So the doppler effect? It's at this point that I notice how silly comic book writing can be.Winnosh said:
Superman gets too much shit (And underrated heroes in general)
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If there was ever proof that you have never read a single Superman comic in your life, it's that you just said Superman isn't risking himself in his battles. He's NOT invincible. He CAN be hurt. His loved ones can be hurt. He DIED for a while. There are numerous stories about the consequences of Superman's heroics. There are many beings in the DCU far stronger than he is. Green kryptonite doesn't take away his powers (that's red sunlight that does that), it just kills him, slowly and painfully. So any time kryptonite comes into play, his life is very much in danger. Don't try to discuss things you clearly know NOTHING about.NuclearShadow said:
(PREFACE: My experience and knowledge of the Superman universe, plot and mythos are limited. Feel free to correct any mistakes made. Just don't be an asshole about it.)
Superman is without a doubt the best superhero. But because of this, he sucks at being the central character in a story.
Giving him so many powers and only one weakness makes literally everything a non-issue with him, unless of course Badguy X finds himself with a shard of Superman's exploded home planet. How does so much Kryptonite even get to Earth, let alone in such high capacity?
You don't really get 'the fight' with Superman. With roughly any other superhero, they actually have to beat the villain, and it's at least a little bit of a struggle to do so. In Superman's case, the battle is just filler because there's no threat to him. Unless of course Kryptonite is involved, making the only true villains in Superman those who have access to it, and that's just kind of limiting in terms of narrative. It makes me feel like all of the meaningful fights in the series are the same fight told differently.
Superman is without a doubt the best superhero. But because of this, he sucks at being the central character in a story.
Giving him so many powers and only one weakness makes literally everything a non-issue with him, unless of course Badguy X finds himself with a shard of Superman's exploded home planet. How does so much Kryptonite even get to Earth, let alone in such high capacity?
You don't really get 'the fight' with Superman. With roughly any other superhero, they actually have to beat the villain, and it's at least a little bit of a struggle to do so. In Superman's case, the battle is just filler because there's no threat to him. Unless of course Kryptonite is involved, making the only true villains in Superman those who have access to it, and that's just kind of limiting in terms of narrative. It makes me feel like all of the meaningful fights in the series are the same fight told differently.
No worries. you don't know much about the character apparently which is fine. When it boils down to it Kryptonite is something incredibly rare and something that shows up once every couple of years and is usually a big deal when it does show up.EcoEclipse said:
A big thing about Superman comics is teh importance of his supporting cast. Superman is importaint in the story but so is "Clark solving a mystery, Lois working on a story, Jimmy, Clarks parents and his relationship with his friends and other super heroes. There are lots of stories with no fighting at all in them.
And when he does fight, sometimes its about defeating a powerful enemy, and sometimes its about more than the fight, something else is going on.
That or we could all start making fun of him because he is weakened by star light. I mean when you think about it. . it's kind of funny.Winnosh said:
You're not the only one. Supes and I are old friends, and he's my favorite of the founding DC heroes.
In terms of your question, Blue Beetle deserves far more than he gets. Any incarnation really.
In terms of your question, Blue Beetle deserves far more than he gets. Any incarnation really.
My only problem with Superman is that the only ways that something can only cause tension in his stories are if:
A. They are just as stupidly strong and they have a big punch-up for an entire comic run...
or
B. They have Kryptonite stuck up their arse and he has to heroically overcome it or be taken prisoner only to overcome it some time later.
A. They are just as stupidly strong and they have a big punch-up for an entire comic run...
or
B. They have Kryptonite stuck up their arse and he has to heroically overcome it or be taken prisoner only to overcome it some time later.
And I find this guy one of the worst characters in comics history. Someone who started out as a great idea but lost every ounce of story potential and in the end most fans were glad he got killed off and wished it had happened sooner.Waaghpowa said:
Then we get a horrible funeral issue with all the characters telling us how wonderful he was. Oh and he totaly got to take Rogue's virginity And was so much better than every other Marvel hero and they all looked up to him, and he we'll all be sorry he's dead. *eyerolls*
Perhaps I should mention that my experience is of the shows (which most were somewhat shite).Winnosh said:
Ya, he also flies through the air super fast hundreds/thousands of feet above their heads, hence:Agow95 said:
It's a bird...
