TERA Review

[Burst6]

I love action RPG's but this games combat looks bad from what different videos on the internet give me. Maybe I'm used to those instance-based f2p MMOs like dragons nest that have great skillful combat systems that rely on a lot more than just dodging and counterattacking.

I'm playing a game right now called continent of the ninth (f2p multiplayer action RPG. It's in closed beta right now) and the combat is much more impressive.

Every class (10 released so far, eventually it'll have 17) has its own unique move set. There are no healing skills, there are no tanks that can draw aggro, and everything can be soloed with a bit of skill. Your only role in a party is to do a lot of damage without dying (Which gets really on later bosses and when the higher difficulties come out)

The combo system feels better too. Whenever i take my assassin; double jump into my enemy and hammer kick them into the ground so hard they bounce off, start juggling them with a combination of dagger attacks kicks and arrow shots, and then piledrive them into the ground, it always makes me feel like a badass. So does taking my illusionist and summoning a massive tornado to suck every enemy in and then summoning magical spinning blades of death inside the tornado to make sure everything dies. The combo system in TERA seems to be just a series of attacks that just serve to boost DPS and nothing more.


I don't know.. maybe this video isn't a good indicator of the combat in TERA, but it just looks so unimpressive. I looked at other videos online too but i just can't get excited for it. I'll look into TERA if they ever add a free trial, but other than that I'm not interested enough.





Edit: Mr. Funk, i just noticed your title. Thanks a lot, now i have to go to YouTube and listen to hundreds of touhou remixes. I was just about to do something productive too.

 

[Fearzone]

Interesting. Nice review. Combat in MMOs it mostly accepted as a perfunctory affair, and the fun lies in loot and building up your character in terms of gear, levels, appearance, mounts, gold, etc. Combat mostly serves to pace the game rather than be a barrier to completion, as we see in linear or semi-linear single player games.

The other area of fun, or should I say attachment, to MMOs, is grouping with people and forming guilds, and using guilds to further your gear. Gear and guilds, and a sense of shared fantasy, is enough to get one hooked on a good MMO.

So, I'm not totally sure that better combat is a problem that MMO players were really demanding be fixed, or needed to be fixed. I mean, I don't see good combat changing combats secondary role in an MMO. Just like a good background (or foreground) story is good but not essential. Still, it will be interesting to see how this does, and if the combat system really adds a new dimension that re-invigorates the genre.

If I were itching for an MMO fix I'd probably check out Rifts at this point rather than TERA, much as I appreciate the costume design of its female characters.

 

[major_chaos]

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Dynamic combat in GW2, really? because when I watched Totalbiscuit's videos it sure looked like all he ever did was stand perfectly still and spam ability rotations and everything was going down insanely fast, and the stamina bar that lets you doge looks like it recharges with the speed of a fat unmotivated sloth. As for your question of whats the draw, I would say that for me its simply that I haven't played enough MMOs to be sick of the WoW style questing but I have no tolerance for the WoW combat, and every single time a new "feature" of GW2 gets announced I think "god that sounds awful". (one example is the buzz around the fact that the world and cities are insanely huge and there is no mounts which has the fans going "OMG massive living world" and me thinking "oh god I spend enough time disinterestedly auto-running from place to place in a normal MMO and now I need to do more so the game can rub my face in the environments like a misbehaving dog")And i'm fine with the sub fee as far as TERA vs. GW2 goes because I dislike microtransactions immensely, at lest with the sub fee it feels like i'm getting the whole game.(seriously, $10 for extra character slots? fuck you NCsoft)

 

[John Funk]

Speaking as someone who has both Tera, and GW2. The combat, that is why. He played a lancer (Tank) Who don't really do damage at all and have the most boring combat, they are the ones that hold agro. But I play one of the two healer classes (Mystic, better pvp) and I can tell you now, I'm glad I now have a game where combat isn't dictated by equipment. I can still win against someone 4-5 levels above me, so long as I'm on the ball, even being a healer, because skill.

