Teen Arrested for Home-Made "Hot or Not" List on Facebook

[funkzillabot]

This is the dictionary definition of the word Slander

slander |ˈslandər|
noun. Law

the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation : he is suing the TV network for slander. Compare with libel .
? a false and malicious spoken statement : I've had just about all I can stomach of your slanders.
verb [ trans. ]
make false and damaging statements about (someone) : they were accused of slandering the head of state. See note at malign .

 

[Sean951]

I don't get how this constitutes slander any more than name calling. Both are done publicly, this just is online. Had it been done verbally, would he be safe? Nicknames could still stick and change how people view a person, so I really don't see the difference.

 

[Hive Mind]

The first requirement for something to be slander is that it not be opinion. This fails that test instantly.

You obviously have zero concept of the law in question; opinion has nothing to do with slander. "[Slander] is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image." - Wiki. Stating certain women perform certain sexual acts and are or are not sluts is slander. That is why he was charged. Did you not read the article?

You're welcome.

If they were two separate acts, then your juxtaposition of sentences amounts to a non sequitur. In other words, you're not making any sense.

My argument is valid. It is this: there is something wrong with you if you think that a 16 year-old child deserves to go to adult prison for making a hot or not list. Seek psychological counsel.

It doesn't matter if you think the joke wasn't funny, it was clearly a joke to make a point about the silliness of some of the aspects of feminism. Your lack of sense of humor does not stand as proof that he is guilty of a criminal offense.

Congratulations on making a post without resorting to childish insults and cheap, interchangeable curse words. Your posting abilities are maturing.

"The student printed the list out and handed it out to everyone in the school, before then parading around shouting sexist remarks. He committed slander. A crime."

You see that first part - the bolded part? You see how the second part, the non-bolded part, is simply further information? Kind of like this:

"The angry man killed several people and hid the evidence of the crime, before then driving home and stopping to purchase a Coke. The man committed murder."

If you still fail to comprehend the sentences properly, I give up.

And to the joke: oh, so now you're saying it's just a joke? Is it a joke or is it satire? You backpedaled and changed the label so fast I didn't catch your response to "Satire makes a point." Or are you just going to ignore the definition of a word you used and replace it with something else?

 

[zeldagirl]

Seriously, this is just stupid. High schoolers will be high schoolers, in a few months most of those girls will look back on this list and laugh, and in years, probably remember it fondly through rose-colored glasses. This kid, however, is going to have his life fucked for something that seems fresh out of an American Pie sequel.

Anyone who thinks this is anything serious needs to get out of their parent's basement and go talk to a real life girl who isn't some raging fem, they'll tell you it's dumb and roll their eyes. Actually, I'm curious what the ladies in this thread think, and where you tend to fall on other issues of gender equality, if you think he should be severely punished. How many people calling for his beheading also spell "women" with a "Y"? Or is that sexist to only ask the women? =X

One last thing, anyone who doesn't think that girls do this shit all the time is a retard. And, how many of you were morally outraged by that South Park episode where the school's girl made a list like this of the boys? I mean, clearly, that's like making light of the holocaust.

That's awfully naive, and if I were a victim of his prank, it certainly wouldn't be a laughing matter to me after a few years. This is sexual harassment, and that has a way of staying with you.


As a lady of this thread, I've already said what I think - it's sexual harassment, plain and simple. It's hurtful and demeaning, and I'm hurt and demeaned even as someone who is only a bystander and not actually involved. It pains me to see boys do this to girls.

Though, I'm sorry, may I ask - if I think it's wrong, does that invalidate my opinion?


For the record, I spell women with an e, because etymologically that is correct (wo is the feminine prefix). I also consider myself a feminist - I want women to be treated with respect.

You're right, girls are capable of doing this. And that is wrong. But those wrongs does not make THIS right.


EDIT: wonky quotations.

 

[RivFader86]

Since when does Highschoolers spreading rumors about each other warrant Slander charges? I mean don't get me wrong, the kid is a right little **** for doing it, but this didn't warrant anything harder than a stern talking to and the removal of the material from the adults, this is really the sort of thing that children should resolve amongst themselves.

