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don't forget Switch is also getting Playstation's *exclusive* games now.cathou said:
it's also heavily rumored that Nintendo is going to announce the Switch version of Spyro reignited trilogy at E3 alongside an announce for Crash and Spyro as playable characters in Super Smash Bros.
The Switch (or any gaming platform) just getting a few multiplatform games isn't acceptable and just can't become a primary platform with that kinda support. When another gaming platform doesn't get a game is almost always to do with some exclusivity deal and is also exception to the rule that is getting basically every game.Seth Carter said:
Well, let's seePhoenixmgs said:
Divinity - https://gonintendo.com/stories/291437-divinity-original-sin-2-devs-interested-in-bringing-the-game-to
I am, as a disclaimer, not a modern professional game developer. But I'd imagine there's come complications to the consoles, as close as they currently sit to PC, where the code isn't just drag'n'drop across all of them. Divinity isn't even porting onto the other two consoles until August of this year, so thats just a timetable thing in all likelihood. They might even get a better initial version, a la Xbox starting out with No Mans Sky actual for realsies 2 years later edition, or how Warframe's delay in updates hitting consoles tends to include some smoothing out of issues that the PC crowd found.
Shadow Tactics - https://wccftech.com/shadow-tactics-challenge-console-ports/
Also looking into it, though a bit more of a gloomy forecast. Suffered a bit of a performance cut even on the Ps4/XB1, and they seem worried about trying to keep it as the proper experience.
Invisible Inc - No specific literature, but Invisible Inc has been a legacy project for basically as long as Switch has been a thought. It runs on an iPad, so I doubt its a technical infeasbility. But Klei moved on to Don't Starve Together and 3 upcoming projects so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one popping up unless they do some sort of collection release (Don't Starve itself was already on Wii U).
As to the big boys.
Activision is putting some remastered stuff out. EA does have FIFA18 on Switch, and sort of stated it was a test run when interviewed about the latest Need for Speed coming to it.. TakeTwo also actually did put out WWE and NBA 2k18 on it.
So the missing stuff there is COD, Destiny, Battlefield, and GTA (and Battleborn, but no suprise if they're just trying to shove that one in the dustbin at this point).
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/04/rumour_call_of_duty_might_be_headed_to_nintendo_switch_but_only_as_a_fortnite-style_battle_royale
^CoD Rumors, so take that with a grain of salt. As for Destiny, Bungie's technical-not-so-wizards are having enough seeming struggles keeping any kind of pace with what they're already doing without adding a 4th version.
Besides EA wanting some experimental success with FIFA, there's also the arguable idea right now that Nintendo might not want to bother dealing with EA and their current kicking and screaming with the legislative hornets test against lootbox gambling. Big N does still kind of hold on to its family friendly image after all. Whether Battlefield can or can't possibly work on the console is probably tertiary to those points.
GTA, well if we're operating on the Switch being in-between PS3 and PS4 in pwoer, GTA 5 was already on last gen. I forget if there was a cutoff point in GTA:Online's content where you had to have current gen/PC or not. Borderlands 3 is kind of a curiousity, because if Bethesda (who clearly are willing to port stuff) actually gets Rage 2 off the ground and puts it there, there's an obvious comparison.
Ubisoft and Square are of course, slushing a plethora of their midtier/faux-indie games onto Switch. But yeah, there's an obvious question of AC/Far Cry/Final Fantasy/Tomb Raider. On a rough developmental timeline, those probably (in FF15's case, definitely) all were being developed before SWitch became a thing,so there would be a porting delay.
I just don't see a Nintendo system becoming a primary gaming platform when every system is behind a generation hardware-wise. The more games any system gets the better. But I knew when I bought a PS4, I would basically be getting every game. The PS4 has even got basically most PC games that would normally been exclusives that I didn't expect probably due to both Sony and MS making consoles with a good amount of RAM along with the x86 architecture. Just about every game the Switch has gotten has been very expected and in line with its capabilities whether its port of Doom due to VR edition or sports games, which are very easy to downgrade due to having a set amount of players on screen at once as many sports titles already still release on last-gen systems.Seth Carter said:
The following Destiny 2 video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZXABh6M8BA] is really interesting and quite shocking if only half of the video is true, which makes Bungie look like technical buffoons. One thing claimed by the video is that it took 8 hours for Bungie to load a map to make any edits.