I could usually manage to do that in GW2 myself, provided I was smart about my movement, which made me really enjoy the combat and (thankfully) made it easier to survive wandering into a zone that's too high leveled for me (which is something they need to fix because that is so very easy to do....I would surprise myself how often I'd be in a zone that was a good 3-5 levels above the stuff I was supposed to be killing at low levels). So while that's good to hear, it's still not a feature unique to TERA. Since GW2 and TERA have the same aim with their combat, it seems they'd be the closest to compare against each other, and....judging from the footage I've seen (not just this review but other videos as well), I have to say that in terms of personal taste, I just like the feel of GW2 more. The fighting just seems far more exciting when I know I *can't* stand still and take damage, no matter what profession I play as. It forces me to move around, to plan, to be strategic and to think. And I like that. TERA seems to be mixing traditional class systems with action-adventure combat, and I'm not sure it hybridizes quite as well for me since the whole point of action-adventure combat is "don't get hit" and in traditional MMO models, the tank's SOLE ROLE is to get hit as much as possible so that the other players don't get hit. Those two styles seem to clash somewhat, especially if the tanks can still manage to stand still (thus defeating the point of movement-based combat).

But I suppose that's all personal taste.

In all fairness, that was not my character. I (the reviewer and writer of the script) was not able to capture footage of my ACTUAL character, so Greg (the narrator) had to do the prologue. And he chose a lancer and doesn't know how to play. Combat is a LOT more fun than what is demonstrated in the video.

Goodness, I would hope so. It looked just like every other MMO's combat with only minor movement changes, based on that footage. I tried doing that in GW2 due to being new to that style of combat, and I died....a lot, even in the early levels. That forced me to play more dynamically and fire on the go, moving around all the time, and eventually I came to prefer that combat. But in your video, he was taking his stand-still beating like a champ....which is part of the reason that I was amazed at how BORING it seemed. It wasn't at all like you were describing.

There are two types of tanks in TERA. One is the Lancer, which you saw in the video. It's more traditional, based around soaking damage, etc, but it can also manually block attacks to shield both it and any party members behind it, so it's a BIT more dynamic than in the video. Greg's just bad at playing the game (and in all fairness, he'd never played before when he had to shoot the footage. It was a tricky situation).

The other tank is the Warrior, who plays just like you describe - the Warrior is a much faster-paced evasion tank who survives by rolling and dodging out of the way before it can get hit. It's also a lot harder than the Lancer, and I haven't played with a good Warrior tank yet as a healer.

 

[John Funk]

There are two types of tanks in TERA. One is the Lancer, which you saw in the video. It's more traditional, based around soaking damage, etc, but it can also manually block attacks to shield both it and any party members behind it, so it's a BIT more dynamic than in the video. Greg's just bad at playing the game (and in all fairness, he'd never played before when he had to shoot the footage. It was a tricky situation).

The other tank is the Warrior, who plays just like you describe - the Warrior is a much faster-paced evasion tank who survives by rolling and dodging out of the way before it can get hit. It's also a lot harder than the Lancer, and I haven't played with a good Warrior tank yet as a healer.

That's informative, thank you. It's interesting that TERA opted to stick with more traditional combat roles despite having an action-adventure combat system, it just seems like an odd pairing.

I will say that I tried playing as a Guardian in GW2 and I found it damn hard to play for the same reason: much of the Guardian's weaponry is melee focused, and it's hard to play a profession that requires a ton of movement while also requiring melee combat. But it's also very interesting to watch good players do it, because when they get good....good lord do they get good. I'm impressed at anyone who manages to survive a role like that.

I actually really like it. I play a healer myself, and I *love* how it makes healer roles actually engaging rather than watching health bars and playing whack-a-mole. I need to get into combat for aoe heals, drop heals on areas, lock onto targets, and most importantly - mana regen isn't just a passive thing. I burn through MP quickly, but regen it quickly with an active skill. So for me, it's a question of trying to top everyone off, get in, and then quickly find some time to regen when I have a breather. Really fun.

 

[Rad Party God]

Nah, I'll pass, too expensive, also, I'm strictly not buying anything that requires a monthly fee. Maybe I'll try it whenever it goes F2P, but until then, thanks but no thanks.

I'm happy with my Guild Wars 2 preorder

 

[Tanakh]

I think Penny Arcade [http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/02] had the right idea. If we could somehow combine Star Wars: The Old Republic's story focus, Guild Wars 2's living world and dynamic questing systems, and TERA's actiony combat mechanics into a single, powerhouse experience... well, pretty much the world would end. (and it would be awesome).

I remember the comic and thinking "well, i disagree with every panel, but to each it's own"; then reading the news associated with the strip, seeing this:

You get hooked on the writing and story production of a Bioware Game, and The Old Republic was no exception; both of these games (ToR & GW2) have serious things to say about Player Vs. Player also.