And you know what? I think it would have been good for him to get the shit kicked out of him by one of the girls's boyfriends, that way he can learn how consequences for these sorts of things actually work in real life, instead of getting the god damned police involved in something as stupid and petty as this.

Spreading rumors in highschool isn't slander, if you've ever actually been to a highschool rumors are spread every day, and trying to press charges for that would not only be silly, but a complete waste of time.

I don't think the charges are slander (they should be in my eyes though...or libel since it was in written form).

Yep he deffo should have gotten the crap kicked out of him.

True there are rumors going around at every school (not only that even in offices and any other workplace...guess some people never "outgrow" that kind of behaviour) but in my eyes the "big" difference is that he made it public which in my eyes is an attempt to harm someones reputation,which of course isn't as big of a deal in high school as it would be in later life but it still needs to have consequences and i don't think a "stern talking to" is enough, of course he shouldn't be fined thousands of dollars but he needs to know that this isn't something you can just do and get away with a "you have been a very very naughty boy"

 

[funkzillabot]

This pretty much demonstrates why Feminism is still strongly needed in Western society. Treating young girls like grades of meat and rating them on their sexual characteristics like it was the only thing they would ever be worth is so grotesquely abhorrent.

It definitely warrants legal action. This idiot caused a great deal of grievous mental and emotional anguish on so many of these girls publicly. That kind of behavior can not be condoned by any authority that hopes to remain credible.

Going to juvi for calling people names on facebook, when did peoples spines dissolve.

Seriously, this is just stupid. High schoolers will be high schoolers, in a few months most of those girls will look back on this list and laugh, and in years, probably remember it fondly through rose-colored glasses. This kid, however, is going to have his life fucked for something that seems fresh out of an American Pie sequel.

Anyone who thinks this is anything serious needs to get out of their parent's basement and go talk to a real life girl who isn't some raging fem, they'll tell you it's dumb and roll their eyes. Actually, I'm curious what the ladies in this thread think, and where you tend to fall on other issues of gender equality, if you think he should be severely punished. How many people calling for his beheading also spell "women" with a "Y"? Or is that sexist to only ask the women? =X

One last thing, anyone who doesn't think that girls do this shit all the time is a retard. And, how many of you were morally outraged by that South Park episode where the school's girl made a list like this of the boys? I mean, clearly, that's like making light of the holocaust.

Yeah... anyone who has ever been falsely accused of anything is NEVER going to look back and laugh. Feminism has nothing to do with it. You don't know what you're talking about. But, I guess it's easy to brush it off, when it's never happened to you.

 

[manaman]

When the hell did people get so soft. I've said it before, but it deserves saying again. Out of all the rights granted around the word to various people, you will find one is never present. It's not a right of your's to never be offended.

I understand some criminal action as the list can cause some harm to the girls because of the derogatory nature of the nicknames, unless he can show there is some truth to it. Everything else is just opinion. I don't understand why he was charged with what he eventually was charged with. It just sounds like something they eventually slapped him with to get all the whining parents to shut up.

 

[Hive Mind]

When the hell did people get so soft. I've said it before, but it deserves saying again. Out of all the rights granted around the word to various people, you will find one is never present. It's not a right of your's to never be offended.

I understand some criminal action as the list can cause some harm to the girls because of the derogatory nature of the nicknames, unless he can show there is some truth to it. Everything else is just opinion. I don't understand why he was charged with what he eventually was charged with. It just sounds like something they eventually slapped him with to get all the whining parents to shut up.

Slander is not protected by free speech for a reason.

 

[PhiMed]

The first requirement for something to be slander is that it not be opinion. This fails that test instantly.

You obviously have zero concept of the law in question; opinion has nothing to do with slander. "[Slander] is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image." - Wiki. Stating certain women perform certain sexual acts and are or are not sluts is slander. That is why he was charged. Did you not read the article?

You're welcome.

