Tera vs. Guild Wars 2

[jehk]

My opinion on the matter (I know, you asked): The "loli" race is supposed to be a very non-sexual race, who are more like nature spirits (from what I hear). However, the reason why they make us uncomfortable with their appearance isn't just from the scantily clad outfits. In all aspects they appear to be child-like, except for one thing: hips. They've got the hips and thighs of a developed woman, which generates conflicting images. On one hand they look like children, on the other they have something potentially arousing about them. The clothing doesn't help. It's quite easy to see why a lot of people find it disturbing.

Thanks for an actual answer. I can kinda understand. I still wouldn't call their hips that of a developed women.

 

[nu1mlock]

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus.

You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera.

 

[jehk]

you can't do cool combos

What? My slayer does some pretty cool combos. How is Vindictus different?

 

[NathLines]

Tera has too many scantily clad prepubescent girls.

too many

Haha. No such thing.

OT: I would definitely recommend GW2 based on my knowledge. I played the latest beta. Though the gameplay is just your normal point 'n click MMO, it's the most polished of them. I did think it would be a bit more actiony. It would be SOOOOO much better if you could toggle so that you won't have to hold in the right mouse button to pan the camera. Still, it was just a beta.

Something that I didn't expect to enjoy so much was the story quests. Seriously, they really grew on me. My friend even said that that's probably where he got the most enjoyment out of the game. Other than, running around with random people and killing stuff together is great fun. I didn't try out the PvP, I was busy trying to get the know the different classes.

As for TERA, I really can't see how it can justify a subscription fee. Aside from the combat, it doesn't seem to offer anything that we haven't seen before.

Btw, just my take on all of this pedo bullcrap - If it has a distinctive artstyle, it isn't a problem. Now if games with realistic graphic styles features small girls in skimpy clothing, THEN we have a problem.

 

[nu1mlock]

you can't do cool combos

What? My slayer does some pretty cool combos. How is Vindictus different?

I knew someone would say that. You've obviously not tried Vindictus. Pressing 1, 2, 3 or 1, spacebar, spacebar, spacebar isn't the same as Vindictus combat and it's combos.

Feel free to look up Vindictus if you're interested. Point is Tera is NOT Vindictus with an open world, the combat is very different.

 

[Lunar Templar]

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus.

You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera.

>.> chains? on The White Tyrant? -.- why ..... none of them are hard enough to warrant the use of chains. unless your talking about the new one in the 'unknown zone', not bothered with anything but Elchulus of that set.

:/ but that kinda bums me out.

but least it'll save me a bunch a money

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Haha. No such thing.

That's kind of dodgy, dude...

One scantily clad prepubescent girl is too many...

 

[bliebblob]

Can you play GW2 with a control pad?

Apparently you can use one in Tera, is that correct? If one offered it and the other didn't that would make my choice easy.

As long as you could assign the keys, then yeah, I bet GW2 would be playable with a pad, or many-buttoned mouse. There's a limited suite of skills that need to be assigned.

Tera not so much, it has the same ability scope as games like WoW and Rift.

As someone who seriously looked into doing this, I'd advice against it. Let's look at the xbox 360 controller for example.

Left analog stick: movement
Right analog stick: camera

So far so good but this is where it gets tricky. You still have 4 shoulder buttons and 4 action buttons on the right (X Y A B).
And you should somehow fit 10 skills on them, plus buttons for weapon switch, jump and dodge? Not to mention the class-specific extra buttons like the elementalist's 4 element attunements.
I guess you could use the 4 directional buttons on the left as 4 extra action buttons but there's a reason xbox games never do that: you can't press them while moving around since your thumb is on the left analog stick. It may not seem like a big deal but it's pretty inconvenient in the heat of battle.

And don't even get me started on navigating menus, your inventory or the auction house. And the biggest one of them all: typing!

Those last few issues are not combat related though, so I guess you could just use the pad exclusively during combat and keyboard + mouse otherwise. (Provided you somehow solve the problems I mentioned earlier) But that isn't really an option either when you, like me, were planning to hook your pc up to you tv with an HDMI cable and than play from the sofa with a wireless controller.

If any of you see a convenient solution to all this I'd be very happy to hear it. Personally, the only thing I can think of is buying a pc gamepad with more buttons than an xbox 360 controller. Or to "create" extra buttons through button combinations like "upper left shoulder button + A". But that still wouldn't solve the issues outside of combat and there's a fair chance that the button combo thing won't even be possible.

OT: GW2 all the way. Honestly I don't know much about TERA but it looks veeeery korean, wich is an instant no-no for me.

 

[nu1mlock]

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus.

You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera.