And laughting at the total ignorance they show about MMO PvP. It was the joke of the week for the small group of PvP guys i play with.

Italics mine.

I actually really like it. I play a healer myself, and I *love* how it makes healer roles actually engaging rather than watching health bars and playing whack-a-mole. I need to get into combat for aoe heals, drop heals on areas, lock onto targets, and most importantly - mana regen isn't just a passive thing. I burn through MP quickly, but regen it quickly with an active skill. So for me, it's a question of trying to top everyone off, get in, and then quickly find some time to regen when I have a breather. Really fun.

Isn't that the standard way to regen mana as a healer? You could have wrote exactly the same about a WoW Paladin regen, word by word.

Anyway, i would play it if i had time. As it is now it seems a slight (if any) improvement over GW 2 combat and a sharp decay in every other area; and i do not have time to fool around, especially because the PvP which is what i do at endgame seems inane.

 

[Rainboq]

I would be interest, if not for the female armour sets. Seriously, if you want to have skimpy armour, fine, BUT DON'T MAKE IT BE THE BETTER ARMOUR. I'm pretty sure EC talked about it.

All of the armor is skimpy for females with the exception of the Amani, even the starting armor. It just turns into different kinds of skimpy.

-_- That just pisses me off, why the hell can't female avatars in these sorts of games ever dress sensibly?!

 

[VanQ]

The other tank is the Warrior, who plays just like you describe - the Warrior is a much faster-paced evasion tank who survives by rolling and dodging out of the way before it can get hit. It's also a lot harder than the Lancer, and I haven't played with a good Warrior tank yet as a healer.

I currently play a Warrior tank, only around level 35 at the moment. I have never played a tank class so exciting as the warrior. I really wish you had some footage of the Warrior class in action. Even a DPS Warrior is extremely flashy to watch in action.
Every action you take is preemptive, you absolutely can not afford to take that hit because your balance is low, your armor is leather and your healer is never good enough to catch you, at least in my experience. I spent a while tanking Sinestral Manor and let me tell you, you do not want to take a whack from Duke Volperon.
I also enjoy playing around and taking on BAMs of around the same level as myself solo in the world. I just love how any BAM in this game can be taken on solo if you have the skill (and patience) to attempt it. Should you happen to play on Basilisk Crag and want to see a (self proclaimed) good Warrior tank, hit up Shibuya any time.

I would be interest, if not for the female armour sets. Seriously, if you want to have skimpy armour, fine, BUT DON'T MAKE IT BE THE BETTER ARMOUR. I'm pretty sure EC talked about it.

All of the armor is skimpy for females with the exception of the Amani, even the starting armor. It just turns into different kinds of skimpy.

-_- That just pisses me off, why the hell can't female avatars in these sorts of games ever dress sensibly?!

Now, this is just simply not true. My warrior is always completely covered with at worst a low cut top. It is true that some of the caster classes, Sorcerers in particular, wear pretty risque outfits but it's not true to say all of them are. It should also be noted that certain set of armor actually change your character's hair style when worn, which is a pretty cool little feature in my opinion.

 

[dumbseizure]

Dynamic combat in GW2, really? because when I watched Totalbiscuit's videos it sure looked like all he ever did was stand perfectly still and spam ability rotations and everything was going down insanely fast, and the stamina bar that lets you doge looks like it recharges with the speed of a fat unmotivated sloth.

It's certainly more dynamic than TERA's appears to be.

See? We can both do this argument of he-said-she-said all day, except that GW2 is actually designed to make tanking impossible and TERA isn't, meaning that such an argument is pointless since it's pretty clear which game requires more movement in order to survive.

As for your question of whats the draw, I would say that for me its simply that I haven't played enough MMOs to be sick of the WoW style questing but I have no tolerance for the WoW combat

That's fine, it's a matter of personal taste. I just get sick of people trying to pretend TERA is doing something new when it's not. GW2 was announced before TERA and offers the same action-adventure style of combat (though arguably does it better since the combat requires movement, whereas TERA enables people to continue using the traditional MMO role of a tank....which sort of defeats the purpose of having movement in the first place, IMO), and WoW offers precisely the same questing system. You can say you like the way TERA hybridizes the two just fine, but you can't say that it's doing something new when it's not.