If they were two separate acts, then your juxtaposition of sentences amounts to a non sequitur. In other words, you're not making any sense.

My argument is valid. It is this: there is something wrong with you if you think that a 16 year-old child deserves to go to adult prison for making a hot or not list. Seek psychological counsel.

It doesn't matter if you think the joke wasn't funny, it was clearly a joke to make a point about the silliness of some of the aspects of feminism. Your lack of sense of humor does not stand as proof that he is guilty of a criminal offense.

Congratulations on making a post without resorting to childish insults and cheap, interchangeable curse words. Your posting abilities are maturing.

"The student printed the list out and handed it out to everyone in the school, before then parading around shouting sexist remarks. He committed slander. A crime."

You see that first part - the bolded part? You see how the second part, the non-bolded part, is simply further information? Kind of like this:

"The angry man killed several people and hid the evidence of the crime, before then driving home and stopping to purchase a Coke. The man committed murder."

If you still fail to comprehend the sentences properly, I give up.

And to the joke: oh, so now you're saying it's just a joke? Is it a joke or is it satire? You backpedaled and changed the label so fast I didn't catch your response to "Satire makes a point." Or are you just going to ignore the definition of a word you used and replace it with something else?

The non-bolded part includes "parading around shouting sexist remarks. He committed slander. A crime." This is a non-sequitur unless you're suggesting that the sexist remarks were slander. You've presented no argument that what he said was slanderous. You simply state it as fact and expect us to accept your proclamation. I do not.

Additionally, in almost every (I would say every, but I don't have knowledge of every single state and municipality's laws) jurisdiction in the united states, slander is described in tort law, not criminal law. It's a civil offense, not a crime. A finding in court of slander does not justify jail time in any circumstance, because it's not a crime. So you might as well have said, "He committed slander. A carrot." for all the sense your post made. Organize your thoughts, if you're capable of that. Even your murder example only illustrates your point because it's a poorly written mess.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize "joke" and "satire" were mutually exclusive terms. I stated in my post that he was making a point about the absurdities of modern feminism. If you don't think it's funny, that's fine, but I don't think a suit against him should be successful, and I know for a fact that he shouldn't serve jail time.

 

[Arachon]

I think he put it on Facebook because he wanted to make it public...

In that case, he's just dumb.

 

[Dice Warwick]

this is a bit extreme, I mean getting arrested!? The kid is a dosh-bag, and sould be punished, but you can't be arrested for for being a doush-bag.

 

[Bigsmith]

Isn't this how Zuckerberg first started Facebook?

Yes, yes it was. (just watched social network X3)

OT: Eh.. If I was the head of that school I would have of just made him stand up in front of everyone on that list and make a formal apology.

 

[zeldagirl]

I don't buy it. You say that the entire system is designed out of a hatred for or fear of femininity, but there are stigmas against women who are perceived to be too masculine, as well. How does this fit into your model?

Yes, the woman is often judged for making a poor sexual decision while in high school. Men are, sometimes, as well. For the sake of brevity I'll admit that at the age we're discussing it is the exception rather than the rule. Until men are able to carry children, this will probably continue to be the case.

In primate social structures, the male is, generally speaking, the one who does all the posturing, and the female makes the selection. This is why most primates have a polygamous structure where a few males have sex with many females. This is the evolutionary stuff from which we have sprung. Our brains have been hard wired by tens of thousands of years of evolution to view a male who has sex as being successful in being selected, and viewing a female who has sex as having made her choice. Women who sleep with idiots or sleep with multiple guys not only come off as a bit indecisive, but as failing to understand or properly utilize the power they wield. Women have the sexual power in society, not men.

That's right. I said women wield the sexual power in Western society. Think I'm being silly? When people say, "sex sells", to which gender's form are they usually referring? If you think of a woman's sexuality as a night club, which club is more prestigious, the club that lets everyone in without a cover, or the one with an exclusive guest list? Following this analogy, who is perceived as cooler, the club goer who is denied admission to even moderately exclusive clubs, or the one who comes and goes as they please? Even then, though, that person's "coolness" is defined by someone else's choice. That someone else being the owner of the "club".

