Tera vs. Guild Wars 2

[Ympulse]

To recap this issue, for anyone that got lost:

Tera is a prostitution simulator. With a Korean grind minigame.

GW2 is being balanced and developed with competitive play in mind.

GW2 is the better game, just saying.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

If Tera has pedophilia, then WoW has genocide and TOR has slavery.

What are you trying to say here? That this game will make people more liable to go and have sex with little children? Because I don't think any children were harmed during the making of this game. What exactly could your problem be? Oh no, someone is watching virtual, computer-generated child sexuality. Now they're probably going to jerk off! How dare someone masturbate to things I don't also like.

The only excuse I can find for not tolerating this is because it enables more child pornography, and that's just like saying videogames make people into killers.

Yeah you're getting a little over excited, guy. There isn't anything legally questionable about Tera. It's just sleazy and creepy. It's not about "not tolerating" it, or trying to get it banned, or something. I'm just making fun of it, the same way you might make fun of, say, Nickelback. I will say that TIL Tera fans are incredibly defensive, though.

 

[DementedSheep]

The character designs in Tera make me want to puke so GW 2 wins by default even if I wasn?t already a GW fan.
Yes that?s a shallow reason to not like a game but it would be annoying me constantly as I try to play it.
Although this is not a sexism issue, the guys seem to also be in stupid over sexualised armour. The ones that look like kids are a little creep though, I?ll give you that.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

You certainly seemed like you were condemning it as opposed to just making fun, as evidenced by your repeated references to pedophilia. Sorry if I misunderstood your tone.

And no, I haven't even played Tera. I'm still a bit jaded by that thread about watching child porn though.

Well I'm condemnatory to the extent that I think the art style, character design and general marketing push of the game is puerile and merits extraordinary levels of ridicule. I'm not condemnatory to the extent that I think the game is wicked, or that the people playing it are actual pederasts. I'm not going to apologize for making fun of them for enjoying something so stupid, though, in the same way I would bug a friend who enjoyed listening to Rebecca Black.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

It's a cultural thing though. Asian games tend to be a lot on the skimpy clothing side, for females at least. Target audience and all that, kind of how the west apparently has a stiffy for super-gritty wartime macho fantasies.

Guild Wars 2 has pretty skimpy clothing, but it's inside the range where you shrug and say "Well, it is a fantasy game I suppose". I'm not going to go on a jihad about proper representation of armor or about objectification in games because that's going to end up casting a pretty wide net. Tera just goes past the point of "Woo woo, sexy" and into the realm of the back alley porn store with the curiously greasy feeling door handle.

 

[freaper]

I've played both games' beta.

I liked both games' beta, but I did get bored near the end of TERA's beta, which did not happen near the end of GW2's beta.

-Both have innovative combat for an MMO, but GW2's is still more fluid than TERA's.
-They both have visually stunning graphics and aesthetics, albeit one being obviously more Korean styled (TERA), and the other appearing more western (GW2).
-TERA's questing system was boring as shit; "kill 10 boars", "collect 5 boar tusks", etc.. GW2 doesn't have traditional quests, but gets you involved with the story of each location extremely easily by just entering certain areas.
-Partying up in TERA is still the same; "LFG", "GLF Healer, DPS", etc.. In GW2 literally the only time I had to join a party was to enter a dungeon, or make it easier for someone to find me on the map. Otherwise I'd be completing Skill challenges and Events with other people without having to forcefully team up.
-In TERA whoever gets the first hit on a mob and deals sufficient damage gets the loot/kill/exp. In GW2, as long as you contribute 10% in bringing down a mob you get rewarded with loot/kill/exp.
-For TERA you pay full retail price and then still 15? a month, while for GW2 you only pay the full retail price. There will be free updates and events in GW2, like in GW1, and just like in GW1 the new campaigns will be paid standalone.

If you want to play a good MMORPG, you can play both. If you want to play a good game, you'll want to play GW2.

P.S.: Don't get me started on Elins and the scanty armour.

EDIT: I forgot to add that GW2 has a deep and rich personal story and great character customization, while TERA has a more complex character customization but a story worth jack shit.