Hell, it's not even fair to say GW2 is doing something new as far as that style of combat since it's pretty standard action-adventure style combat.

and every single time a new "feature" of GW2 gets announced I think "god that sounds awful". (one example is the buzz around the fact that the world and cities are insanely huge and there is no mounts which has the fans going "OMG massive living world" and me thinking "oh god I spend enough time disinterestedly auto-running from place to place in a normal MMO and now I need to do more so the game can rub my face in the environments like a misbehaving dog")

Actually....this works incredibly well and never felt intrusive.

I'll admit, I was skeptical of the idea myself, until a certain point in the beta when I was sold on the idea. I needed a break so I had my character take a rest in the middle of a monastery. I figured that's the safest place you can be, right? lolnope. When I returned to the game mere minutes later, I found the place infested with demonic hellspawn from the Underworld pouring out of giant glowing portals. Needless to say, I had to rush to defend myself and close the portals. Then the game informed me that there were reports of more portals deeper in the swamp, so I followed my map and helped lead a small group of people into killing off the monsters and portals there, too. Feeling a bit invested by this point, I go deeper into the swamp when the game informs me that there's some kind of disturbance there. By this point our group has grown to a good 50-60 people as we clean out more portals and mobs. Finally, we finish that off, and then out of nowhere this GIANT demonic/undead black monster pops out of the ground. It's dropping AoE all over the field and opening portals which deploy more underworld monsters. People are running around to avoid AoE and dropping like flies. I found myself in a chaotic mess of a battle, sometimes dropping spells on the big monster in the center of the field, sometimes cleaning up nearby portals, and other times going to the aid of nearby downed players to help them back up. It was truly an amazing event and it's the most fun I've had playing a game in a very long time.

Apparently this was some sort of boss fight spawned by this recurring dynamic event system. It can be replayed if you wish or you can never bother with it if you wish also. But the thing that sold me on it is how completely random it was. It felt authentic and enjoyable because I found myself under attack seemingly at random, I wasn't asked to go kill 20 of a certain monster and then had to auto-run out to a field to kill that monster. I got thrown into battle, defended myself, and found myself facing down a boss in the span of less than an hour, and I honestly enjoyed the hell out of it. More power to you if you still find enjoyment in simple "kill X of Y" quests, but after experiencing that, I don't know if I, personally, can go back to those quests and enjoy them at all.

Also, mounts are stupid, honestly. They exist for two reasons in general:
1) To impress other people (which doesn't work on me at all)
2) To move faster (which isn't something I care too much about)

If you're all about impressing others, or are simply that impatient that you NEED that 10-25% speed boost, then perhaps you shouldn't play MMOs at all, since the whole point of having a big world is to be able to enjoy it. Otherwise you might as well just throw waypoints at people. Besides, GW2 has waypoints if you're that impatient as to not run across the world. It'll just cost you a small amount of gold to do so, which is quite honestly fair enough since you'd be paying *real money* for your mount anyways.

And i'm fine with the sub fee as far as TERA vs. GW2 goes because I dislike microtransactions immensely, at lest with the sub fee it feels like i'm getting the whole game.(seriously, $10 for extra character slots? fuck you NCsoft)

....except that the character slots are 100% optional, and you're still going to have character limits in TERA too, meaning that you'll have to pay for them in TERA if you want more characters just as readily as in GW2. I'm not sure what kind of argument you're trying to make here, but I certainly hope it wasn't that TERA is somehow cheaper than GW2. Because....it's not. Buy-once-play-forever is *always* cheaper than a subscription MMO because the microtransactions are *always* optional. They can sometimes be unbalanced as hell, but they're never required to play the game, so they don't count as required costs no matter how you twist your frame of reference. Whereas a subscription MUST be paid in order to keep playing.

There are two types of tanks in TERA. One is the Lancer, which you saw in the video. It's more traditional, based around soaking damage, etc, but it can also manually block attacks to shield both it and any party members behind it, so it's a BIT more dynamic than in the video. Greg's just bad at playing the game (and in all fairness, he'd never played before when he had to shoot the footage. It was a tricky situation).

The other tank is the Warrior, who plays just like you describe - the Warrior is a much faster-paced evasion tank who survives by rolling and dodging out of the way before it can get hit. It's also a lot harder than the Lancer, and I haven't played with a good Warrior tank yet as a healer.

That's informative, thank you. It's interesting that TERA opted to stick with more traditional combat roles despite having an action-adventure combat system, it just seems like an odd pairing.

I will say that I tried playing as a Guardian in GW2 and I found it damn hard to play for the same reason: much of the Guardian's weaponry is melee focused, and it's hard to play a profession that requires a ton of movement while also requiring melee combat. But it's also very interesting to watch good players do it, because when they get good....good lord do they get good. I'm impressed at anyone who manages to survive a role like that.