Women are able not only to define their own social status through their actions, but the status of men. That's power. Feminism seeks to destroy that power, and I think that's irrational.

I would say that women who are masculine are stigmatized because they SHOULDN'T be masculine according to society - only men can be masculine, because masculine in the 'stronger' of the two. I think it actually fits quite nicely into that model.

As to your second point, that is an example of inequality. "Until men are able to have children this will be the case." Don't you see the inherent unfairness? So far, it seems like you've actually kind of supported my points.

Sorry, your nightclub example is bunk (in that it makes no context after the sentence you've placed it, and it's wrong). But let's roll with it for a second. You seem to forget the notion that unfortunately, many women have people who try to "infiltrate" their nightclub - men get grabby, can harass, even coerce for 'admission.' The fact that rape happens to women far more often than men hampers this argument. While rape is NOT ALWAYS about sex, you discount the fact that there are people who will try to gain admission to the nightclub any way they can, and the owner's pain and expense. But, like I said, I think it's a weak example.

I do want to talk about something else though. You mentioned 'selling sex'? Yes, let's look at that. Take the ad industry, where female sexuality 'sells' only after their bodies have been photoshopped to hell so that women are constantly faced with an onslaught of images of 'perfect' female sexuality which really no woman can attain. Let's talk about the ad images that portray women as sex objects for men - here are some photos:

http://bit.ly/mEhVF5

http://bit.ly/mtK9GK

Sex sells, but it mostly sells when it's a woman suggestively servicing a man. The fact is, women's sexuality sells at the EXPENSE of women; it's not a positive thing. It's not empowering to see only ads of sexualized women playing into false stereotypes.

If you really want to boil it down, your last statement, "Women are able not only to define their own social status through their actions, but the status of men. That's power. Feminism seeks to destroy that power, and I think that's irrational," is wrong. Women aren't defining their own social status in that way, and they don't through the status of men, either. I'm sorry you think that is the world we live in, but it's just not true. That's not power or agency.

 

[manaman]

When the hell did people get so soft. I've said it before, but it deserves saying again. Out of all the rights granted around the word to various people, you will find one is never present. It's not a right of your's to never be offended.

I understand some criminal action as the list can cause some harm to the girls because of the derogatory nature of the nicknames, unless he can show there is some truth to it. Everything else is just opinion. I don't understand why he was charged with what he eventually was charged with. It just sounds like something they eventually slapped him with to get all the whining parents to shut up.

Slander is not protected by free speech for a reason.

Which would be a perfectly valid point to make had the kid actually been charged with slander. He was charged with disorderly conduct, and seeing as they spent three months on the investigation I am willing to bet they would have been more then happy to throw more charges his way if they thought they could stick.

Thus the source of my last comment. As for the not being offended part, should I go ahead and call you a dirty **** right now it wouldn't be a matter for the law to bother with, nor should it. Take in mind now that I really am using that purely as an example and do not intend to actually insult you in anyway. The law really shouldn't be forced to protect little Timmy's of Jane's feelings. It's there to protect them from real harm.

Not that I am saying there shouldn't be repercussions to what you say either. Suppose you and I worked in the same building and my lying caused you to lose your job, or co-workers to become hostile towards you, or other damages. Now you have slander. Simply stating my opinion on you looks as my opinion wouldn't cover that. Calling you the office drunk might.

 

[JoeThree]

Seriously, this is just stupid. High schoolers will be high schoolers, in a few months most of those girls will look back on this list and laugh, and in years, probably remember it fondly through rose-colored glasses. This kid, however, is going to have his life fucked for something that seems fresh out of an American Pie sequel.

Anyone who thinks this is anything serious needs to get out of their parent's basement and go talk to a real life girl who isn't some raging fem, they'll tell you it's dumb and roll their eyes. Actually, I'm curious what the ladies in this thread think, and where you tend to fall on other issues of gender equality, if you think he should be severely punished. How many people calling for his beheading also spell "women" with a "Y"? Or is that sexist to only ask the women? =X

One last thing, anyone who doesn't think that girls do this shit all the time is a retard. And, how many of you were morally outraged by that South Park episode where the school's girl made a list like this of the boys? I mean, clearly, that's like making light of the holocaust.