Thats been the running narrative for awhile now, yeah. Besides their seeming inability to keep writing and gameplay design on a single course, they somehow developed an engine that is literally impossible to develop content at enough of a pace to keep their Activision contract DLC schedule (while still delivering DLC that's hypotehtically of any worth). SO Bungie opted to shove microtransactions in to hit their targets while delaying or cancelling planned DLC. Then in Destiny 2 apparently just decided to keep microtransactions, and release horrifically underdeveloped DLC (Warmind has only 2 hours of content for 20-25 bucks)Phoenixmgs said:
It means the Switch is just about everyone's 2nd gaming platform at best. Sure, SOME people are fine with just Nintendo games but that is a very low % of gamers. The type of games that do get played basically exclusively by people are not the type of games Nintendo makes but yearly releases or service type games like a COD, FIFA, CSGO, still WoW, Fortnite, GTA Onine, etc. Some people are very into specific genres whether it be shooters, RPGs, sports games, strategy games. Nintendo games don't fall into either category. How many people exclusively only play EA, Activision, Sony, Take Two games? People stick to comfort zones and the type of game is far more important than the publisher/developer. Thus making a variety of games, which is good, is not going to cause a sizable amount of gamers to play only your games exclusively. Smash and Splatoon are the only Nintendo games that probably even have dedicated long-term communities and even then they aren't nearly that big. Monster Hunter probably has the biggest long-term community on Nintendo systems and it's not even a Nintendo game.Yoshi178 said:
Mario Kart would be the other one. And Pokemon (though thats more of a DS thing? Though so was Monster Hunter).Phoenixmgs said:
Still, there's definitely some sort Nintendo demographic. There's been clones of Mario Kart and Smash elsewhere, but they never really amount to much. They have their finger on some sort of pulse, and as yet, no one has really replicated despite all the PSABRs, LBP:Rs, Fables, etc. So until someone figures out the secret sauce ingredient or whatever, they can prettymuch run on their own limits.
Much the same could be said about Monster Hunter really. There's been lots of games that aspire to be Monster Hunter (Whether blatantly like God Eater or upcomer Dauntless, or more tangential like Evolve), but for whatever reason they've just maintained their dominance despite being off in Nintendoland while those were available on a wider scale)
How do you know that everyone who plays those games aren't just playing those games casually while having the Nintendo Switch as their primary device? a person who owns multiple platforms could easily have Nintendo as their *primary* platform of choice while the Xbox/PS4 are just the afterthought that don't get touched as much?Phoenixmgs said:
Shooters - Splatoon 2, DOOM, Wolfenstein 2, Metroid Prime 4Phoenixmgs said:
RPG's - Xenoblade Chronicles, Octopath Traveller
Sports games - Mario Tennis Ace's, FIFA, WWE 2K, Rocket League
Strategy games - Fire Emblem.
those 11 games literally fall under all of those categories you just listed and are all either already on the Switch, or confirmed to be coming soon.
People love Splatoon and Splatoon can easily be enjoyed and played much more than other 3rd Party Shooters like DOOM or GTA which you can play on PS4/Xbox.
one of my friends is an artist who normally plays Playstation Games like Life is Strange, since she got a Switch for Christmas she can't shut up about or stop drawing Splatoon 2 stuff.
point is the Switch can just as easily be someone's "primary" system as a PS4/Xbox can. claiming it can't be is completely your subjective opinion and nothing more than that.
