Survey Says Japanese Dislike Shooters
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"We accept the Japanese products that appeal to us, and ignore those that don't. They don't return the favor. It's a one way street. Unless they just happen to hate every single product ever created by a non-Japanese, then I think it's safe to say that there's some xenophobia at play."
so wait
an alternate explanation has been provided by Famitsu magazine as to why fps don't appeal to the japanese
you're claiming that the japanese are xenophobic despite an alternate explanation existing
with no evidence whatsoever
tell me again why that statement has any weight at all
"The Japanese teach their children that they are members of the master race."
Where are you geting this information.
"So why don't they import anything? Because everything foreign is viewed negatively. "
WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION
" In Japan, there is no negative stigma attached to having a bigoted attitude towards the rest of the world."
WHERE ARE YOU GETTTTTTTIINNNNGGG THIS INFORMATION
so wait
an alternate explanation has been provided by Famitsu magazine as to why fps don't appeal to the japanese
you're claiming that the japanese are xenophobic despite an alternate explanation existing
with no evidence whatsoever
tell me again why that statement has any weight at all
"The Japanese teach their children that they are members of the master race."
Where are you geting this information.
"So why don't they import anything? Because everything foreign is viewed negatively. "
WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION
" In Japan, there is no negative stigma attached to having a bigoted attitude towards the rest of the world."
WHERE ARE YOU GETTTTTTTIINNNNGGG THIS INFORMATION
Can we start attributing the failure of dating sims to western xenophobia now
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This struck a chord with me. These are good messages, but growing up in America makes you want to shout "for the love of the lord tone it down a little!"UpInSmoke said:
As for relations between America and France, France hasn't really done anything since WWII except hate America. I won't discuss who started it or who is right, but the French (well, Parisians at least) hate America more than Americans could ever dream of hating them back.
I have to agree with UpinSmoke and Jake on this one. I remember playing with Japanese gamers in college (exchange students) and they LOVED Call of Duty 4, especially the multiplayer. But they said they wouldn't get it in Japan, even though the game is available over there.
Some of them weren't keen at first though and they kept giving excuses...
"It's just shooting right? Isn't that boring?"
"There's no story."
"I'll be bad at it."
blah blah blah...
One of them I was close to did finally relent that a part of it was that they were American games. There is a sense of, "These are games for us, those are games for them."
But after they started playing they realized that our shooters were fun as hell.
It was frustrating though. Unless we were ALL playing the same game, none of them would play, hence why we had to stick with CoD4 and to a lesser extent Halo3. It was that groupthink mentality.
If it had just been one of two Americans they probably wouldn't have played, but since we outnumbered them they gave in.
...Christ that sounds really bad, but it's the truth.
Some of them weren't keen at first though and they kept giving excuses...
"It's just shooting right? Isn't that boring?"
"There's no story."
"I'll be bad at it."
blah blah blah...
One of them I was close to did finally relent that a part of it was that they were American games. There is a sense of, "These are games for us, those are games for them."
But after they started playing they realized that our shooters were fun as hell.
It was frustrating though. Unless we were ALL playing the same game, none of them would play, hence why we had to stick with CoD4 and to a lesser extent Halo3. It was that groupthink mentality.
If it had just been one of two Americans they probably wouldn't have played, but since we outnumbered them they gave in.
...Christ that sounds really bad, but it's the truth.
Anecdotal Evidence doesn't count as evidence.
Just because you know TWO Japanese people (Out of the 127,433,494) does not make the genre popular, nor does it make the genre disliked because because of xenophobia.
Just because a genre fairs poorly doesn't mean that nobody will like it, the reason is because so little people play it that the cost of localizing it releasing it in japan (complete with marketing) may not just be profitable.
I knew a guy who lived to be 94 and he smoked heavily every day since he was 14, this does not mean that heavy smoking will make you live a long time.
Also, Peer Pressure is more powerful than you think, for all we know they could've PRETENDED to like it just to fit in. The Tobacco Industry relies on peer pressure to help with their "Turnover Rate"
Just because you know TWO Japanese people (Out of the 127,433,494) does not make the genre popular, nor does it make the genre disliked because because of xenophobia.
Just because a genre fairs poorly doesn't mean that nobody will like it, the reason is because so little people play it that the cost of localizing it releasing it in japan (complete with marketing) may not just be profitable.
I knew a guy who lived to be 94 and he smoked heavily every day since he was 14, this does not mean that heavy smoking will make you live a long time.
