Switch Online Service.

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Yep, basically this. If Nintendo and Sony systems both had the same library of multiplats, I would very much have to consider a Nintendo system being my primary gaming platform. Now, it's a really easy choice, which is good but also bad because competition is a good thing. Microsoft basically has no 1st-party support anymore and Nintendo has barely any CURRENT 3rd-party support so Sony wins basically by default.

Except, historically speaking, that's been complete bullshit. It's what people CLAIM they want from Nintendo and, as has been painfully obvious many, many, MANY times over the years, people don't really know what they want. And even with that, the 3rd party offerings keep increasing. And even even with that with that, 3rd parties are in a weird phase right now, specifically the Western ones. That's why I had to laugh back when people were saying Nintendo needed to cater to companies like EA, Ubisoft, Acitivision, etc. Those companies' release schedules and IP pools are TEPID. They just don't release enough product as much, getting one, two, maybe three big titles with basically nothing else throughout the year. What's the point in pandering to those schmucks when they can find other partners?

And hovering over all this is the painfully obvious, painfully awkward truth no one wants to say that this argument revolves around and is summarized thus: "I'm mad that Nintendo is not catering exclusively to me and doesn't treat me as the center of the universe." This is the same, cancerous behavior that has been aimed at Nintendo (and in fact gaming as a whole) for over a decade now. It's indefensible, it's creepy, and it's just plain stupid.

Okay, so Nintendo isn't doing what geeks specifically want. Guess what, they have a choice: leave. No one is holding a gun to their head. They can leave at any time and spend their money elsewhere. Yelling at Nintendo like some asshole bitter as his ex getting on with her life is both pointless and pathetic.

But that is exactly what I want as I haven't had a Nintendo system since SNES and why I've bought PlayStations since for the exact reasons I've mentioned. I don't think Nintendo necessarily has to pander to the likes of EA or Ubisoft or Activision. Why can't they just make a system that has the hardware power in the same neighborhood as Sony/Microsoft along with an x86 architecture that makes it simple to port games over? If it sells at the pace the Switch is selling, I don't see why the EAs/Ubisofts/Activisions wouldn't port games over to the system. PS4/Xbone is getting tons of games that would've normally been PC exclusive in the past but now that both systems have RAM along with the same architecture that even Kickstarted games are getting releases on PS4/Xbone. Are Sony/Microsoft somehow pandering to those devs that I don't know about or is it just simply they made a developer friendly system?

 

[Yoshi178]

Again, gamers want CURRENT/NEW 3rd-party games. Getting the 1st Dark Souls or Skyrim or SFII isn't helping much in that regard.

you literally just said this:

The type of games that do get played basically exclusively by people are not the type of games Nintendo makes but yearly releases or service type games like a COD, FIFA, CSGO, still WoW, Fortnite, GTA Online, etc.

CSGO and GTA V are both extremely old games. JUST like Skyrim and Dark Souls are.

I'll give you the other 3 games you listed. but don't act like it's impossible for the Switch to get COD or Fortnite. Fortnite is actually a frequent title that's been popping up in rumors and leak discussions recently, the rumour is that Epic Games plans to announce a Switch version of it at E3, and before you say "they're just rumours" to me, Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy for the Switch and Xbox One was also just a rumor until it was officially revealed a couple of months ago.
And COD isn't announced to be coming to Switch yet of course, but that's the key word *yet*. sure COD may not be on the Switch at the moment, but that franchise was on the Wii and even the Wii U. but the Wii U didn't have any where as much sales and Support as what Switch already has now did it?


you're just being impatient and want every single 3rd Party franchise on Nintendo Switch immediately otherwise in your eyes "Nintendo doesn't get 3rd Party support". Business doesn't work that way though, Nintendo needs to build confidence in 3rd Parties that the Switch will be a good system to invest money & development resources into so that 3rd Parties can actually make a Profit by making games for Switch. that doesn't happen overnight.