I don't see the point in comparing GW2 and Tera.
I have played both and they are unique games, even to each other.

Also, not quite sure when Tera was announced but it was originally released in Korea in 2011, and then brought out to NA, EU and so forth. I think that still makes it even, Gw2 probably being announced earlier, but no details about combat, where as Tera was released first with similar (they are far from being the same) combat.

Wait, this confuses me, GW2 does combat better than Tera because there is no tank? It is the design of Tera to include DPS, Tank and healers. It is the design of GW2 to supposedly get rid of those 3 subsets of classes. Just because of the design of the classes doesn't make GW2's combat better than Teras, because that is how it was designed to be originally. If they both had tanks, healers and DPS then you could make that argument.

I enjoy mounts. Why? Because there are specific areas for specific levels. And, seeing as each area for each level obviously can't be too close, they have to be spread out. And how do we get there quicker? Mounts. Just comes down to the overall design of how they want their game to work, again.

You don't need to buy character slots in Tera. Or more accurately, I am pretty sure you can't. For each server, you can have 8 character slots I think. Which is enough for 1 character of each class. His argument wasn't that Tera is cheaper. It is that when you buy it, you feel like you get the game as a whole.

With his character slot example. With Tera, you buy the game, and you get 8 character slots for each server, which is 1 for each class. With GW2 (I am assuming) you probably get around 4? Which isn't even enough for each class. So, In order to have a character for each class, you have to dish out $10 for each additional character you want past your 4 standard ones. Tera feels more like a full game, because you can have 1 of each class and not have to buy anything else, where as with GW2, if you want one of each class, that is an additional $40. (Of course, all that is under the assumption that, if I remember correctly, there is only 4 character slots and 8 classes).

 

[John Funk]

I think Penny Arcade [http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/02] had the right idea. If we could somehow combine Star Wars: The Old Republic's story focus, Guild Wars 2's living world and dynamic questing systems, and TERA's actiony combat mechanics into a single, powerhouse experience... well, pretty much the world would end. (and it would be awesome).

I remember the comic and thinking "well, i disagree with every panel, but to each it's own"; then reading the news associated with the strip, seeing this:

You get hooked on the writing and story production of a Bioware Game, and The Old Republic was no exception; both of these games (ToR & GW2) have serious things to say about Player Vs. Player also.

And laughting at the total ignorance they show about MMO PvP. It was the joke of the week for the small group of PvP guys i play with.

Italics mine.

I actually really like it. I play a healer myself, and I *love* how it makes healer roles actually engaging rather than watching health bars and playing whack-a-mole. I need to get into combat for aoe heals, drop heals on areas, lock onto targets, and most importantly - mana regen isn't just a passive thing. I burn through MP quickly, but regen it quickly with an active skill. So for me, it's a question of trying to top everyone off, get in, and then quickly find some time to regen when I have a breather. Really fun.

Isn't that the standard way to regen mana as a healer? You could have wrote exactly the same about a WoW Paladin regen, word by word.

Anyway, i would play it if i had time. As it is now it seems a slight (if any) improvement over GW 2 combat and a sharp decay in every other area; and i do not have time to fool around, especially because the PvP which is what i do at endgame seems inane.

Not exactly. It's not like a cooldown thing you just pop like Divine Plea, it's an active charge thing, where the longer you charge it the more you get back. So sometimes you only get to charge for a second or two and get a little back, enough for only one spell. sometimes you get to let the whole thing go through.

It's more about consecrating specific areas for aoe heals than anything else.

 

[Tanakh]

Not exactly. It's not like a cooldown thing you just pop like Divine Plea, it's an active charge thing, where the longer you charge it the more you get back. So sometimes you only get to charge for a second or two and get a little back, enough for only one spell. sometimes you get to let the whole thing go through.

Isn't that exactly how you use Divine Plea in progression raiding and PvP? With a cancel aura macro obv.

I see how it is different though, albeit marginally. To have a perfect translation you would need plea to reduce your healing by 100% or to silence you

Wait, this confuses me, GW2 does combat better than Tera because there is no tank? It is the design of Tera to include DPS, Tank and healers. It is the design of GW2 to supposedly get rid of those 3 subsets of classes. Just because of the design of the classes doesn't make GW2's combat better than Teras, because that is how it was designed to be originally. If they both had tanks, healers and DPS then you could make that argument.

