PhiMed said:
I don't buy it. You say that the entire system is designed out of a hatred for or fear of femininity, but there are stigmas against women who are perceived to be too masculine, as well. How does this fit into your model?
Yes, the woman is often judged for making a poor sexual decision while in high school. Men are, sometimes, as well. For the sake of brevity I'll admit that at the age we're discussing it is the exception rather than the rule. Until men are able to carry children, this will probably continue to be the case.
In primate social structures, the male is, generally speaking, the one who does all the posturing, and the female makes the selection. This is why most primates have a polygamous structure where a few males have sex with many females. This is the evolutionary stuff from which we have sprung. Our brains have been hard wired by tens of thousands of years of evolution to view a male who has sex as being successful in being selected, and viewing a female who has sex as having made her choice. Women who sleep with idiots or sleep with multiple guys not only come off as a bit indecisive, but as failing to understand or properly utilize the power they wield. Women have the sexual power in society, not men.
That's right. I said women wield the sexual power in Western society. Think I'm being silly? When people say, "sex sells", to which gender's form are they usually referring? If you think of a woman's sexuality as a night club, which club is more prestigious, the club that lets everyone in without a cover, or the one with an exclusive guest list? Following this analogy, who is perceived as cooler, the club goer who is denied admission to even moderately exclusive clubs, or the one who comes and goes as they please? Even then, though, that person's "coolness" is defined by someone else's choice. That someone else being the owner of the "club".
Women are able not only to define their own social status through their actions, but the status of men. That's power. Feminism seeks to destroy that power, and I think that's irrational.
I would say that women who are masculine are stigmatized because they SHOULDN'T be masculine according to society - only men can be masculine, because masculine in the 'stronger' of the two. I think it actually fits quite nicely into that model.
As to your second point, that is an example of inequality. "Until men are able to have children this will be the case." Don't you see the inherent unfairness? So far, it seems like you've actually kind of supported my points.
Sorry, your nightclub example is bunk (in that it makes no context after the sentence you've placed it, and it's wrong). But let's roll with it for a second. You seem to forget the notion that unfortunately, many women have people who try to "infiltrate" their nightclub - men get grabby, can harass, even coerce for 'admission.' The fact that rape happens to women far more often than men hampers this argument. While rape is NOT ALWAYS about sex, you discount the fact that there are people who will try to gain admission to the nightclub any way they can, and the owner's pain and expense. But, like I said, I think it's a weak example.
I do want to talk about something else though. You mentioned 'selling sex'? Yes, let's look at that. Take the ad industry, where female sexuality 'sells' only after their bodies have been photoshopped to hell so that women are constantly faced with an onslaught of images of 'perfect' female sexuality which really no woman can attain. Let's talk about the ad images that portray women as sex objects for men - here are some photos:
http://bit.ly/mEhVF5
http://bit.ly/mtK9GK
Sex sells, but it mostly sells when it's a woman suggestively servicing a man. The fact is, women's sexuality sells at the EXPENSE of women; it's not a positive thing. It's not empowering to see only ads of sexualized women playing into false stereotypes.
If you really want to boil it down, your last statement, "Women are able not only to define their own social status through their actions, but the status of men. That's power. Feminism seeks to destroy that power, and I think that's irrational," is wrong. Women aren't defining their own social status in that way, and they don't through the status of men, either. I'm sorry you think that is the world we live in, but it's just not true. That's not power or agency.