Supreme Court Case Transcripts Now Online

Mr.PlanetEater

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Movies weren't around when the First Amendment was drafted, so why are you using that logic as a point against Video Game protection?
 

Simon1

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Mechsoap said:
i find it incredibly unfair that the only game shown to the court is postal 2. most games stay away from postal 2 since the developers don't feel right about making such games.
Agreed. Most developers avoid stuff like postal so they can sell there games on consoles and not just PCs.
 

Okysho

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Show me a game where the main character sexually assaults someone... seriously! There's no argument there if it doesn't exist
 

Simon1

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Okysho said:
Show me a game where the main character sexually assaults someone... seriously! There's no argument there if it doesn't exist
The only games that I've heard that actually have that stuff are japanese.
 

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Wrds said:
Kalezian said:
I dont know why, but I read that as if it was a game release date......


Schwarzenegger v. EMA, GOTY 2011......
Depending on how this turns out, wouldn't it be hilarious if a studio did make a game based on this court case? I don't know how that would work, but it'd be awesome.
No matter how this ends, I'd say it's a safe bet the next Phoenix Wright title will have several more-or-less veiled in-game references to this case. No way they'd miss that opportunity.
 

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Halyah said:
Okysho said:
Show me a game where the main character sexually assaults someone... seriously! There's no argument there if it doesn't exist
I can think of a few, but they're all japanese games.
Damn it. You ninja'd me!
 

Okysho

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the main character? Enemies maybe, bosses maybe, but a main character?
 

Thorvan

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Alright, read the whole thing; it seems to be leaning towards our side, although the judges were pretty much equally scrutinizing of both arguments. Morazzini ticks me off; it's clear he has absolutely no clue about video games, art, law or, well, anything actually useful. He had no hard evidence, no clear points, and never moved an inch from his views regardless of how stupid they made them sound. Smith was much better at this, and I really think that'll be a significant factor in swing the case our way.

Now, if you'll allow me to rant a bit;

The whole artistic expression bit was absolutely stupid. Although it was kind of shot down, it definitely felt like the consensus was that artistic expression, for a game, lies solely in plot, which is ridiculous. Let's take a game they briefly mentioned in the case; MadWorld. Yes, it has plot, but the plot, being strictly about killing for entertainment, isn't proper artistic expression, right? What about the fantastic art style and animation? What about the depth and nuances of the design of the combat and reward system? What about the fact that the violence actually means something, subtlety brilliant commentary on the obsession we have with violence in media, as well as excellent parody on the crazy amount of violence in modern video games?

That's my main problem with this law; that violence can, and often does, genuinely mean something, and by strangling that, even in such a small way, you genuinely are restricting the expressive possibility of the medium. And for a medium that has just started really getting off the ground this last century, this is the last thing we should do.
 

tlozoot

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Would somebody care to post some of the better bits? I can't seem to load the page.

Would be interested to see the justices argue back at the games industry as well, in the spirit of balance.
 

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z121231211 said:
I really wish they were Televising this right now.
If only...They actually are not allowed to display the Supreme Courtroom on television, at least thats what I was told by the tour guide. Really it looks pretty plain in comparison to some portrales Ive seen in movies.
 

Mcupobob

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This guy as we "gamers" would put it, is getting his ass owned up and down this court.
 

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Irridium said:
The Founding Fathers also never forsaw movies. Or Television. Yet those are protected. So trying to use this argument against games is stupid.

And about the "why shouldn't they pass a law to keep violence out of the hands of 10 year olds?", well the industry already does that. Better then any other industry ever.
But T.V is like a play, neh?
 

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ProfessorLayton said:
That's funny... today is my birthday and I got Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney as a gift. Didn't even mean for that to happen.
That is one of the best things I have heard. Ever.

OT: This law could literally destroy video games as an artistic medium, or at the very least will severely slow its development as such. It is one of the worst things that could possibly happen to video games and art as a whole. I'll devote a long time to studying that transcript.
 

Prof. Monkeypox

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There still a lot of fighting going on. We have some support, but there are harsh criticisms being levied against are argument as well. I was reading the transcripts though and got a feeling of cautious optimism. The opposition has no case (though, that doesn't guarantee a victory for us).
 

GrinningManiac

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very interesting read

Is it just me that found it mildly annoying that they spelt Mortal Kombat "Mortal Combat"?

Must be the gamer in me
 

Infernoshadow211

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I think we're safe. The argument on our side felt much more stable than the opposition, because we weren't getting cut off half the time. And even if we lose, by some miracle, we would have mass petitions across the country.