But Nintendo has already made very good progress with 3rd Parties with the Nintendo Switch so far. sure there's some ports of old games like Dark Souls 1 and Skyrim on there, but there's also modern stuff that's been getting announced for the system as well like DOOM, Wolfenstein II, South Park the Franctured but Whole and even so called PS4 "exclusive" Crash Bandicoot N-Sane trilogy.

and the Switch has only been out the market for 15 months now. the library will only get bigger and bigger. and i would put money on more 3rd Party stuff coming to the Switch getting announced at E3 in 2 weeks.

 

[sXeth]

so called PS4 "exclusive" Crash Bandicoot N-Sane trilogy.

You keep bringing that up, but was that ever somehow confused? The announcement literally said "coming to PS4 first".

Most anyoen with basic internet skills knows that Crash isn't a 1st party title for Sony, and even the casual market probably got the hint when it sparked up around PS-All Stars when he wasn't in it.

 

[Yoshi178]

so called PS4 "exclusive" Crash Bandicoot N-Sane trilogy.

You keep bringing that up, but was that ever somehow confused? The announcement literally said "coming to PS4 first".

i don't see any words along those lines in this trailer



or this trailer


or this trailer



etc....




yeah Crash has been 3rd Party for awhile now, but only since the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era. most people were completely convinced that the Original Crash Bandicoot trilogy remaster was going to stay a Playstation exclusive. they thought the same about the Spyro Trilogy too until the Switch & Xbox versions of the Crash N-Sane trilogy got announced in March 2018.


Another big rumor going around at the moment is that the Spyro Reignited Trilogy is going to be announced for the Switch at E3 where Nintendo will reveal it alongside Crash & Spyro being playable characters in Super Smash Bros.
Still just a rumor at this point, but the Spyro Reignited trilogy was officially listed on Nintendo UK's official website before quickly being taken down which does give some credibility to this "leak".

 

[sXeth]

so called PS4 "exclusive" Crash Bandicoot N-Sane trilogy.

You keep bringing that up, but was that ever somehow confused? The announcement literally said "coming to PS4 first".

i don't see any words along those lines in this trailer


*snip*

Yeah, even the Playstation trailer (which is not the Activision announcement) omits the "Only on" that's used exclusives in its stingers. Its got the same stingers Destiny had in TV spots because Sony tossed them a bunch of money for specific promotion of their platform.

I didn't bother with the rest of the lot particularly, given the second link is literally titled PS4/Switch/Xbox One in the title itself.

 

[Yoshi178]

so called PS4 "exclusive" Crash Bandicoot N-Sane trilogy.

You keep bringing that up, but was that ever somehow confused? The announcement literally said "coming to PS4 first".

i don't see any words along those lines in this trailer

*snip*

Yeah, even the Playstation trailer (which is not the Activision announcement) omits the "Only on" that's used exclusives in its stingers. Its got the same stingers Destiny had in TV spots because Sony tossed them a bunch of money for specific promotion of their platform.

I didn't bother with the rest of the lot particularly, given the second link is literally titled PS4/Switch/Xbox One in the title itself.

my bad . that second trailer i didn't pay enough attetion. i just searched into youtube PS4 Crash Bandicoot trailers and tried to pick out a bunch of old trailers from 2016 and 2017. missed that one being released in 2018. edited and removed that one from the post.

but it'd be good if you could link me an Activision specfic trailer from 2017 or 2016 that shows indicates that "coming to PS4 first" line. all i remember is those early trailers Sony was promoting originally for the game didn't show any indication of the N-Sane Trilogy coming to the other platforms as well as PS4

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Again, gamers want CURRENT/NEW 3rd-party games. Getting the 1st Dark Souls or Skyrim or SFII isn't helping much in that regard.

you literally just said this:

The type of games that do get played basically exclusively by people are not the type of games Nintendo makes but yearly releases or service type games like a COD, FIFA, CSGO, still WoW, Fortnite, GTA Online, etc.

CSGO and GTA V are both extremely old games. JUST like Skyrim and Dark Souls are.

