Tell Gearbox Why You Hated Duke Nukem Forever
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I did the survey and the first question is your name and email address. It's optional so if you don't enter it you won't be in the draw(ing).MiracleOfSound said:
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Really, they need to drop the regenerating health and two-weapon limit. I mean, Half Life 2 had a protagonist who carried at least 12 weapons at one point. You're telling me they couldn't rip that off?
I'm not sure what they intend to gain from the survey. One of the questions is "Do you enjoy platforming/puzzles in first person shooters?"
Uh, I enjoy (good) puzzles and hate platforming. Thanks though.
Uh, I enjoy (good) puzzles and hate platforming. Thanks though.
Though I share many similar sentiments with other folks who played Duke Nukem Forever (two weapons, regenerating health), those are issues that could have been solved relatively easily (and in a way are on their way to being a little less irksome--four weapons instead of two. It's not the best solution, but it's the least we could have gotten to begin with).
My biggest issue of fault with DNF' is it can't seem to decide what pacing to employ. When I played Half-Life 2, I thought it was perfectly paced. By the time I was beginning to feel exhausted with one section or another, I'd reach a door that led to a new and interesting scenario.
In Duke Nukem Forever, everything goes by so fast, and by the time I was just beginning to become somewhat interested in a given section, they'd throw in a puzzle, or driving element, or I'd hear that background guitar noise signifying that the fun was over, and I'd slump to the next loading screen feeling rather unsatisfied.
Duke Nukem needs to be slightly less linear than DNF. It also needs to be slightly longer. Those are two things that require significant effort to combine, but if you want something to be good, you need to put in effort.
12 years is a long time, but what kind of effort was really put into the project? And not just work effort, but creative effort as well. Duke borrows so many things from other games, that I agree with Yahtzee on what he said: You can almost see the progression of game development throughout its history. The beginning of the game has a distinct Halo feel, moving unarmed through plot sequences until you get your first weapon and start defending yourself and your home. Then it goes through other phases, Call of Duty shoot'em up, an annoying driving section (note that I didn't find the driving as annoying as I did the being forced to stop driving every few minutes because "I ran out of gas".
I enjoy the concept of savoring a game, or savoring game time, and indeed I try to--but the game has to do some effort in convincing me that I need to take that much time. When I play Crysis, it's large open area lets me do things different every time I play it, and I can enjoy going slow and clever, or fast and furious; Duke Nukem Forever is too straight-forward to require much thinking, and while that's fine for an FPS game, it's not fine when it's more fast than furious. And DNF is really, really fast. I finished it in eight hours--sure it was the only thing I played for a day and a half, but while I was playing I was exploring the possibility of re-playing it, and I found very little to interest me.
There were also some moments in the game that might have been more entertaining to witness. A moment when a pig cop--which they can't even be called that anymore, now they're just mutated pigmen for the most part--closes a garage-style door on another pig cop made me laugh, as those little moments tend to make me. When I was walking slowly down the center path of a small classic western-style village, I saw tremendous opportunity for expansion. I saw pig cops playing five-card stud in a bar, giving an opportunity for another ego boost: if you kill three of them with a pistol and two with a shotgun, full house! Mow 'em all down with a Stinger, Straight Flush! And I was very, VERY disappointed when the pig cop that I saw slide into the street wasn't wearing a cowboy hat, hands at its sides ready to quick-draw its guns.
Small moments like that would have taken even more time, but the result would have been worth it. Despite taking 12 years to come out, Duke Nukem Forever feels rushed--again a point I agree with Yahtzee on--and ooooooh my god I didn't mean to type this much, so I'm just gonna stop here. I'm hungry, I enjoyed playing Duke Nukem Forever, albeit disappointed with the final product, and if they don't release the modding tools my disappointment will dissolve into abject rage and frustration. Seriously, when has modding EVER ruined a game--particularly a game that most would hail as not being very good in the first place.
My biggest issue of fault with DNF' is it can't seem to decide what pacing to employ. When I played Half-Life 2, I thought it was perfectly paced. By the time I was beginning to feel exhausted with one section or another, I'd reach a door that led to a new and interesting scenario.
In Duke Nukem Forever, everything goes by so fast, and by the time I was just beginning to become somewhat interested in a given section, they'd throw in a puzzle, or driving element, or I'd hear that background guitar noise signifying that the fun was over, and I'd slump to the next loading screen feeling rather unsatisfied.
Duke Nukem needs to be slightly less linear than DNF. It also needs to be slightly longer. Those are two things that require significant effort to combine, but if you want something to be good, you need to put in effort.
