there have to be quoted by the masses every time they make a blog to draw attention to themselves?
Like we need morons like that to tell us common sense.
Oh here make me famous.
A expert says "Wipe your ass after every bowel movement. Scientist show no doing so creates unhealthy live enviroment, smells that can repel close friends, and ruin clothing."
Well no shit...
Exactly and that will be the name of my study... no shit.
Yes, the innate goodness of the superheroes of yore would indeed seem mawkish and insincere...to adults. That's the main thing that you have to take away from this.
Super hero audiences have changed over the years. Iron Man isn't marketed to kids and young teens anymore. It's for adults. As an adult I believe that super hero movies like Iron Man have evolved into a more approachable and relatable medium filled with gritty delves into the human psyche and mature archetypes, but those aren't things for children to idolize. Children have trouble understanding gray areas, and in all honesty, so do many adults.
So I can understand where the good professor is coming from. You wouldn't want your kid acting like Tony Stark...be honest.
Super hero audiences have changed over the years. Iron Man isn't marketed to kids and young teens anymore. It's for adults. As an adult I believe that super hero movies like Iron Man have evolved into a more approachable and relatable medium filled with gritty delves into the human psyche and mature archetypes, but those aren't things for children to idolize. Children have trouble understanding gray areas, and in all honesty, so do many adults.
So I can understand where the good professor is coming from. You wouldn't want your kid acting like Tony Stark...be honest.
Those are easily the most fucking blatant lies pretty harshly simplified and kinda meaningless points. Besides, I already made a young girl kill Dr. Lamb, why can't she stay dead?
Oh shit, this can't be good.Logan Westbrook said:
Anyways, I think we need to stop being so concerned about "what's damaging to the children". Anyone else notice that since that trend started, so has the tendency for extremely violent outbursts has increased?
I'd be more concerened about the rise of the 'no hero' mindset in popular culture rather than the 'dark hero' trend in super heroes. Superheroes are fantastic people whose good sides are supposed to be emulated and it's understod they're fantastic people. You see then as being the over the top people that they are. Yeah, they have dark sides to make them seem more human, but you're incorporating those dark sides to help bring them closer to our level.
I'd be more concerned about the devaluation of the real heroes in our society, Police, Firefighters, EMT's and Paramedics. The kinds of people who are out there doing all those things that superheroes do, but are people like us. Movies like Bringing out the Dead, or TV shows like Shield and Rescue Me, things that make those human weaknesses an over the top concept and reinforce the idea that these real heroes aren't worth emulating...instead glorifying the dark sides...showing that there are no heroes in the world.
I'd be more concerned about the devaluation of the real heroes in our society, Police, Firefighters, EMT's and Paramedics. The kinds of people who are out there doing all those things that superheroes do, but are people like us. Movies like Bringing out the Dead, or TV shows like Shield and Rescue Me, things that make those human weaknesses an over the top concept and reinforce the idea that these real heroes aren't worth emulating...instead glorifying the dark sides...showing that there are no heroes in the world.
