Surprise Surprise, Germany Shooting Linked To Games

Abedeus

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Yeah. I've heard it on the radio two days after the massarce.

"The police has found out that the boy had violent computer games".

HOLY CRAP NO IDEA! I never would've guessed that a boy with a PC would have violent games!



edit: For crying out loud, I have been ninja'd. I have to play some more violent games, like Geometry Wars.
 

Solivagus

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I would love to see all these people that blame video games look at the millions of other gamers who just sit around and play games. Of course they don't just game, but the sheer amount of people that game on a regular basis (I mean violent video games) and never once seriously considered pointing a gun at a real person is enough to make even the most close-minded pr*ck reconsider their "argument". Boy can dream, though.
 

oneofm4ny

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This maniac had been a patient in a mental institution for some time. He was treated for depression. A fact his parents are denying for good reason: the german prosecution is preparing to charge the father with manslaughter in 16 cases. The used beretta wasn't locked away - an infringement of the german gun laws.

Father and son were members in a local gun club.

Another fact for the stupid media: he was an avid ping-pong player. Connection?

Excuse my bad english. I'm from germany.
 

GyroCaptain

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li-ion said:
Gun-nuts have a stronger lobby than gamers. Politicians want to win elections and apparently the majority of voters still don't know shit about games. So the perfect scapegoat.
To turn around and blame familiarity with firearms for similar reasons games are blamed is very iffy. I'm a practiced handler of firearms and haven't done anything of this type. The fact that they always turn the guns on themselves and shoot other people has as much break from firearms etiquette as from game procedure.
At least some media (e.g. http://www.zeit.de/online/2009/12/killerspiele-verbot-winnenden-waffen - warning, it's german ;)) don't jump on the train to join the burning of witches, but they are few.
"Getötet hat Tim K. mit einer Pistole ? nicht mit der Maustaste" Ganz toll Artikel. Aber, ihr Statement, die Hexen gebrennt waren ist nicht so richtig. Am meistens waren Hexen 'crushed' und 'Heretics' gebrennt. (Apologies for any obvious errors, 'Hay gys I no Germns')

The point I'd like to make is that responsibility for your actions is entirely your own; games didn't brainwash the kid, but neither did anything else.
 

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They call them 'Killergames'. Funny fact, when you turn a first person shooter to a third person shooter everything seems to be okay for them. So there is no problem in playing Gears of War 1/2 and Manhunt 1/2 ... oh wait, these games have been blacklisted, so no german can play it. Yeah, you can go to afghanistan and fight the taliban but you can NOT play Gears of War, that's way too brutal man, have no fear, the government is gonna take care of you.
 

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If he can shoot well it's obviously not because of the way he shot with a fucking controller in his hand, it's cause his dad taught him how to use a gun, stupid assholes, plus Bondage pornography isn't a reason that people murder people, they murder people out of insanity, confusion and depression, not because of a fetish that they've aquired.
 

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Its always a shame when you hear about such a needless loss of life, but people always look for an easy answer, and the easy answer is video games, even though it is the wrong answer.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but the thing that bugs me more than any other point is, the Baretta 92 isn't IN FarCry 2. And I don't remember any of the protagonists wearing black camo. Did they even get multiple sources on him playing the game?
 

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That gamers know a bit more about combat is a given, what matters more is if they're significantly more likely to actually go into combat than non-gamers or if other factors are a more immediate concern (e.g. bullying). It's only natural that at least a few lessons from gaming would apply to the real world but I don't think anyone's claiming games are bad merely because they teach how to behave in a gunfight (e.g. not to blank out after killing one guy when there's five more aiming at you). I also don't think lowering the inhibition to pull the trigger when you're aiming at a human is important (especially the example "soldiers" often cited, for them it's a shoot or die situation, they don't have the option of simply deciding not to fight), deciding to aim at a human in first place is the bigger issue.
 

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GyroCaptain said:
To turn around and blame familiarity with firearms for similar reasons games are blamed is very iffy. I'm a practiced handler of firearms and haven't done anything of this type. The fact that they always turn the guns on themselves and shoot other people has as much break from firearms etiquette as from game procedure.
Let me turn it that way: I think 14 guns in a household are more dangerous than 14 FPS on a harddisk. Personally I don't see any reason why someone should have a gun next to his bed in a normal european city. I understand that in certain areas having a gun gives a feeling of security.