12 years is a long time, but what kind of effort was really put into the project? And not just work effort, but creative effort as well. Duke borrows so many things from other games, that I agree with Yahtzee on what he said: You can almost see the progression of game development throughout its history. The beginning of the game has a distinct Halo feel, moving unarmed through plot sequences until you get your first weapon and start defending yourself and your home. Then it goes through other phases, Call of Duty shoot'em up, an annoying driving section (note that I didn't find the driving as annoying as I did the being forced to stop driving every few minutes because "I ran out of gas".
I enjoy the concept of savoring a game, or savoring game time, and indeed I try to--but the game has to do some effort in convincing me that I need to take that much time. When I play Crysis, it's large open area lets me do things different every time I play it, and I can enjoy going slow and clever, or fast and furious; Duke Nukem Forever is too straight-forward to require much thinking, and while that's fine for an FPS game, it's not fine when it's more fast than furious. And DNF is really, really fast. I finished it in eight hours--sure it was the only thing I played for a day and a half, but while I was playing I was exploring the possibility of re-playing it, and I found very little to interest me.
There were also some moments in the game that might have been more entertaining to witness. A moment when a pig cop--which they can't even be called that anymore, now they're just mutated pigmen for the most part--closes a garage-style door on another pig cop made me laugh, as those little moments tend to make me. When I was walking slowly down the center path of a small classic western-style village, I saw tremendous opportunity for expansion. I saw pig cops playing five-card stud in a bar, giving an opportunity for another ego boost: if you kill three of them with a pistol and two with a shotgun, full house! Mow 'em all down with a Stinger, Straight Flush! And I was very, VERY disappointed when the pig cop that I saw slide into the street wasn't wearing a cowboy hat, hands at its sides ready to quick-draw its guns.
Small moments like that would have taken even more time, but the result would have been worth it. Despite taking 12 years to come out, Duke Nukem Forever feels rushed--again a point I agree with Yahtzee on--and ooooooh my god I didn't mean to type this much, so I'm just gonna stop here. I'm hungry, I enjoyed playing Duke Nukem Forever, albeit disappointed with the final product, and if they don't release the modding tools my disappointment will dissolve into abject rage and frustration. Seriously, when has modding EVER ruined a game--particularly a game that most would hail as not being very good in the first place.
Having only 2 guns at a time made things faster paced for me. I was constantly picking up random guns blowing all the ammo then finding another and repeating. I prefer that to carrying around guns I wont use half the time.The Great JT said:
The regenerating health is a quality of life thing. Diving for med kits feels outdated.
I want Duke to scrap all the puzzles and platforming and just speed the game pace up. More violent over the top action. Hire Michael Bay.
Keep the humor its the best part of duke. Keep the world interactions.
Making the game non-linear would be nice but don't let choice slow the action down.
The vehicle sections are nice but not a priority.
Duke doesnt need multiplayer imo. We have plenty of shooters that have larger and more competitive audiences. I'd prefer duke tell a good story with choices, loads of action and mature humor.
I did it. Just pretty much gave answers that would rate the game as average because that's what I thought of it. I didn't particularly hate it, I just didn't like it either. It had bits when it was good and bits when it was bad, but the majority of the game was average.
Havent played the game, but I took the survey anyways. Seen enough gameplay footage to know how the game is. Won't be touching DNF, so hopefully they'll learn before the next one.
Thats not fast paced. That is annoying and fucked up design decision.Dendio said:
I would agree if it wasn't so unreliable in DNF. If they did the sectioned health(ALA Farcry 2) It would have suited it moreDendio said:
Some puzzles were pretty good. Like that statue thing you had to climb.Dendio said:
Agree wholeheartedly.Dendio said:
Partly disagree.Dendio said:
The levels should be more open like in DN3D. Part of the fun was the exploration and secrets in the game.
Disagree. The vehicles control like someone rubbed jello on the tires. They could make them optional like crysis does though.Dendio said:
Wrong again. You are someone who haven't even played the previous one have you?Dendio said:
Multiplayer was probably the best part of the game. The huge variety of weapons and possibilities unparalleled by any other game on the market.
it dose in America(believe it or not) and its best not to question it any farther then thatInterAirplay said:
*shrug* Whether it makes sense or not, that's what it's called here in the States. We simply don't use the phrase "prize draw."InterAirplay said:
Where's the space to add any other complaints/comments?
I've got a hell of alot of other stuff to say than how I feel about the humour or driving sections.
I've got a hell of alot of other stuff to say than how I feel about the humour or driving sections.
Gearbox does use a lot of surveys, but I'm glad they asked the big question at the start: Did you play this game? Granted, they'll get some liars in there, because all surveys do, but I think it will help in some fashion.
The game was fun if you're not a graphics whore and are more patient than others. They keep that in the reboot and add more, count me in.
The game was fun if you're not a graphics whore and are more patient than others. They keep that in the reboot and add more, count me in.