>.> chains? on The White Tyrant? -.- why ..... none of them are hard enough to warrant the use of chains. unless your talking about the new one in the 'unknown zone', not bothered with anything but Elchulus of that set.

:/ but that kinda bums me out.

but least it'll save me a bunch a money

No, I only meant that's something you CAN do (use chains for example) in Vindictus but not in Tera. I was trying to point out a difference, not saying I would use chains on the polar bear.

 

[jehk]

I knew someone would say that. You've obviously not tried Vindictus. Pressing 1, 2, 3 or 1, spacebar, spacebar, spacebar isn't the same as Vindictus combat and it's combos.

Feel free to look up Vindictus if you're interested. Point is Tera is NOT Vindictus with an open world, the combat is very different.

But I did play Vindictus. I don't remember what's so different about them. Maybe my memory is faulty. Which is why I asked. You don't seem intent on answering my question so whatever.

 

[ImperialSunlight]

I'll be playing GW2, since I prefer the story, general aesthetic style and gameplay in it to TERA and it lacks a subscription fee. I find subscription fees ridiculous for most games these days, so TERA is not an option for me. I would go into more depth, but I'll leave it at that since I'm kinda busy with work.

Oh, and I also played the recent BWE for GW2 and it was fantastic, especially for a beta.

 

[lacktheknack]

Well, that went bad quickly.

OT: Neither. I'm not an MMO guy. If forced, I'd pick GW2 because it doesn't have a subscription.

 

[nu1mlock]

I knew someone would say that. You've obviously not tried Vindictus. Pressing 1, 2, 3 or 1, spacebar, spacebar, spacebar isn't the same as Vindictus combat and it's combos.

Feel free to look up Vindictus if you're interested. Point is Tera is NOT Vindictus with an open world, the combat is very different.

But I did play Vindictus. I don't remember what's so different about them. Maybe my memory is faulty. Which is why I asked. You don't seem intent on answering my question so whatever.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way.

As I said, you can't take advantage of the environment in Tera the same way you an in Vindictus, you can't use spears or chains to cripple an enemy, you can't grab anything or anyone and you can't do the same kind of combos in Tera as you can in Vindictus.

And again, pressing button X and then spacebar, spacebar, spacebar is not a combo. It's a way to chain different skills without having to look up the correct button for it. You can manually add skills to chain. It's macroing, not combos.

Edit: Perhaps macro isn't the right word for it as macros usually are more automatic. Maybe a better term would be "chains", which they are also called in Tera. Not combos, chains of manually selected skills.

 

[Kyoh]

Thanks for an actual answer. I can kinda understand. I still wouldn't call their hips that of a developed women.

Agree to disagree.

If you look at most preteen girls, their legs and waist are built like sticks. They're still undeveloped. The Ellin have a very flat and thin upper body, but their lower half flares out like the bottom of an hourglass. Those curves are developed during most girl's teen years when they become women.

Regardless, I think the whole controversy has been blown way out of proportion. I don't think it's crossed any moral boundaries, but it is off putting to some, and I can see why. In the end it's all aesthetics and personal preference.

 

[Lunar Templar]

though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.

I've played Vindictus quite and bit and no, Tera is not Vindictus in an open world. It's all other MMO's but you can dodge and block. And miss your attacks (because you aim at something else, like the ground or a tree). Other than that it's not like Vindictus.

You can't grab anything, you can't do cool combos, you can't use the environment to your advantage, you can't trap a polar bear with chains. The combat you know from Vindictus is not in Tera.

>.> chains? on The White Tyrant? -.- why ..... none of them are hard enough to warrant the use of chains. unless your talking about the new one in the 'unknown zone', not bothered with anything but Elchulus of that set.

:/ but that kinda bums me out.

but least it'll save me a bunch a money

No, I only meant that's something you CAN do (use chains for example) in Vindictus but not in Tera. I was trying to point out a difference, not saying I would use chains on the polar bear.

poor example then, since chaining Trolls and Kobolds (deep harrow frost) and Goblins are much more better.

ether way, still a bummer :/ i was looking for ward to playing Tera to

 

[Don Savik]

Wait, do the prepubescent girls race have a male counterpart?

Here's what i found from the tera wiki.
"the Elin and the animal-like Popori are listed as one race. This is because the Popori is not a singular race so much as a nation of woodland familiars and spirits. The means by which they procreate and have offspring is not like other beings who are purely flesh. Interviews with the producers of TERA Online have stated that the males are like woodland spirits and the females (Elin) are akin to dryads and nymphs." -From the Tera Wiki

But OT: definitely going with GW2 then i can still play SW:TOR for all 8 stories(got 2 done and 3 on the way, one of each advanced class for spice ). and not have to pay monthly for GW2. Even though i have a hard time keeping up with two mmo's at once.