I'll give you the other 3 games you listed. but don't act like it's impossible for the Switch to get COD or Fortnite. Fortnite is actually a frequent title that's been popping up in rumors and leak discussions recently, the rumour is that Epic Games plans to announce a Switch version of it at E3, and before you say "they're just rumours" to me, Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy for the Switch and Xbox One was also just a rumor until it was officially revealed a couple of months ago.
And COD isn't announced to be coming to Switch yet of course, but that's the key word *yet*. sure COD may not be on the Switch at the moment, but that franchise was on the Wii and even the Wii U. but the Wii U didn't have any where as much sales and Support as what Switch already has now did it?

you're just being impatient and want every single 3rd Party franchise on Nintendo Switch immediately otherwise in your eyes "Nintendo doesn't get 3rd Party support". Business doesn't work that way though, Nintendo needs to build confidence in 3rd Parties that the Switch will be a good system to invest money & development resources into so that 3rd Parties can actually make a Profit by making games for Switch. that doesn't happen overnight.

But Nintendo has already made very good progress with 3rd Parties with the Nintendo Switch so far. sure there's some ports of old games like Dark Souls 1 and Skyrim on there, but there's also modern stuff that's been getting announced for the system as well like DOOM, Wolfenstein II, South Park the Franctured but Whole and even so called PS4 "exclusive" Crash Bandicoot N-Sane trilogy.

and the Switch has only been out the market for 15 months now. the library will only get bigger and bigger. and i would put money on more 3rd Party stuff coming to the Switch getting announced at E3 in 2 weeks.

The main point isn't that Nintendo doesn't have older games like CSGO or GTA Online, but will it get the next CSGO or GTA Online (RDR2 Online)? Very doubtful. Maybe the Switch does get Fortnite, but will people have moved on to a different game by then or will the Battle Royale fad have cooled by that point? Will there be enough people playing Fortnite on Switch to have a thriving community? Battle Royale modes require a big community to be successful because you're looking at 100 in a match instead of like 12 (in a 6v6 game). Even eventually getting those games down the line isn't that big of a get because millions of gamers are already playing those games (or have played them out) on a different platform (making friends/clans/squads/guilds) and why would they switch platforms along with re-buying the game?

Nintendo getting 3rd-party support has a low ceiling because of the Switch's hardware. Wolfenstein 2 is the only game so far that has gotten a port to the Switch that didn't already get a graphical downgrade due to VR edition (which Wolf 2 might be getting and thus why it's on the Switch), had low hardware specs to begin with, or was a game from last-gen. You know what would allow a Nintendo system getting 3rd-party support basically overnight? Nintendo simply making a system that has similar power to the competition with x86 architecture. That's literally all Nintendo would have to do and support would come flooding in.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

CSGO and GTA V are both extremely old games. JUST like Skyrim and Dark Souls are.

I'll give you the other 3 games you listed. but don't act like it's impossible for the Switch to get COD or Fortnite. Fortnite is actually a frequent title that's been popping up in rumors and leak discussions recently, the rumour is that Epic Games plans to announce a Switch version of it at E3, and before you say "they're just rumours" to me, Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy for the Switch and Xbox One was also just a rumor until it was officially revealed a couple of months ago.
And COD isn't announced to be coming to Switch yet of course, but that's the key word *yet*. sure COD may not be on the Switch at the moment, but that franchise was on the Wii and even the Wii U. but the Wii U didn't have any where as much sales and Support as what Switch already has now did it?


you're just being impatient and want every single 3rd Party franchise on Nintendo Switch immediately otherwise in your eyes "Nintendo doesn't get 3rd Party support". Business doesn't work that way though, Nintendo needs to build confidence in 3rd Parties that the Switch will be a good system to invest money & development resources into so that 3rd Parties can actually make a Profit by making games for Switch. that doesn't happen overnight.