I think he said more movible without a tank. And while i see why he would say that... well, i dunno, did you ever did progression raids in WoW Cata? Mobility is a must in more than half of them, you can only do a more movible fight than progression Omnitron if your toons ran all the time.

 

[major_chaos]

It's certainly more dynamic than TERA's appears to be.

See? We can both do this argument of he-said-she-said all day, except that GW2 is actually designed to make tanking impossible and TERA isn't, meaning that such an argument is pointless since it's pretty clear which game requires more movement in order to survive.

I realize that my statement came off as snark but I was genuinely asking a question, I would love it if you could link me a video of someone playing GW2 and moving and dodging about and making the combat look interesting, my point was just that *from what I saw* GW2's combat was boring WoW style tab-target, I would love to see something prove me wrong becuse I would like an MMO with combat even better than TERA

Actually....this works incredibly well and never felt intrusive.

I'll admit, I was skeptical of the idea myself, until a certain point in the beta when I was sold on the idea. I needed a break so I had my character take a rest in the middle of a monastery. I figured that's the safest place you can be, right? lolnope. When I returned to the game mere minutes later, I found the place infested with demonic hellspawn from the Underworld pouring out of giant glowing portals. Needless to say, I had to rush to defend myself and close the portals. Then the game informed me that there were reports of more portals deeper in the swamp, so I followed my map and helped lead a small group of people into killing off the monsters and portals there, too. Feeling a bit invested by this point, I go deeper into the swamp when the game informs me that there's some kind of disturbance there. By this point our group has grown to a good 50-60 people as we clean out more portals and mobs. Finally, we finish that off, and then out of nowhere this GIANT demonic/undead black monster pops out of the ground. It's dropping AoE all over the field and opening portals which deploy more underworld monsters. People are running around to avoid AoE and dropping like flies. I found myself in a chaotic mess of a battle, sometimes dropping spells on the big monster in the center of the field, sometimes cleaning up nearby portals, and other times going to the aid of nearby downed players to help them back up. It was truly an amazing event and it's the most fun I've had playing a game in a very long time.

Apparently this was some sort of boss fight spawned by this recurring dynamic event system. It can be replayed if you wish or you can never bother with it if you wish also. But the thing that sold me on it is how completely random it was. It felt authentic and enjoyable because I found myself under attack seemingly at random, I wasn't asked to go kill 20 of a certain monster and then had to auto-run out to a field to kill that monster. I got thrown into battle, defended myself, and found myself facing down a boss in the span of less than an hour, and I honestly enjoyed the hell out of it. More power to you if you still find enjoyment in simple "kill X of Y" quests, but after experiencing that, I don't know if I, personally, can go back to those quests and enjoy them at all.

While that does sound interesting I was also referring to cities and how they are supposedly massive as well but there isn't going to be anything going on but lots of walking. The primary thing that got me worried about this is when I saw someone GUSHING about how they got lost in a large city for fifteen minutes and still hadn't found whatever it was they were looking for and how that alone was PROOF that GW2 was the best MMO ever, when that just sounds painful to me

Also, mounts are stupid, honestly. They exist for two reasons in general:
1) To impress other people (which doesn't work on me at all)
2) To move faster (which isn't something I care too much about)

If you're all about impressing others, or are simply that impatient that you NEED that 10-25% speed boost, then perhaps you shouldn't play MMOs at all, since the whole point of having a big world is to be able to enjoy it. Otherwise you might as well just throw waypoints at people. Besides, GW2 has waypoints if you're that impatient as to not run across the world. It'll just cost you a small amount of gold to do so, which is quite honestly fair enough since you'd be paying *real money* for your mount anyways.

The thing about "enjoying the world" is that if I want to look at scenery there is this place called "outside" if a big world in a game is going to be enjoyable there either needs to be a way to get from point A to point B quickly(mounts or waypoints), or things need to happen between the two points and GW2 seems to be one of the first to try the later.

....except that the character slots are 100% optional

not to me they aren't, as my standard practice in RPGS is to level one of every class to an early milestone and then decide what I like most.

and you're still going to have character limits in TERA too, meaning that you'll have to pay for them in TERA if you want more characters just as readily as in GW2.

I have one of every class on one sever and one other on a PvP server and the game hasn't given me any trouble so if there are limits they are very high, while I assume the the defualt limit in GW2 is going to be two or three, otherwise no one would feel the need to pay ten buck for more.