So the pre-pubescent cat girls have sex with beavers and dogs and bunny people?

[sub]what in the actual fuck...[/sub]


Man.....Asians are weird.


OT: WINNER....GUILD WARS 2! Because you can have original design choices that aren't bizzare and profoundly stupid! Because you don't have a subscription! Because you can have male characters that don't wear V necks that go down to the crotch! Because you're questing is better! Because the pvp is better! Because other things! Yay guild wars 2......

 

[Scow2]

The problem with GW2 is that cos there is no endgame as such, its just scaling your stats down and doing the leveling content again, I suspect you have to play it extremely casually to avoid the dynamic events feeling samey. And once you're bored of dynamic events, that's it, your done with the game cos there are only 7 dungeons in the entire game. (Explorable mode does not count as a separate dungeon.)

So, despite offering different maps, different layouts, different assets, different challenges, and different storylines, they don't count as "different"? Wat.

Furthermore, there is an "Endgame" as we've come to know them. However, on top of that End Game, you can also go and see what the rest of the world has to offer that you "missed" climbing to the top.

World of Warcraft would have been a LOT better if I could have "Gone back" with my Level 85 Worgen Warrior and explored and played in the rest of the world, the stuff I failed to do (Such as all of Kalimdor, and everywhere in Outland that isn't Nagrand or Hellfire Peninsula)... and then do some of the Classic raids of Yesteryear, such as Molten Core and Upper Blackrock Spire. As it was, I scurried to avoid overleveling through Stranglethorn.

And "Random Events will become samey" is less likely to happen (And will have less severe repercussions) than being out of Unique Quests and having nothing left to do but grind dailies waiting for the next content patch.

So the pre-pubescent cat girls have sex with beavers and dogs and bunny people?

[sub]what in the actual fuck...[/sub]

No, no they do not. They don't have sex at all. They may form strong bonds with each other, but it's not sexual, and probably reproduce by spontaneous generation and maybe magic dust.

Haha. No such thing.

That's kind of dodgy, dude...

One scantily clad prepubescent girl is too many...

Please stay away from the real world, then. Because it's full of them.

 

[Jun_Jun]

GW2 meanwhile, I was not wowed with the 2 days i played, the lag, bugs and stuttering affected my enjoyment and while I know it will probably be fixed, I have have to use it to judge it now. In addition it seemed too easy to suddenly die and then trying to figure out how to win at that mini game type thing was horrible, These are problem that could of been alleviated if there was anything to explain game mechanics, I like figuring out things for myself, like skillchains in FFXI, but I don't like getting blindsided by mandatory things that shouldn't be a secret. Other then that my only gripe is that combat lacked weight.

Note that's not the same as lacking complexity, but i never felt like what i was doing was actually affecting the monsters, they barely reacted when I used a big attack that wiped out half their health and my auto-attack gave me the impression I was shooting gumballs at them with a slingshot rather than rapidly shooting them with a gun. I'm not complaining about the damage or anything mechanical, but rather something cosmetic that kept me from connecting with the game itself. I would use my blowtorch skill and wouldn't be sure if I hit the enemy or completely missed and wasn't sure if it mattered and thats when I started feeling like I was wasting time.

I came away from GW2 beta weekend with a negative impression but then I think about everything else it has and I really want to play it, I just hope my issues are cleaned up at launch and aren't considered finished.

All I can say is Beta is Beta, this is a true Beta for the game that's why you're playing to break the game and find bugs,make suggestions if things weren't clear, to be honest you should have gotten on the Beta forums and put up suggestions if you thought a tutorial was lacking. I know a lot of MMOs treat their Beta events like a free trial before launch but as I said this is a real Traditional Beta and yes there will be lag and server problems, next Beta Weekend Event will probably be more streamlined (server wise), they learned a tonne from this last one. You should hang in there and take part in the next one and if there are problems jump on the forums they have to leave a suggestion for them, they will take it in if enough people jump behind it.

 

[Emiscary]

I like my porn and my games to be mutually exclusive experiences. Watching models in bathing suits passionately slapping each other is all well and good, but it shouldn't be part of an epic fantasy tale.

Yeah, some of the more human races err a bit on the overly sexualized/pretty. But that tends to be the exception in GW2- it's the rule in TERA.

 

[Scow2]

I like my porn and my games to be mutually exclusive experiences. Watching models in bathing suits passionately slapping each other is all well and good, but it shouldn't be part of an epic fantasy tale.

Yeah, some of the more human races err a bit on the overly sexualized/pretty. But that tends to be the exception in GW2- it's the rule in TERA.

I wish the Charr would have more outfits that went for sexualized and Pretty in GW2.