It's a plane...
plus it stands to reason that 99% of the people in Metropolis don't even know Clark Kent and therefore wouldn't recognize him anyway if they did see him in plain view.
And in case you never noticed he also changes his voice somewhat.
I don't know. He's just kind of boring. No character flaws, no weaknesses other than Kryptonite, and a whole bucketload of powers. Not to mention his double life never really seems to bother him. There's nothing in him that makes him seem human. I mean sure, I'm sure if you dig through the comics you'll find something, but his general basis is that he has no flaws.
He can do anything. He's the superhero of superheros. He was made in an era when people wanted to read about Mr. Perfect. To be honest, I think just about any do-gooder Joe Schmuck who was 3 inches short of invincible could do the exact same thing he does. Superman as a character never really seems to rise above his superpowers.
He can do anything. He's the superhero of superheros. He was made in an era when people wanted to read about Mr. Perfect. To be honest, I think just about any do-gooder Joe Schmuck who was 3 inches short of invincible could do the exact same thing he does. Superman as a character never really seems to rise above his superpowers.
Ya know wat bothers me is that I know people who dislike Superman, and even Captain America for one reason....they are sincere.
They are men with more traditional values and they legitimately believe in goodness and justice....and people mock them for that. It's sad that our society is so cynical that a person actually believeing in right and wrong, an also holding traditional values(and not pushing them on others) makes them unbelievable.
They are men with more traditional values and they legitimately believe in goodness and justice....and people mock them for that. It's sad that our society is so cynical that a person actually believeing in right and wrong, an also holding traditional values(and not pushing them on others) makes them unbelievable.
I don't like Superman for pretty much the reasons mentioned. Difference is at the end of the day, I weigh up the pros and cons and come down in opposition. I don't like that his powers are explained by him being an alien, which is alright in itself, but looklike a bit of a cheap way out when you consider that they look the f***ing same as humans and it is an excuse for being able to do everything under the sun. Secondly, the powers. I like situational powers, or targeted powers, or themed powers, or having to put some effort in. I don't like just "Oh, well, this guy can lift anything, shoot lasers from his eyes, is pretty much invincible, can fly, turns back f***ing time when he really wants..." No. That's just boring. There's no challenge to using his powers and no reason to innovate because he's like a Swiss army knife in a superhero, and we all know that you don't use the knife for writing if there's already a pen. Third, and finally, I just...don't like cheesy, and corny, and saving the day without a care for your own safety like it's just because you're a good guy. Maybe it's migrant work ethic, but I don't buy it as an actual organism that could actually think, and the stupid grin...! that is in that picture of him in the OP exemplifies this.
So f*** Superman, Batman all the way.
PS: I'm reminded of two things I saw in Superman movies. That one time where he has a bomb and he's not going to put it anywhere because there's a band and a family of ducks around. That's not being a nice guy, that's being f***ing irresponsible. I don't want a superhero that's going to risk letting a bomb go off because of a family of ducks, and I think they're adorable. The other time is when there was a factory on fire, and Superman goes to the nearest lake and just blows on it to freeze it, picks it up (by the very f***ing edge, as if it was magic unbreakable ice), then drops it on the factory and...saves the day. Won't sacrifice a few ducks for a bomb, but f*** fish, and everything else in that lake. And of course, it wouldn't just f***ing melt into a giant sprinkler, with a lake, you'd probably crush the factory and everyone in it before you got any decent defrosting happening. It's just so corny that it makes me want to poke my eyeballs out with a fork.
So f*** Superman, Batman all the way.
PS: I'm reminded of two things I saw in Superman movies. That one time where he has a bomb and he's not going to put it anywhere because there's a band and a family of ducks around. That's not being a nice guy, that's being f***ing irresponsible. I don't want a superhero that's going to risk letting a bomb go off because of a family of ducks, and I think they're adorable. The other time is when there was a factory on fire, and Superman goes to the nearest lake and just blows on it to freeze it, picks it up (by the very f***ing edge, as if it was magic unbreakable ice), then drops it on the factory and...saves the day. Won't sacrifice a few ducks for a bomb, but f*** fish, and everything else in that lake. And of course, it wouldn't just f***ing melt into a giant sprinkler, with a lake, you'd probably crush the factory and everyone in it before you got any decent defrosting happening. It's just so corny that it makes me want to poke my eyeballs out with a fork.