Yeah cos the world need's another "visceral" or "grim'n'gritty" FPS! FFS Guess i'm gonna have to reigh down hell on EA as i promised a few weeks back somewhere.
Syndicate Remake Revealed as a Shooter - UPDATED
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Goodbye Isometric Tactical Squad games and Isometric RPGs. To shitty for proper developers to make and too complex for the indies. :-(
R.I.P. XCOM, Syndicate, Jaggered Alliance, Original Fallout, Infinity Engine Games and Arcanum.
Your depth of gameplay belies your crappy graphics. Where will I go for pseudo-turnbased squad style leveling up now?
And Richard K Morgan? Please don't stuff another shooter with dipstick support characters running their mouth into an earpiece that I cannot turn off. I know you probably written all this rad dialogue but this is a game, not a novel.
R.I.P. XCOM, Syndicate, Jaggered Alliance, Original Fallout, Infinity Engine Games and Arcanum.
Your depth of gameplay belies your crappy graphics. Where will I go for pseudo-turnbased squad style leveling up now?
And Richard K Morgan? Please don't stuff another shooter with dipstick support characters running their mouth into an earpiece that I cannot turn off. I know you probably written all this rad dialogue but this is a game, not a novel.
I hope if on of these FPS revamps is successful the publishers consider a more proper gameplay sequel as well. I'd be OK with classic games being remade in a more popular format if it resulted in a . . . well a "spin-back" I suppose to the classic format.
Boss fights: Yeah, those were straight up ass. Hell, I would have even been fine with forcing to fight them, if the story expanded upon who they are, why they do what they do, and why you'd have to kill them in the first place. If it did that, I'd be just fine with being forced to kill them. But it didn't, which is a great shame.Waaghpowa said:
As for the weapon proficiency: Well Jenson's an ex-SWAT commander, so him being proficient in all kinds of weapons makes sense story-wise.
No Syndicate. Seriously, that's like saying you want a cake and you get a pile of poop arranged as a cake, telling you THIS cake or NO cake.GrizzlerBorno said:
Also, if they just want to make a good game, no need to call it Syndicate. Unless you want bad publicity, that is...
Bad headline. It's not a shooter, it's a first person shooter. If you say simply shooter, you imply it's in the same genre as R-Type, Radiant Silvergun, DonPachi, Vapor Trail, Ikaruga...
But I can tell that they are completely missing the point. In Syndicate you were a guy in a blimp, basically. You controlled your remote cyborg brainwashed drones to kill, maim, kidnap or blow up people with no regards to morality or right and wrong.No_Remainders said:
I very much doubt that this new game will have you playing as the leader of a ruthless cooperation. I very much doubt that it will let you gun down civilians en masse for no better reason than that you can.
As soon as you play as a named agent you lose that. You are now working for the Man. In the original game you WERE the man.
It's funny you should say that, in another post I said pretty much the same thing - that I'm holding my opinion in reserve until I see a review or two. If they flesh out the world decently instead of just turning it into a Deus Ex clone, it could still be pretty awesome. That said, knowing modern FPSs it's far more likely to be an underdog/rebel story than what we've come to expect from Syndicate. Ten-to-one that by the end of the game you're not working for Eurocorp any more...Vankraken said:
In regards to RTS controls, even on a PC they're usually layered to some extent (CTRL 1 to make group 1 etc).
And I will say one thing, now that I think about it - looking back, one thing I would've killed for when I played Syndicate Wars was a Syndicate FPS. What they really need though, to make the multiplayer work, is not just 4-player coop, but a 5th player who can see the whole city (obviously, like in previous Syndicates you'll need city-sized levels) and give orders and tactical advice. And of course, drop the odd Satellite Rain on your enemies ;D
(EDIT: One final word of warning: they describe it as a "visceral FPS experience". That's IGN-speak. No good can come of that. Let's just say I'm VERY cautiously excited)
I'll have a "NO Syndicate", please.GrizzlerBorno said:
I suppose this is what happens when those in control stop caring about games, and only care about the bottom line.
I understand that the game-making business on the AAA level is ruled by cash flow, but the IP-rape that has been going on lately has got to stop. Sooner or later we're going to run out of classics to homogenize & remake into mainstream blandness, but by then we can kiss our chances goodbye of the publishers to release the IPs to a developer that actually cares about the feelings the original invoked. They'll be binned and forgotten, or remade into the new whatever-is-the-most-mainstream genre at the time by corporate slave company #531.
Most likely there ARE good devs out there who would like nothing more than make a worthy successor to Syndicate, but since the publisher hold all the cards, they can't. The best they can do is to make a "spiritual successor", without any good financial or marketing backing, and hope & pray that people will still not be jaded enough to not care at that point.
Thank god for the recent indie surge, or i'd have very few games to play these days.
God Dammit. Why do they keep doing this? No one who liked the old games will want to buy this, because it's completely different from the original games they loved, and no one new to the series will have any extra incentive to buy it because they have no preconceived notions about the series. Between this and XCOM, this could have been part of a big boom in new Sci-Fi IPs for the video game industry, but for some reason they seem to think they'll get more money connecting it to a series which the games only have a passing resemblance to. I'm not even a fan of Syndicate, and this still pisses me off.