That's awfully naive, and if I were a victim of his prank, it certainly wouldn't be a laughing matter to me after a few years. This is sexual harassment, and that has a way of staying with you.


As a lady of this thread, I've already said what I think - it's sexual harassment, plain and simple. It's hurtful and demeaning, and I'm hurt and demeaned even as someone who is only a bystander and not actually involved. It pains me to see boys do this to girls.

Though, I'm sorry, may I ask - if I think it's wrong, does that invalidate my opinion?


For the record, I spell women with an e, because etymologically that is correct (wo is the feminine prefix). I also consider myself a feminist - I want women to be treated with respect.

You're right, girls are capable of doing this. And that is wrong. But those wrongs does not make THIS right.


EDIT: wonky quotations.

You being offended should not be a reason for another person to be incarcerated.

And would you be as offended by a girl doing this? I'm not saying a wrong makes a right, I think in both cases it's just stupid high school crap, but would you have been as offended if this was a woman doing this to men?

 

[pokepuke]

Even expelling him was going too far. I'm sure the police are thinking "this is why I went to the academy", but maybe also thinking it is another day they can avoid being shot at.
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That's awfully naive, and if I were a victim of his prank, it certainly wouldn't be a laughing matter to me after a few years. This is sexual harassment, and that has a way of staying with you.

Yeah, but you seem unusually stuck up, so you're not the norm here.

As a lady of this thread, I've already said what I think - it's sexual harassment, plain and simple. It's hurtful and demeaning, and I'm hurt and demeaned even as someone who is only a bystander and not actually involved. It pains me to see boys do this to girls.

Though, I'm sorry, may I ask - if I think it's wrong, does that invalidate my opinion?


For the record, I spell women with an e, because etymologically that is correct (wo is the feminine prefix). I also consider myself a feminist - I want women to be treated with respect.

Hmm, feminist? not really. If you were, you'd be for equality, not holding one group on a pedestal. You also seem to fallaciously think that you matter here; your anecdotes or viewpoints are irrelevant. Why not just as "a person of this thread"? Your name is even overly telling of your pretentious nature. Try coming back down to earth.

 

[aod43254]

If they were two separate acts, then your juxtaposition of sentences amounts to a non sequitur. In other words, you're not making any sense.

My argument is valid. It is this: there is something wrong with you if you think that a 16 year-old child deserves to go to adult prison for making a hot or not list. Seek psychological counsel.

It doesn't matter if you think the joke wasn't funny, it was clearly a joke to make a point about the silliness of some of the aspects of feminism. Your lack of sense of humor does not stand as proof that he is guilty of a criminal offense.

Congratulations on making a post without resorting to childish insults and cheap, interchangeable curse words. Your posting abilities are maturing.

"The student printed the list out and handed it out to everyone in the school, before then parading around shouting sexist remarks. He committed slander. A crime."

You see that first part - the bolded part? You see how the second part, the non-bolded part, is simply further information? Kind of like this:

"The angry man killed several people and hid the evidence of the crime, before then driving home and stopping to purchase a Coke. The man committed murder."

If you still fail to comprehend the sentences properly, I give up.

Even with the bold by having the two statements juxtaposed the whole statement still makes it seem as though you are saying that by making the sexist remarks he was being slanderous, now if you had brought up the fact that he listed alleged sexual behaviors then you would have been right about him committing slander. I am not arguing his committing slander but merely mentioning that your sentence still conveyed that you were asserting that the sexist remarks were slanderous, which they aren't.

Now that I have said that, what the kid did was wrong and definitely slanderous but his actions don't warrant police action. If the girl's (or their parents) wished to press charges then that would be acceptable.