But Nintendo has already made very good progress with 3rd Parties with the Nintendo Switch so far. sure there's some ports of old games like Dark Souls 1 and Skyrim on there, but there's also modern stuff that's been getting announced for the system as well like DOOM, Wolfenstein II, South Park the Franctured but Whole and even so called PS4 "exclusive" Crash Bandicoot N-Sane trilogy.

and the Switch has only been out the market for 15 months now. the library will only get bigger and bigger. and i would put money on more 3rd Party stuff coming to the Switch getting announced at E3 in 2 weeks.

That and the more I think about it the more it's coming off like a sloppy double standard. Because guess what, the PS4 and XB1 get old games CONSTANTLY. Heck, SEGA just announced PS4 ports of Yakuza 3, 4, and 5. Dark Souls Remastered just came out for the PS4 and XB1 with the usual fanfare and we're going to continue seeing ports and remasters for the foreseeable futures.

And the more I think about trying to dismiss classic titles, the more I realize it's really insulting to the medium. That's like saying there's no point in putting Metropolis on Blu-ray because it was made in 1927 or that there's no point in putting Led Zeppelin IV on iTunes. Treating games as that disposable is really dumb, especially when many of those games are fine and critically lauded.

At the end of the day, a lot of this bitching about 3rd parties seems moot considering how well the Switch is selling and how well Nintendo is doing. I really don't get why people are so hung up Nintendo when they could leave at any time. It's not like there aren't other options for entertainment

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

CSGO and GTA V are both extremely old games. JUST like Skyrim and Dark Souls are.

I'll give you the other 3 games you listed. but don't act like it's impossible for the Switch to get COD or Fortnite. Fortnite is actually a frequent title that's been popping up in rumors and leak discussions recently, the rumour is that Epic Games plans to announce a Switch version of it at E3, and before you say "they're just rumours" to me, Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy for the Switch and Xbox One was also just a rumor until it was officially revealed a couple of months ago.
And COD isn't announced to be coming to Switch yet of course, but that's the key word *yet*. sure COD may not be on the Switch at the moment, but that franchise was on the Wii and even the Wii U. but the Wii U didn't have any where as much sales and Support as what Switch already has now did it?


you're just being impatient and want every single 3rd Party franchise on Nintendo Switch immediately otherwise in your eyes "Nintendo doesn't get 3rd Party support". Business doesn't work that way though, Nintendo needs to build confidence in 3rd Parties that the Switch will be a good system to invest money & development resources into so that 3rd Parties can actually make a Profit by making games for Switch. that doesn't happen overnight.


But Nintendo has already made very good progress with 3rd Parties with the Nintendo Switch so far. sure there's some ports of old games like Dark Souls 1 and Skyrim on there, but there's also modern stuff that's been getting announced for the system as well like DOOM, Wolfenstein II, South Park the Franctured but Whole and even so called PS4 "exclusive" Crash Bandicoot N-Sane trilogy.

and the Switch has only been out the market for 15 months now. the library will only get bigger and bigger. and i would put money on more 3rd Party stuff coming to the Switch getting announced at E3 in 2 weeks.

That and the more I think about it the more it's coming off like a sloppy double standard. Because guess what, the PS4 and XB1 get old games CONSTANTLY. Heck, SEGA just announced PS4 ports of Yakuza 3, 4, and 5. Dark Souls Remastered just came out for the PS4 and XB1 with the usual fanfare and we're going to continue seeing ports and remasters for the foreseeable futures.

And the more I think about trying to dismiss classic titles, the more I realize it's really insulting to the medium. That's like saying there's no point in putting Metropolis on Blu-ray because it was made in 1927 or that there's no point in putting Led Zeppelin IV on iTunes. Treating games as that disposable is really dumb, especially when many of those games are fine and critically lauded.

At the end of the day, a lot of this bitching about 3rd parties seems moot considering how well the Switch is selling and how well Nintendo is doing. I really don't get why people are so hung up Nintendo when they could leave at any time. It's not like there aren't other options for entertainment

What double standard? Getting any games on any system is always good, more options are always better. The problem is when other systems are getting basically EVERY game (regardless of ports of old games or new games) and another system is only getting a small fraction of that. Guess which system I'm not going to buy?