I also don't want to take away a rifle from someone who likes to hunt. But I don't see why someone needs more than a dozen weapons. I like painting, but that doesn't mean that I have 50kg of oil color in my basement. 13 of the weapons were locked up, good. But one pistol wasn't, together with hundreds of bullets. In western european cities there is no need for carrying a firearm around, neither for storing one in your bedroom. You might argue now that if he was nuts he might have found another way of killing people. You can kill someone with a knife as well, any sharp object, or a wooden chair. Of course, but firearms make it easier. I don't think Tim K. would have done that much harm with a kitchen knife and harsh language.

My father was with the police for 40 years. He never let a gun unlocked at home. When he had to store his pistol at home (because he was on standby for example) he locked it up with the clip in a seperate place. He always told me a gun at home is too dangerous and there is no need for it. That is what I call responsible gun owner. Someone who keeps a pistol with hundreds of bullets unlocked is not what I called a responsible gun owner. I lived next door to a prison for 3 years (cheap rent). Neither I nor one of my neighbours had a gun or felt that we need one. I lived in a red light district for 4 years (also cheap rent). No need for a gun either.

"Getötet hat Tim K. mit einer Pistole ? nicht mit der Maustaste" Ganz toll Artikel. Aber, ihr Statement, die Hexen gebrennt waren ist nicht so richtig. Am meistens waren Hexen 'crushed' und 'Heretics' gebrennt. (Apologies for any obvious errors, 'Hay gys I no Germns')
Burning of witches was very common in west and central europe for some time. But true, heretics (Ketzer ;-)) have been considered more dangerous than witches and were hunted. But as far as I know they burned both.
But nice to see someone understanding german ;-)

The point I'd like to make is that responsibility for your actions is entirely your own; games didn't brainwash the kid, but neither did anything else.
Of course, that is one of the points of the article I linked to: blaming computer games (or firearms or toasted bacon or McDonalds or whatever) is the search for an easy solution. Only problem: it isn't one. But in times like these everyone wants to have an easy solution for everything, neglecting the fact that life is complex and when there is a simple solution, it's usually wrong.
 

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Thank god those newspaper men don't think that video games make shoot people, and points out all the other violent influences and his recent mental state and such. Thank you for not all being fear mongerers, news papers.
 

Bigsmith

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Its a simple thing. The government blame games for it in an attempt to make perants think that games are bad and prevent their son/duaghter from playing them. And every time I hear a violence to video games link I laugh. I laugh so hard it hurts the person I am laughing at. But thats not the point. The point is that governments need to start pulling there head out of the possible mordern cuases of the crimes and look at the more logical way of thinking, and since we are not in a video game logic is the best way forward. The problem with this is that logic in this world is blaming the newest thing which is video gaming. In the Middleages you were killed if you thought sceintifical though there was nothing wrong with it, now games are blamed if the person commiting the crime has a computer with a graphic card that can run anything over 8bit graphics.
 

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L.B. Jeffries said:
Mark David Chapman obsessively read Catcher in the Rye before shooting John Lennon. Does reading Salinger make people want to kill celebrities?

Timothy McVeigh's favorite flavor of ice cream was Ben & Jerry's Mint Chocolate Chip. He had two pints before he was executed. Does eating it make me want to blow up Federal buildings?

Jeffrey Dahmer's favorite horror film is Hellraiser III. Does watching it make me want to murder and eat people?

Last time I checked, no. Neither did playing Far Cry 2 make me want to go on a shooting spree.
Strangely enough, I was talking about this earlier with my girlfriend and we noticed that rarely is violence blamed on literature or any other art forms. Imagine someone becoming a killer from looking at a Da Vinci for hours.

I think that as gaming becomes more popular, more stories like this will develop to fuel the moral panic that videogames are corrupting our souls.

Arbre said:
Hell, I have killed millions of people. Not only people. All sorts of creatures, sentient or not. Was there passion in that? Oh yes, there was. I LOVED it. I did not feel an ounce of remorse. Corpses of all shapes and colours, writhing or exploding in geysers of bitmap fluids. Countless houses and buildings left burning in my wake.
Same here, I have possibly ended more lives in the gaming world than any war on Earth, yet not once have I felt aggressive towards people, hell I haven't even been in any real fights because I am not that kind of person. People need to learn that if anything games are a release for aggression, not causes.
 

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The times hate anything remotely linked to fun

if they listens to music thats heavier then the jonas brothers, THEY ARE DEVILS!

i read this after playing a few hours of resident evil and listening to metal, i have no intentions of going into school with a gun and shooting people in my sixth form, at all, its crazy, i think the times do it for kicks sometimes