~Aod43254

 

[zeldagirl]

Seriously, this is just stupid. High schoolers will be high schoolers, in a few months most of those girls will look back on this list and laugh, and in years, probably remember it fondly through rose-colored glasses. This kid, however, is going to have his life fucked for something that seems fresh out of an American Pie sequel.

Anyone who thinks this is anything serious needs to get out of their parent's basement and go talk to a real life girl who isn't some raging fem, they'll tell you it's dumb and roll their eyes. Actually, I'm curious what the ladies in this thread think, and where you tend to fall on other issues of gender equality, if you think he should be severely punished. How many people calling for his beheading also spell "women" with a "Y"? Or is that sexist to only ask the women? =X

One last thing, anyone who doesn't think that girls do this shit all the time is a retard. And, how many of you were morally outraged by that South Park episode where the school's girl made a list like this of the boys? I mean, clearly, that's like making light of the holocaust.

That's awfully naive, and if I were a victim of his prank, it certainly wouldn't be a laughing matter to me after a few years. This is sexual harassment, and that has a way of staying with you.


As a lady of this thread, I've already said what I think - it's sexual harassment, plain and simple. It's hurtful and demeaning, and I'm hurt and demeaned even as someone who is only a bystander and not actually involved. It pains me to see boys do this to girls.

Though, I'm sorry, may I ask - if I think it's wrong, does that invalidate my opinion?


For the record, I spell women with an e, because etymologically that is correct (wo is the feminine prefix). I also consider myself a feminist - I want women to be treated with respect.

You're right, girls are capable of doing this. And that is wrong. But those wrongs does not make THIS right.


EDIT: wonky quotations.

You being offended should not be a reason for another person to be incarcerated.

And would you be as offended by a girl doing this? I'm not saying a wrong makes a right, I think in both cases it's just stupid high school crap, but would you have been as offended if this was a woman doing this to men?

You're right, me being offended isn't enough for another person to be incarcerated, or even just having charges filed against them.

Sexual harassment is, though. And that's what *this is*. You don't think that sexually harassing you women is okay, do you?

And yes, as I ALREADY said, I would be offended if a girl did this. I was outraged when the woman at Duke pulled this stunt. It doesn't make it right. Like I said. Before.

 

[Mudkipith]

Freedom of speech much?

 

[JoeThree]

This pretty much demonstrates why Feminism is still strongly needed in Western society. Treating young girls like grades of meat and rating them on their sexual characteristics like it was the only thing they would ever be worth is so grotesquely abhorrent.

It definitely warrants legal action. This idiot caused a great deal of grievous mental and emotional anguish on so many of these girls publicly. That kind of behavior can not be condoned by any authority that hopes to remain credible.

Going to juvi for calling people names on facebook, when did peoples spines dissolve.

Seriously, this is just stupid. High schoolers will be high schoolers, in a few months most of those girls will look back on this list and laugh, and in years, probably remember it fondly through rose-colored glasses. This kid, however, is going to have his life fucked for something that seems fresh out of an American Pie sequel.

Anyone who thinks this is anything serious needs to get out of their parent's basement and go talk to a real life girl who isn't some raging fem, they'll tell you it's dumb and roll their eyes. Actually, I'm curious what the ladies in this thread think, and where you tend to fall on other issues of gender equality, if you think he should be severely punished. How many people calling for his beheading also spell "women" with a "Y"? Or is that sexist to only ask the women? =X

One last thing, anyone who doesn't think that girls do this shit all the time is a retard. And, how many of you were morally outraged by that South Park episode where the school's girl made a list like this of the boys? I mean, clearly, that's like making light of the holocaust.

Yeah... anyone who has ever been falsely accused of anything is NEVER going to look back and laugh. Feminism has nothing to do with it. You don't know what you're talking about. But, I guess it's easy to brush it off, when it's never happened to you.

In college there was a rumor that I had a 13 inch penis. No, really. I didn't start the stupid thing, but you can be certain it's false and sexual in nature. Anyway, I tended to run heavy on the shy side of things back then so it was pretty embarrassing, and so I daresay it fits your criteria, and you know what?, I laugh about it now.