It's like Blu-ray has far more movies than HD-DVD, why would I buy an HD-DVD player?

Here's the 3rd time I'm asking this... Why can't Nintendo make a system with power on par with the competition and the same architecture? That's all that is literally being asked of Nintendo.

 

[Yoshi178]

Why can't Nintendo make a system with power on par with the competition?

but it is on par with the competition.

i don't see people taking their PS4's or Xbox Ones on the go with them. Switch has that complete advantage over the xbone and PS4.

and don't even try to pretend that PS vita remote play is the same thing. it's not. you have to buy to a completely separate system to the PS4 to even take advantage of that.


as for the power side of things, sure the Switch isn't as powerful as the PS4 or Xbone. but it's hardly noticeable to the majority of normal people/casuals. DOOM doesn't look as good on the Switch as it does on the PS4 sure. but i've played it and it still looks pretty bloody good. you'd only be able to tell the difference if you did a side by side comparison.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

but it is on par with the competition.

i don't see people taking their PS4's or Xbox Ones on the go with them. Switch has that complete advantage over the xbone and PS4.

and don't even try to pretend that PS vita remote play is the same thing. it's not. you have to buy to a completely separate system to the PS4 to even take advantage of that.


as for the power side of things, sure the Switch isn't as powerful as the PS4 or Xbone. but it's hardly noticeable to the majority of normal people/casuals. DOOM doesn't look as good on the Switch as it does on the PS4 sure. but i've played it and it still looks pretty bloody good. you'd only be able to tell the difference if you did a side by side comparison.

That and we've all seen that argument dismantled about five thousand times. Trying it once more with feeling isn't going to make it viable. It's a zombie argument. If power was such a deciding factor the Switch wouldn't be selling as well as it is nor would 3rd parties be putting their upcoming titles on it or bringing product in general to it.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

but it is on par with the competition.

i don't see people taking their PS4's or Xbox Ones on the go with them. Switch has that complete advantage over the xbone and PS4.

and don't even try to pretend that PS vita remote play is the same thing. it's not. you have to buy to a completely separate system to the PS4 to even take advantage of that.


as for the power side of things, sure the Switch isn't as powerful as the PS4 or Xbone. but it's hardly noticeable to the majority of normal people/casuals. DOOM doesn't look as good on the Switch as it does on the PS4 sure. but i've played it and it still looks pretty bloody good. you'd only be able to tell the difference if you did a side by side comparison.

That and we've all seen that argument dismantled about five thousand times. Trying it once more with feeling isn't going to make it viable. It's a zombie argument. If power was such a deciding factor the Switch wouldn't be selling as well as it is nor would 3rd parties be putting their upcoming titles on it or bringing product in general to it.

But all the third party products coming to Switch are 2, 3, 6 or 7 years old. There's no upcoming cross-platform title that will also be on Switch that isn't a port of some sort. Like the next in any given AAA series that isn't Nintendo's is never on Switch.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Why can't Nintendo make a system with power on par with the competition?

but it is on par with the competition.

i don't see people taking their PS4's or Xbox Ones on the go with them. Switch has that complete advantage over the xbone and PS4.

and don't even try to pretend that PS vita remote play is the same thing. it's not. you have to buy to a completely separate system to the PS4 to even take advantage of that.

as for the power side of things, sure the Switch isn't as powerful as the PS4 or Xbone. but it's hardly noticeable to the majority of normal people/casuals. DOOM doesn't look as good on the Switch as it does on the PS4 sure. but i've played it and it still looks pretty bloody good. you'd only be able to tell the difference if you did a side by side comparison.