Also, Peer Pressure is more powerful than you think, for all we know they could've PRETENDED to like it just to fit in. The Tobacco Industry relies on peer pressure to help with their "Turnover Rate"
I appear to be the only Japanese person in this entire discussion, and I can confidently say that you are wrong and that you don't have any proof of this. Am I the one who's wrong? Disprove me now if I am.
Us Japanese are xenophobic. That is a fact and denying it would be futile. But just because we are xenophobic does not mean that we are ethnocentric. If you look around Tokyo, you can see that we have taken a whole lot of western influence, and taken our own spin on it. Granted, I have had an American education, and I also went through the dogma concerning America's incredible and multi-ethnic lack of bias. As I grew into the teenager that I am, though, I saw something. The USA takes its lack of an explicit bias, and uses it to feed the largest and most disgusting implicit bias that I have ever seen.
Us Japanese do not teach our children that we are the best in the world. We are a proud people, but everyone seems to forget that we are proud because of a simple reason: We work hard for it. Everyone has their place in society, and they work to the best of their abilities to fufill it. We tirelessely strive to deserve our beliefs. It gives us something to aim for. That is, in a sense, our version of Capitalism.
As for the general unpopularity of the shooter genre, suffice to say that we're just not into that kind of thing. You have your preferences, and we have ours. Deal with it.
Sorry if I come off as a raving asshole sometimes. I just feel like Americans catch an unfair amount of shit on this site (and in the world in general) and it makes me defensive. Some of you really seem to think that the average American is white, carries a gun, watches violent television, hates other ethnic groups, lives off of junk food, drives an SUV, and supports endless wars of conquest in the middle east. It's just not true.
America is just such a physically huge and diverse place that it's just crazy to throw around the 'typical american' stereotype when there really isn't any such thing. Shit, I don't even know anybody who owns a gun or voted for Bush. I live near the Mexican border. The 'average american' here has almost nothing in common with the 'average american' living in New York, or Florida etc.
Yes, there a lot of stupid Americans. In my experience, stupid people will always outnumber (and outbreed) the intelligent ones, but that's hardly an issue that's unique to America.
America is just such a physically huge and diverse place that it's just crazy to throw around the 'typical american' stereotype when there really isn't any such thing. Shit, I don't even know anybody who owns a gun or voted for Bush. I live near the Mexican border. The 'average american' here has almost nothing in common with the 'average american' living in New York, or Florida etc.
Yes, there a lot of stupid Americans. In my experience, stupid people will always outnumber (and outbreed) the intelligent ones, but that's hardly an issue that's unique to America.
The reasons that the Japanese don't like FPS is because
A) there isn't an FPS with a gay looking main character with millions of belts and zipper acting as clothing
B) there usually isn't a heavy focus on characters and story in FPS games
C) most FPS games probably aren't linear enough for the Japanese
D) the Japanese, for some weird reason, don't have the desire to play online with other people, which is a huge part of the FPS genre
If someone made an FPS that featured animu girls, an emo main character, a billion lines of dialog and featured an arrow that always tells you were to move, it would sell millions in Japan.
Also, the Japanese are very xenophobic, but I doubt it's a significant reason for their dislike of FPS games.
A) there isn't an FPS with a gay looking main character with millions of belts and zipper acting as clothing
B) there usually isn't a heavy focus on characters and story in FPS games
C) most FPS games probably aren't linear enough for the Japanese
D) the Japanese, for some weird reason, don't have the desire to play online with other people, which is a huge part of the FPS genre
If someone made an FPS that featured animu girls, an emo main character, a billion lines of dialog and featured an arrow that always tells you were to move, it would sell millions in Japan.
Also, the Japanese are very xenophobic, but I doubt it's a significant reason for their dislike of FPS games.
Right. Let's get one thing straight: Up until about the mid-20th century, Japan has been very xenophobic and bigoted nation. Even now, you do still have a large population of them like that.
That being said, you can't attribute the lack of reception to FPSs and TPSs on xenophobia alone. There are a lot more factors, such as what Zoro mentioned about them not liking our stagnation of FPSs, cultural differences, and, well, they just don't like shooters.
That being said, I do reckon that a JFPS would sell a lot better in Japan. But, it would be because it was tailored to the Japanese market, and not some shitty port.
That being said, you can't attribute the lack of reception to FPSs and TPSs on xenophobia alone. There are a lot more factors, such as what Zoro mentioned about them not liking our stagnation of FPSs, cultural differences, and, well, they just don't like shooters.
That being said, I do reckon that a JFPS would sell a lot better in Japan. But, it would be because it was tailored to the Japanese market, and not some shitty port.