I'm not sure what kind of argument you're trying to make here, but I certainly hope it wasn't that TERA is somehow cheaper than GW2. Because....it's not. Buy-once-play-forever is *always* cheaper than a subscription MMO because the microtransactions are *always* optional. They can sometimes be unbalanced as hell, but they're never required to play the game, so they don't count as required costs no matter how you twist your frame of reference. Whereas a subscription MUST be paid in order to keep playing.

I'm not trying to say that what I am trying to say is that A. I dislike my game being sold to me in pieces, that's one reason why I'm done with CoD is i'm sick of the inevitable three or four map packs and B. for *me personally* TERA is actually looking like the smaller initial investment at $50 for the game and at most $100 for the sub (and that' a full year)as compared to GW2's $60 for the game $30-$60 depending on how many you start with for enough character slots to try all the classes, and on top of that IIRC armor is purely cosmetic and bought from the cash shop, with stats being determined by dropped items that don't make any visual difference, and while I don't care what other people think its going to start bothering me when I hit 30 and still look like I just waltzed off the starting platform, so that's another $20 to not look retarded, and suddenly I realize that at least the sub fee spreads it out over time. (the part about the armor is based off something I heard from a friend and may be total bullshit so feel free to correct me on that one)

 

[Paragon Fury]

The other tank is the Warrior, who plays just like you describe - the Warrior is a much faster-paced evasion tank who survives by rolling and dodging out of the way before it can get hit. It's also a lot harder than the Lancer, and I haven't played with a good Warrior tank yet as a healer.

I currently play a Warrior tank, only around level 35 at the moment. I have never played a tank class so exciting as the warrior. I really wish you had some footage of the Warrior class in action. Even a DPS Warrior is extremely flashy to watch in action.
Every action you take is preemptive, you absolutely can not afford to take that hit because your balance is low, your armor is leather and your healer is never good enough to catch you, at least in my experience. I spent a while tanking Sinestral Manor and let me tell you, you do not want to take a whack from Duke Volperon.
I also enjoy playing around and taking on BAMs of around the same level as myself solo in the world. I just love how any BAM in this game can be taken on solo if you have the skill (and patience) to attempt it. Should you happen to play on Basilisk Crag and want to see a (self proclaimed) good Warrior tank, hit up Shibuya any time.

I would be interest, if not for the female armour sets. Seriously, if you want to have skimpy armour, fine, BUT DON'T MAKE IT BE THE BETTER ARMOUR. I'm pretty sure EC talked about it.

All of the armor is skimpy for females with the exception of the Amani, even the starting armor. It just turns into different kinds of skimpy.

-_- That just pisses me off, why the hell can't female avatars in these sorts of games ever dress sensibly?!

Now, this is just simply not true. My warrior is always completely covered with at worst a low cut top. It is true that some of the caster classes, Sorcerers in particular, wear pretty risque outfits but it's not true to say all of them are. It should also be noted that certain set of armor actually change your character's hair style when worn, which is a pretty cool little feature in my opinion.

I think you may be ignoring the Castanics and most female High Elf outfits.....

 

[Noxogz]

And i'm fine with the sub fee as far as TERA vs. GW2 goes because I dislike microtransactions immensely, at lest with the sub fee it feels like i'm getting the whole game.(seriously, $10 for extra character slots? fuck you NCsoft)

Then you also won't like TERA that on top of having a sub fee it also has a cash shop! [http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/premium-services-novelty-items-now-available]

And before you tell me that WoW also has a cash shop alongside a sub fee, they sure as shit didn't implement it when it's not even been a month since release and the stuff you buy in WoW's cash shop is account wide. That's right, those pretty weapons you see there, they're soulbound to a SINGLE character, they can not be sold nor traded, they can't even be stashed in your bank, they have a time limit of 5 years (and let's face it, this is not WoW nor EVE and much less EQ1, very few people will still be playing this game long enough for them to expire) and best of all they're $10 each.

That's 10 bucks for an item that can't be obtained by any means in-game and is only for ONE SINGLE TOON, but that's not all, this is only the first batch of items to come, all of these can only be purchased until June or July (I forgot when exactly) and then they'll be replaced by a new batch of items that can ONLY be obtained in the cash shop and will also cost $10 each.

Now before you tell me it doesn't matter if it's for only one toon, you only need it for one after all how many lancers are you gonna have, well aren't you the one complaining about having to pay for extra character slots?