Yeah, complete advantage for people that do have a decent amount of time to kill on the go. Nintendo is competing with themselves with the Switch because they make the dominant portable gaming system already. Not to mention phones are becoming a great platform for gaming. Fortnite is definitely releasing on mobile with only rumors of a Switch version for example. Also, the huge boom of digital board games means my phone has better games than the Switch as most board games are way better than most video games. Video games are shit compared to most board games in gameplay mechanics; I'd take Through the Ages or Sentinels over prized Sony exclusives like Uncharted or God of War any day of the week. My most anticipated mobile game release is Terraforming Mars, I can't wait to play that anytime and anywhere. And I can play all that on a bottom tier phone that retailed at $150 when it released (which I got for free) vs the asking price of a Switch.

Nintendo fans were bitching about Xenoblade 2's performance undocked. Even Xenoblade 2 docked, there's a night and day difference between its graphics and say FFXV. The Switch isn't nearly that close to PS4/Xbone in power, which is why you don't see current-gen games getting many releases on the Switch.

It's a zombie argument. If power was such a deciding factor the Switch wouldn't be selling as well as it is nor would 3rd parties be putting their upcoming titles on it or bringing product in general to it.

Then why are new games releasing same day on PC/PS4/Xbone and not on Switch? Switch is selling far faster than Xbone ever sold, why is Xbone getting like every game? Switch sold faster than PS3, why did PS3 get like every game? The Wii sold so much more than PS3, why didn't the Wii get more games than PS3?

 

[sXeth]

Then why are new games releasing same day on PC/PS4/Xbone and not on Switch? Switch is selling far faster than Xbone ever sold, why is Xbone getting like every game? Switch sold faster than PS3, why did PS3 get like every game? The Wii sold so much more than PS3, why didn't the Wii get more games than PS3?

Development cycles are a thing. The release dates of SDK's are pretty cloak and dagger generally, but we'd only be seeing the earliest adopters doing Swtch releases because the system is that new.

The first seeming development of the "NX" was a hardware partnership in March 2015. The actual announcement was in October 2016. So maybe March 2016. They didn't show at E3 in June 2016 either.

Let's assume that despite the lack of fanfare, third-party devs got their SDK's in June 2016. Thats less then 2 years to put together a game that comes out a month from now. There's some variance depending how cut'n'copy you can get with code on it, but thats a pretty narrow wind. Even less if the publishers were holding off until N proved this one was a usccess (after ditching the Wii U in the trashbin early).

Sony and MS have always been pretty play by the rules as far as things go. Nintendo backed the wrong horse in CDs vs Cartridges, and torpedoed most of its third party relations back in the 64 days. The Wii success didn't bring many back because again, they were pushing their nunchuk wavey nonsense that most publishers didn't want to work around for the sake of one platform.

In a year or so, it may be proven otherwise. But if it continues on course, a slight lack of power isn't even going to phase most developers. Particularly if they're PC titles, capping framerate or turning off a few graphics options is one line of .Ini code away.

 

[cathou]

Here's the 3rd time I'm asking this... Why can't Nintendo make a system with power on par with the competition and the same architecture? That's all that is literally being asked of Nintendo.

but why ? Who ask that, except people who down own a switch and have no intention of owning one ?

Really, ps4 and xbox one are basically the same thing, they are wannabe pc that just compete to see who is getting the biggest dick. i dont think we need another player in this contest...

let's say that nintendo ditch the switch for a super duper beefy console that goes par in power with the other two. then what ? First it cannot be portable as well, because of power consomption and heating. so that goes off. then it will probably cost arond the same as the other two, so there goes the price arguement. so if i spend 600$ on an xbox one pro, do i want to spend another 600$ to get the new nintendo thing to get... the same exact games i could have on my xbox one ? nintendo exclusives are a selling point, but they are already on the switch, having a more powerfull console will probably not get them so much better...

and if you always had a xbox, your friends are on xbox live, you will probably get an xbox anyway, same thing for PS+...

so what nintendo have to gain my imitating the other two ? they have a lot more to gain by trying to be there own thing rather than just the number of 3 of 3 clones...

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

but why ? Who ask that, except people who down own a switch and have no intention of owning one ?