Lot of butthurt here.
Fallout 3 did such horrible things to that franchise, right?
In fact, this is the perfect time for EA to test the waters like this. A cyberpunk game reboot just came out (DX:HR), and the genre is going to have some attention. Also, this couldn't possibly be a Deus Ex clone if they do it right. In fact, I see it being the polar opposite of Deus Ex if they keep it faithful. A FPS with NO moral choices, NO cover, heavy gun and armor, hacking on the fly, perhaps some squad/mob based tactics... I can see this really working.
You know why so many games back in the old PC days were top down? Because most PCs couldn't handle first person perspective yet, and the shooter was relatively new. Ask the original designers what they'd do today, and they might say make a FPS with upgrades. You don't know... it's a different time now. Starcraft 2 is the most recent RTS game, and everyone else has pretty much run away from them. Same with top-down RPGs save for Dragon Age, and you know... whenever Diablo 3 decides to be done.
You wanna relive your past, go download the fist two Syndicate games. If my ass can find them, anyone can. You can yell 'get off my lawn' all you want, but you're not gonna get a direct sequel 16 years later. Are you stupid? Human Revolution was criticized for a long time, but it turned out alright; not perfect, but worthy of the name Deus Ex. You all can keep living in your plastic bubble, but I'll at least give it a shot.
Fallout 3 did such horrible things to that franchise, right?
In fact, this is the perfect time for EA to test the waters like this. A cyberpunk game reboot just came out (DX:HR), and the genre is going to have some attention. Also, this couldn't possibly be a Deus Ex clone if they do it right. In fact, I see it being the polar opposite of Deus Ex if they keep it faithful. A FPS with NO moral choices, NO cover, heavy gun and armor, hacking on the fly, perhaps some squad/mob based tactics... I can see this really working.
You know why so many games back in the old PC days were top down? Because most PCs couldn't handle first person perspective yet, and the shooter was relatively new. Ask the original designers what they'd do today, and they might say make a FPS with upgrades. You don't know... it's a different time now. Starcraft 2 is the most recent RTS game, and everyone else has pretty much run away from them. Same with top-down RPGs save for Dragon Age, and you know... whenever Diablo 3 decides to be done.
You wanna relive your past, go download the fist two Syndicate games. If my ass can find them, anyone can. You can yell 'get off my lawn' all you want, but you're not gonna get a direct sequel 16 years later. Are you stupid? Human Revolution was criticized for a long time, but it turned out alright; not perfect, but worthy of the name Deus Ex. You all can keep living in your plastic bubble, but I'll at least give it a shot.
K looks like fps game #53322322335 coming out *yawn*.
Wait...what? This is a Syndicate game? Wtf?
What is up with publishers digging up old series with particular strategy oriented game mechanics and getting rid of said mechanics completely to make yet another shooter?
Coming next to a store near you!
Masters of Orion 4:Squad based shooter where you play a power armored soldier of the the human race fighting against the onslaught of the antarans.
4x strategy games deemed unprofitable when asked to explain the genre switch.
"Either this or no masters of orion games at all" said the company CEO.
Wait...what? This is a Syndicate game? Wtf?
What is up with publishers digging up old series with particular strategy oriented game mechanics and getting rid of said mechanics completely to make yet another shooter?
Coming next to a store near you!
Masters of Orion 4:Squad based shooter where you play a power armored soldier of the the human race fighting against the onslaught of the antarans.
4x strategy games deemed unprofitable when asked to explain the genre switch.
"Either this or no masters of orion games at all" said the company CEO.
Caption that to the image of the xcom game and you got yourself a demotivator.Adam Jensen said:
*cough* I probably shouldn't be doing that and that might get me a warn but I really feel the need to show my feelings about this game turning into a shooter... erm...
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Dear EA:
My original post intentions are being self-censored in order to avoid (rightfully) falling foul of content guidelines, so let me sum it up this way:
You have enough bloody FPS games already. There are other tools in the toolbox besides a hammer. Make. Something. Different.
Was this ever really concepted as a Syndicate game at all, or is this just like the Battleship movie, a bog-standard genre production that somebody decided to goose-up with a random old IP you had lying around in your portfolio?
Does it even occur to your marketing and PR teams to ask WHY so many gamers hate you? Even if this is a very good game you've alienated a good chunk of your potential market. That's what those of us in the real world call a Dumb Move.
Now please, drop the gun before you shoot any more holes in your own feet. You're running out of feet.
My original post intentions are being self-censored in order to avoid (rightfully) falling foul of content guidelines, so let me sum it up this way:
You have enough bloody FPS games already. There are other tools in the toolbox besides a hammer. Make. Something. Different.
Was this ever really concepted as a Syndicate game at all, or is this just like the Battleship movie, a bog-standard genre production that somebody decided to goose-up with a random old IP you had lying around in your portfolio?
Does it even occur to your marketing and PR teams to ask WHY so many gamers hate you? Even if this is a very good game you've alienated a good chunk of your potential market. That's what those of us in the real world call a Dumb Move.
Now please, drop the gun before you shoot any more holes in your own feet. You're running out of feet.