Now I won't dispute your other comments, I disagree with you but it pretty much boils down to personal preference. I like GW2, you like TERA, I can respect that.

But if you're gonna say you don't like GW2 because it has microtransactions, you might want to take a closer look at what En Masse is doing with TERA before you do.

 

[major_chaos]

And i'm fine with the sub fee as far as TERA vs. GW2 goes because I dislike microtransactions immensely, at lest with the sub fee it feels like i'm getting the whole game.(seriously, $10 for extra character slots? fuck you NCsoft)

Then you also won't like TERA that on top of having a sub fee it also has a cash shop! [http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/premium-services-novelty-items-now-available]

And before you tell me that WoW also has a cash shop alongside a sub fee, they sure as shit didn't implement it when it's not even been a month since release and the stuff you buy in WoW's cash shop is account wide. That's right, those pretty weapons you see there, they're soulbound to a SINGLE character, they can not be sold nor traded, they can't even be stashed in your bank, they have a time limit of 5 years (and let's face it, this is not WoW nor EVE and much less EQ1, very few people will still be playing this game long enough for them to expire) and best of all they're $10 each.

That's 10 bucks for an item that can't be obtained by any means in-game and is only for ONE SINGLE TOON, but that's not all, this is only the first batch of items to come, all of these can only be purchased until June or July (I forgot when exactly) and then they'll be replaced by a new batch of items that can ONLY be obtained in the cash shop and will also cost $10 each.

Now before you tell me it doesn't matter if it's for only one toon, you only need it for one after all how many lancers are you gonna have, well aren't you the one complaining about having to pay for extra character slots?

Now I won't dispute your other comments, I disagree with you but it pretty much boils down to personal preference. I like GW2, you like TERA, I can respect that.

But if you're gonna say you don't like GW2 because it has microtransactions, you might want to take a closer look at what En Masse is doing with TERA before you do.

for what its worth I was unaware of the cash shop when I bought the game and I think it was added post release. Second while I dislike cash shops all the time the one in TERA doesn't sell anything as significant as character slots, and I don't care about the one in WoW because I loath WoW for so many other reasons that the cash shop isn't even in the top five. Also I feel the need to say that I don't hate GW2 as I haven't played it, I just haven't been impressed by what I have heard about it, so I'm hoping for a D3 style open beta weekend so I can try it myself and form my own opinion based on experience not speculation.

 

[VanQ]

I think you may be ignoring the Castanics and most female High Elf outfits.....

Nope, I play a High Elf female and I can confidently say that my character is pretty much covered up. Probably showing less skin than most of the girls at my university most of the time. Castanic females are almost as rare as Elin on my server, most of them that I've seen look pretty decent.
I wasn't aware the Escapist was such a horribly conservative place... Oh wait...

 

[Shjade]

The idea of playing a badger man intrigues me. But a $60 box + sub fee is too much to invest in any game right now. When it goes F2P (and it will) I'm sure I'll take a look at it.

That's pretty much my take on it: I'd probably play it if F2P (as it looks more fun than Vindictus, and with more options), but I'm done with subscription games.

Guild Wars 2 has my attention for that reason.

 

[John Funk]

Not exactly. It's not like a cooldown thing you just pop like Divine Plea, it's an active charge thing, where the longer you charge it the more you get back. So sometimes you only get to charge for a second or two and get a little back, enough for only one spell. sometimes you get to let the whole thing go through.

Isn't that exactly how you use Divine Plea in progression raiding and PvP? With a cancel aura macro obv.

I see how it is different though, albeit marginally. To have a perfect translation you would need plea to reduce your healing by 100% or to silence you

Wait, this confuses me, GW2 does combat better than Tera because there is no tank? It is the design of Tera to include DPS, Tank and healers. It is the design of GW2 to supposedly get rid of those 3 subsets of classes. Just because of the design of the classes doesn't make GW2's combat better than Teras, because that is how it was designed to be originally. If they both had tanks, healers and DPS then you could make that argument.

I think he said more movible without a tank. And while i see why he would say that... well, i dunno, did you ever did progression raids in WoW Cata? Mobility is a must in more than half of them, you can only do a more movible fight than progression Omnitron if your toons ran all the time.

Eh. I raid as prot. What do I know about Divine Plea?

It does feel a lot more dynamic and active than, say, healing on my druid though.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Game contains the sexualised images of prepubescent children and should be ignored to death.

That's all the review you need.