Really, ps4 and xbox one are basically the same thing, they are wannabe pc that just compete to see who is getting the biggest dick. i dont think we need another player in this contest...

let's say that nintendo ditch the switch for a super duper beefy console that goes par in power with the other two. then what ? First it cannot be portable as well, because of power consomption and heating. so that goes off. then it will probably cost arond the same as the other two, so there goes the price arguement. so if i spend 600$ on an xbox one pro, do i want to spend another 600$ to get the new nintendo thing to get... the same exact games i could have on my xbox one ? nintendo exclusives are a selling point, but they are already on the switch, having a more powerfull console will probably not get them so much better...

and if you always had a xbox, your friends are on xbox live, you will probably get an xbox anyway, same thing for PS+...

so what nintendo have to gain my imitating the other two ? they have a lot more to gain by trying to be there own thing rather than just the number of 3 of 3 clones...

Plus there's the obvious answer: the numbers say otherwise. The Switch sold over 15 million units in a year and its pace is still going strong. If power were that much of a concern, then it wouldn't be doing as well as it is. And this is in spite of us being in the middle of a lull right now, as is the summer with the most recent big release being the port of Hyrule Warriors and the next one being Octopath Traveler in July. Indie developers also praise it, some even saying they've made WAY more profits on the eShop than on Steam (though that's more indicative of Valve's current incompetence than anything).

If 3rd parties are still slow in coming around, it's because the Switch's success caught them off guard. Hell, I can practically see spokespeople at places like CAPCOM, Namco Bandai, and Activision sweating bullets whenever they're asked "What about the Switch?" Some are coming around quicker, what with Koei Tecmo bringing over Warriors Orochi 4, NIS has Disgaea 1 Complete, Arc System Works releasing Blazblue: Cross Tag Battle, CAPCOM finally bringing Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate over to the West, and SEGA with Valkyria Chronicles 4. Plus E3 is only two weeks away, so we'll how the offerings are for the rest of the year.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Development cycles are a thing. The release dates of SDK's are pretty cloak and dagger generally, but we'd only be seeing the earliest adopters doing Swtch releases because the system is that new.

The first seeming development of the "NX" was a hardware partnership in March 2015. The actual announcement was in October 2016. So maybe March 2016. They didn't show at E3 in June 2016 either.

Let's assume that despite the lack of fanfare, third-party devs got their SDK's in June 2016. Thats less then 2 years to put together a game that comes out a month from now. There's some variance depending how cut'n'copy you can get with code on it, but thats a pretty narrow wind. Even less if the publishers were holding off until N proved this one was a usccess (after ditching the Wii U in the trashbin early).

Sony and MS have always been pretty play by the rules as far as things go. Nintendo backed the wrong horse in CDs vs Cartridges, and torpedoed most of its third party relations back in the 64 days. The Wii success didn't bring many back because again, they were pushing their nunchuk wavey nonsense that most publishers didn't want to work around for the sake of one platform.

In a year or so, it may be proven otherwise. But if it continues on course, a slight lack of power isn't even going to phase most developers. Particularly if they're PC titles, capping framerate or turning off a few graphics options is one line of .Ini code away.

Sounds like a lot of Nintendo-centric problems. With the Wii, I don't think Nintendo would be mandating 3rd-parties utilize motion controls, that would be pretty asinine if they did. Though selling a game that requires an additional accessory (a real controller) to be played is probably not very appealing for 3rd-parties.

The Switch is more than just slightly underpowered compared to the rest. Most games are open world nowadays with lots characters and objects on screen at once. You have to do more than just downgrade resolutions or turn a few graphical options to low as seen with last-gen releases of early PS4/Xbone games on PS3/360. Something like a sports game that plays in a very small static world with a very set amount of character models on screen at once are easy to downgrade, which is why you still find them releasing on last-gen consoles, making them perfect for an underpowered system like the Switch. Many PC games are great for the Switch not because they are just lowering resolution and changing some basic graphical settings but because most PC games nowadays don't really push graphics that's why stuff like Divinity and Pillars are getting Switch versions. The only surprising release so far for the Switch has been Wolfenstein 2, which is a linear game vs open world, and might also be due to it getting a VR edition, which requires a graphical downgrade. I don't get why Capcom is doing RE7 on Switch via cloud streaming when they already had to downgrade it graphically for PSVR.

but why ? Who ask that, except people who down own a switch and have no intention of owning one ?

