Superman Could Get Dark Knight Treatment
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The common complaint/excuse that Superman's "over-powered-ness" limits the amount of suspensful stories that can be told with him has always struck me as less an indictment of writers' abilities than the character's. Technically speaking, Superman and Batman are BOTH "all powerful" when the story calls for it, just with a differing explanation ("I'm Superman" versus "I just happen to have a gadget for just such an occasion," typically) and "vulnerable" by the same token.
"Superman II" solved the problem nicely: Bring in an enemy that matches him. There's HUNDREDS of enemy characters running around the DC Universe - ALL of which Warner Bros. already own, by that token - who're supposed to be as-strong or stronger than him, and that's not necessarily including "magical" characters for whom strength is largely irrelevant. Or they could always, y'know, just MAKE ONE UP
Otherwise... for pity's sake, the character is an ALIEN with the power of a god who has to pretend to be an average schlub to avoid blowing his cover so he can use an alternate-identity to fight crime. Can it REALLY be that hard to get 90 minutes of story out of that?
"Superman II" solved the problem nicely: Bring in an enemy that matches him. There's HUNDREDS of enemy characters running around the DC Universe - ALL of which Warner Bros. already own, by that token - who're supposed to be as-strong or stronger than him, and that's not necessarily including "magical" characters for whom strength is largely irrelevant. Or they could always, y'know, just MAKE ONE UP
Otherwise... for pity's sake, the character is an ALIEN with the power of a god who has to pretend to be an average schlub to avoid blowing his cover so he can use an alternate-identity to fight crime. Can it REALLY be that hard to get 90 minutes of story out of that?
Even if you wanted to do Doomsday, which would be cool IMO, starting a reboot with that would be stupid, it could work but I can't see me liking it, maybe as a sequel put doomsday in it, start with general Zod or something.
Superman can't be "Dark Knight"-ized. Starting from his very costume, he is simply impossible to take seriously. The whole "Now I'm Clark Kent" *takes glasses off* "Now I'm Superman" thing makes him even less interesting.
Gah, I'm just saying what has been said over and over again in this topic. There is no need or place for Superman in this age. He was a product of the Cold War, meant to teach boys about justice and doing what's right.
JUST SOMEBODY GET A CRAPLOAD OF KRYPTONITE AND BURY IT TO THE EARTH'S CORE WITH SUPERMAN!! I'd be MUCH happier if that turtle-necked man-refrigerator hybrid died out altogether.
Gah, I'm just saying what has been said over and over again in this topic. There is no need or place for Superman in this age. He was a product of the Cold War, meant to teach boys about justice and doing what's right.
JUST SOMEBODY GET A CRAPLOAD OF KRYPTONITE AND BURY IT TO THE EARTH'S CORE WITH SUPERMAN!! I'd be MUCH happier if that turtle-necked man-refrigerator hybrid died out altogether.
While Dark Knight was one of the 2 best Batman movies, I still hate it, & the other good one. I hate them all, but I love the comics, looking forward to "Under the Hood" getting animated too.
Anyway, I'd love a grittier darker Lex Luthor. The best he's gotten on the screen was in Superman TAS.
Anyway, I'd love a grittier darker Lex Luthor. The best he's gotten on the screen was in Superman TAS.
We are rather assuming that Christopher Nolan is entirely incapable of rational thought. "He has made some dark films so lets, assume that's all he is capable of.
The makers of the Matrix up to making it had only made films about lesbian bank robbers, so by your logic that would have made bullet time an awful lot more interesting!
I don't read many comics and they are usually Garth Ennis stuff, so I'm not an authority but it does annoy me when sweeping generalisations are made.
The makers of the Matrix up to making it had only made films about lesbian bank robbers, so by your logic that would have made bullet time an awful lot more interesting!
I don't read many comics and they are usually Garth Ennis stuff, so I'm not an authority but it does annoy me when sweeping generalisations are made.
Lois Lane, that is ofcourse Superman likes men now, in which case Louis it is.Sexy Guy said:
As for the Hulk, with enough conventional firepower he can be brought down (for a while). Thor has beaten him, Wolverine has had some success, even Fantastic Four's Thing can take him (for a while).
I read too many (marvel) comics.008Zulu said:
World War Hulk showed us that if the Hulk is pissed off enough he can go toe to toe with the Sentry (someone with the strength of a thousands suns and kind of meant to be a schizophrenic silver age superman type).
But yeah most days of the week he's not strong enough.
" Superman is the shining star in DC's pantheon, an all-American hero of comics...."
Sorry guys, but Superman was created by a Canadian.
Sorry guys, but Superman was created by a Canadian.
One of the things that amazes me about Batman is everything else DC has ever published has been crap. Superman is only good as a symbol nowadays, a stepping stone in the evolution of comicbook superheroes, important but obsolete. He's the origin of the 'superhero as god' archetype, like Dr. Manhattan and Thor. And yet they keep making movies about how he's the world's burliest newsroom clerk who becomes unidentifiable by putting on a pair of glasses.
Umm no. Superman isn't dark, i mean thats kinda the point of him. Just because nolan is doing it doesn't mean we will have a vigilante raspy voiced superman lol. I mean i think superman has actually only killed two people EVER in the comics. Both were robbers and it was by complete accident and he cried about it. Besides i think another superman movie is still a few years off. By that time they can use the cast of smallville and make "metropolis" I mean.. that is if they want to do it correctly. Everyone knows superman and his story and what he is capable of. Pop culture has always understood him, however they never had a Clark Kent. Which is why they need to use the cast and build off the last what 8 seasons of character development and slightly twisted take on it's universe and go all out.
Superman needs a villian that ISN'T Lex Luthor for his next movie. Enough is enough.
Also shouldn't you be saying that Superman is getting the "Batman Begins" treatment, not the "Dark Knight" treatment? Just Sayin'
Also shouldn't you be saying that Superman is getting the "Batman Begins" treatment, not the "Dark Knight" treatment? Just Sayin'
I really like what Nolan did to Batman, so I hope they will make something of a red-blue super-hero that wears underwear over his pants, and his only disguise is a pair of glasses.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Sups is supposed to be the shining light not some gritty bastard that will hide in the dark and scare the shit out of you.