Well, we don't actually know what Prime 4 is going to be, plus Doom and Wolfenstein are 3rd party as well as most of those sports games. However, Nintendo does still have a plethora of genres represented which has been increasing for years.Yoshi178 said:
Platformer: Donkey Kong, Kirby, Mario
RPG: Xenoblade, Octopath Traveler
Adventure: Zelda
Shooter: Splatoon 2
Strategy: Fire Emblem
Fighting: Pokken Tournament DX, ARMS
Hack and Slash: Hyrule Warriors, Fire Emblem Warriors, Bayonetta 2
Racing: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
And that's before getting third party fare like Doom, Wolfenstein II, Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, Battlechasers, Disgaea 1 Complete and so on. Nintendo can sustain a person in terms of product.
yeah it's clearly going to something COMPLETELY different to the last 3 main entries in the Metroid Prime series. is probably going to be a minigame collection or something similar and won't resemble the first 3 Metroid Prime games at all.Aiddon said:
/sarcasm
news flash, so are those PS4/Xbox games that Phoenix listed like GTA and Fortnite.Aiddon said:
Why do 3rd Party games like GTA seem to count when talking about PS4 & Xbox but 3rd Party games suddenly don't count anymore once we start talking about a Nintendo system and mention games like DOOM?
Next people are gonna be telling me that stuff like DOOM doesn't count because it's a 2 year old game even though GTA 5 came out 5 years ago LMAO.
I could be totally wrong but Mario Kart doesn't seem like a game that would be played daily/weekly by a significant amount of players. It seems like one of those games you might play a lot when you get it, then pop it in every so often afterwards for a quick bit of fun or during a party type situation. I did forget about Pokemon but again that seems like a game most will play to completion (story completion) and then play again when the new one comes out, which is one a gen I think. I know Pokemon has PvP battles and stuff but I'm guessing most players don't care about that like how a small portion of Souls fans care about PvP. I wouldn't think a significant portion of Pokemon players care about actually catching them all either. Although I could be totally wrong. I could see Pokemon being that type of game but not Mario Kart.Seth Carter said:
Monster Hunter is basically a "service" game built around a massive Skinner box to have people continually play it. Gamers are "cool" with MH because Capcom hasn't monetized it yet but it's Skinner boxes are probably even worse than stuff like Destiny. Hell, I quit playing World because of the Skinner boxes, I realized it's going to take probably hundreds of hours getting certain drops to just try out a single build shortly after getting to end-game.
Just about every game I listed came out prior to the Switch. And yeah, millions of people are playing Fortnite daily just casually waiting for Nintendo's next big release [/sarcasm] Also, a game like PUBG that came out the same month as the Switch has sold more copies than the Switch itself. Even if somehow every single Switch sold is the primary gaming console for every person that bought it; there will be so many more gamers whose primary platform isn't a Switch because the Switch has only sold around 15 million. The numbers don't even come close to working out. Even then we all know how poor multiplats have sold on Nintendo systems so I very much doubt the Switch is the primary console for many people that bought it. Sure, when a Zelda or Mario comes out, it sells like hotcakes, but that is mainly people dusting of their Nintendo systems to play the occasional Nintendo game while heading back to their primary platform to play everything else.Yoshi178 said:
You didn't get what I said. Gamers aren't going to play games exclusively from a specific publisher that makes a variety of genres. I doubt there's a single gamer that is only interested in playing Sony games and nothing else because Sony, like Nintendo, puts out a variety of games/genres. Whereas some gamers may just play Bethesda or Rockstar games since both devs repeatedly make a very similar type of game.Yoshi178 said:
For someone that is only into shooters and wants to play the best shooter games, do you actually think the Switch is going to satisfy their needs? Or do you think only playing Nintendo games is going to satisfy them with only Splatoon (and later on Metroid)? Sure, the Switch has some shooters but there is hardly much choice while also having none of the shooters that have the massive player counts and popularity. Same issue with just about every other genre.