Really, ps4 and xbox one are basically the same thing, they are wannabe pc that just compete to see who is getting the biggest dick. i dont think we need another player in this contest...

let's say that nintendo ditch the switch for a super duper beefy console that goes par in power with the other two. then what ? First it cannot be portable as well, because of power consomption and heating. so that goes off. then it will probably cost arond the same as the other two, so there goes the price arguement. so if i spend 600$ on an xbox one pro, do i want to spend another 600$ to get the new nintendo thing to get... the same exact games i could have on my xbox one ? nintendo exclusives are a selling point, but they are already on the switch, having a more powerfull console will probably not get them so much better...

and if you always had a xbox, your friends are on xbox live, you will probably get an xbox anyway, same thing for PS+...

so what nintendo have to gain my imitating the other two ? they have a lot more to gain by trying to be there own thing rather than just the number of 3 of 3 clones...

Like everyone who said 3rd-party support is the biggest factor in that poll Johnny posted in the thread the other day.

PS4/Xbone really didn't go all in trying to push graphics this gen like say Sony did with PS3. They made systems to be sold at $400 while also being profitable at launch. You're saying Nintendo can't utilize at least similarly powered tech of PS4 that is nearly 5 years old at the Switch's release?

Portability is a nice feature but Nintendo already sells a highly successful portable system. Not to mention phones and tablets are eating more and more of people's portable gaming time over portable systems that are only for gaming. Digital board games are better than most video games and they aren't on the Switch.

You just literally detailed my argument for why Nintendo systems aren't primary gaming platforms. Right now, like you say, people are buying Nintendo systems as their secondary system at best. Just imagine how much more money Nintendo can make if they just steal 10% of people away from Sony and MS. You can make a profitable console with current-gen power as Sony has demonstrated this gen. I get that Nintendo didn't want to make a system where they lost money on every sold system to then recoup money via licensing games (and whatnot) but they don't need to do that anymore to keep up with the competition. And, if Nintendo did do that, it's very possible I would jump ship to Nintendo because their exclusives actually compete with Sony. Also, what's stopping Nintendo for doing it's own thing while staying in the ballpark with regards to hardware power? Sure, portability is probably out, but that's really it, plus Nintendo prints money in the portable market already, Nintendo is really only stealing market share from themselves.

Plus there's the obvious answer: the numbers say otherwise. The Switch sold over 15 million units in a year and its pace is still going strong.

Like I just said above, Nintendo is stealing market share from itself. For example, heavy on-the-go gamers that love Monster Hunter are going to migrate from the 3DS to the Switch with the Switch release of Generations. I really don't understand Nintendo's strategy unless they wanna phase out making a portable system and a home console and only make one system from now on that can do both basically. But mobile devices are heavily chipping into that portable market.

 

[Yoshi178]

selling a game that requires an additional accessory (a real controller) to be played is probably not very appealing for 3rd-parties.

none of the Switch games require a Pro/*real* controller to be played though.

that's literally what the Joy Con Grip is for.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

none of the Switch games require a Pro/*real* controller to be played though.

that's literally what the Joy Con Grip is for.

Heck, some of them are outright superior with the Joy Con due to gyro aiming. I can't play any other version of Doom after playing the Switch version with motion control.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

selling a game that requires an additional accessory (a real controller) to be played is probably not very appealing for 3rd-parties.

none of the Switch games require a Pro/*real* controller to be played though.

that's literally what the Joy Con Grip is for.

That was in reference to the Wii, which you edited out of the quote.