When people say they want 3rd party support from Nintendo they usually mean they want the ability to play games that are out right now, not 2 to 15 years old (because you mentioned Disgaea). Dark Souls, the pride and joy of the "See, Nintendo's also hip" crowd is 7 years old. Handpicking scraps in order to boast a 3rd party support doesn't cut it. The fact is 3rd party support isn't actual, probably will never be actual, is definitely not as actual as it was 20-25 years ago. And it's a shame because it's what most people want from Nintendo.Aiddon said:
Yep, basically this. If Nintendo and Sony systems both had the same library of multiplats, I would very much have to consider a Nintendo system being my primary gaming platform. Now, it's a really easy choice, which is good but also bad because competition is a good thing. Microsoft basically has no 1st-party support anymore and Nintendo has barely any CURRENT 3rd-party support so Sony wins basically by default.Johnny Novgorod said:
pretty sure most people prefer having variety over just sticking with 1 type of genre.Phoenixmgs said:
hell that's what most people were whinging about Nintendo for previously. for only having 1st Party release's on their Systems and nothing else. people even laughed at me last year on this forum year when i predicted that 3rd Party support would only get better and better for the Switch if the console kept up it's sales momentum. and i was right, 3rd Party titles are now constantly being announced for Nintendo Switch and the Switches 3rd Party library is already much bigger than it was this time last year. and when E3 rolls around in a couple of weeks that list should only get even bigger.
that's interesting because from what i've been reading in the news, most 3rd Party publishers have been really happy with their game sales on Nintendo Switch. Particularly Ubisoft and Capcom.Phoenixmgs said:
Capcom was even saying last year in August that Street Fighter II was doing very well when it had sold 450,000 copies. sure that's not a mind blowing number like Mario Kart 8 DX's 9 million sales figure. but Street Fighter II's sales definitely aren't anything to scoff at either since that's a 25 year old, that was released on a System that had only been on the market for 5 months at that point.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...es_figures_is_still_evaluating_switch_support
I'm just saying there are quite a portion of gamers that do only play one type of game like shooters or RPGs or sports games. Lots of people sorta move from one shooter to another or say move from PUBG to Fortnite. Just think of those millions that only played WoW for X amount of years. Some people just like say FIFA or Madden or The Show. Nintendo's systems totally don't cater to those gamers, which are in the minority for sure but still a rather big portion of the gamer community. Having only 1st-party games is a major problem unless Nintendo or whoever did actually make the very best games in every genre, which nobody does whether we are talking Sony/Nintendo/MS.Yoshi178 said:
Again, gamers want CURRENT/NEW 3rd-party games. Getting the 1st Dark Souls or Skyrim or SFII isn't helping much in that regard. Sure, SFII sold a good amount on the Switch but Doom hasn't even sold as much on the Switch as SFII has sold because just about everyone that wanted to play it already played it. Will I be able to play GAME XYZ that is the new flavor-of-the-month on the Switch? Almost certainly not unless it's a Nintendo game like Zelda. That's the problem.
Except, historically speaking, that's been complete bullshit. It's what people CLAIM they want from Nintendo and, as has been painfully obvious many, many, MANY times over the years, people don't really know what they want. And even with that, the 3rd party offerings keep increasing. And even even with that with that, 3rd parties are in a weird phase right now, specifically the Western ones. That's why I had to laugh back when people were saying Nintendo needed to cater to companies like EA, Ubisoft, Acitivision, etc. Those companies' release schedules and IP pools are TEPID. They just don't release enough product as much, getting one, two, maybe three big titles with basically nothing else throughout the year. What's the point in pandering to those schmucks when they can find other partners?Phoenixmgs said:
And hovering over all this is the painfully obvious, painfully awkward truth no one wants to say that this argument revolves around and is summarized thus: "I'm mad that Nintendo is not catering exclusively to me and doesn't treat me as the center of the universe." This is the same, cancerous behavior that has been aimed at Nintendo (and in fact gaming as a whole) for over a decade now. It's indefensible, it's creepy, and it's just plain stupid.
Okay, so Nintendo isn't doing what geeks specifically want. Guess what, they have a choice: leave. No one is holding a gun to their head. They can leave at any time and spend their money elsewhere. Yelling at Nintendo like some asshole bitter as his ex getting on with her life is both pointless and pathetic.
Aiddon said:
Hard to pin it on a "me" problem when 50% of everybody wants the same thing.
GameFAQs is where Nintendo routinely wins GOTY every year, so consider that before you go with haters gonna hate.
Of course there's that other argument of yours about people not knowing what they want.That apply to everybody but you?