 

[jehk]

Guild Wars 2 has pretty skimpy clothing, but it's inside the range where you shrug and say "Well, it is a fantasy game I suppose". I'm not going to go on a jihad about proper representation of armor or about objectification in games because that's going to end up casting a pretty wide net. Tera just goes past the point of "Woo woo, sexy" and into the realm of the back alley porn store with the curiously greasy feeling door handle.

The worst you get is the typical fan service (ie panty / swimsuit shots) in Tera. That's pretty damn far from porn. Whatever, I get rational informed opinions aren't your thing.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The worst you get is the typical fan service (ie panty / swimsuit shots) in Tera. That's pretty damn far from porn. Whatever, I get rational informed opinions aren't your thing.

Personal attacks again Byers? Didn't we derail the thread enough on page 1 and 2? We've already established that you love Tera and hate me. I don't really think covering this well worn territory again is in anyone's best interests.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

ArenaNet is based in Washington, GW2 is definitely tailored for western audiences.

Fair enough, but it does have a bit of an Asian influence in the character design and outfits, most particularly humans and casters.

 

[jehk]

Personal attacks again Byers? Didn't we derail the thread enough on page 1 and 2? We've already established that you love Tera and hate me. I don't really think covering this well worn territory again is in anyone's best interests.

I don't love Tera or hate you, Guppy. You're jumping to conclusions and making irrational uninformed statements. I'm calling you on it. It's nothing personal at all.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I don't love Tera or hate you, Guppy. You're jumping to conclusions and making irrational uninformed statements. I'm calling you on it. It's nothing personal at all.

Well, as the point at which "fan service" crosses the line into "sleaze" is 100% subjective, calling my OPINION on where that line is "irrational and uninformed" is, in actuality, a personal attack. You're welcome to continue doing so if that sort of thing floats your boat, but you should probably take it to private messages, yeah?

 

[jehk]

Well, as the point at which "fan service" crosses the line into "sleaze" is 100% subjective, calling my OPINION on where that line is "irrational and uninformed" is, in actuality, a personal attack. You're welcome to continue doing so if that sort of thing floats your boat, but you should probably take it to private messages, yeah?

Fanservice and porn have different definitions that refer to different things. Equating the two is irrational.

It's like saying visiting a water park is the same as watching porn. There more porn on display in the window of a Victoria's Secret. I totally understand if you don't like fanservice. I get that and cannot blame you at all.

Also, just because I'm attacking your argument doesn't mean I'm attacking you. Your conclusion that Tera = Pron is nonsense.

 

[Aeshi]

I know next to nothing about both but I'd be inclined to pick Tera because it supposedly has better combat and combat is what you'll be doing 75% of the time (and 24% of what isn't combat will be heading to/from combat)

 

[jehk]

I know next to nothing about both but I'd be inclined to pick Tera because it supposedly has better combat and combat is what you'll be doing 75% of the time (and 24% of what isn't combat will be heading to/from combat)

I hear the combat is GW2 is pretty good as well. Haven't tried it myself yet. Combine that with all the other cool features and I can understand the appeal.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Fanservice and porn have different definitions that refer to different things. Equating the two is irrational.

It's like saying visiting a water park is the same as watching porn. I totally understand if you don't like fanservice. I get that and cannot blame you at all.

Also, just because I'm attacking your argument doesn't mean I'm attacking you. Your conclusion that Tera = Pron is nonsense.

I never offered a dissertation on Tera that offered the conclusion "Tera = Pron". That is a straw man.

I offered up an analogy comparing Tera to a back alley smut store, which was a metaphor. Certainly you understand that metaphors are intended to be figurative, not literal, and frequently employ exaggeration.

And as discussed with poiumty, it's not as simple as "I don't like fan service". If I had an issue with fan service as a concept, I'd need to abandon 75% of the industry. There are many fine degrees for this sort of thing, and there is a point at which it crosses the line from "sexy to silly", and a point at which it crosses the line from "silly to gross". Where that line falls is entirely subjective. We have established that for you, Tera is at worst silly. For me, it's gross. And not "gross" in the "my moral sensitivity has been outraged, censors ho" sense. Gross in the "Oh GOD why would anyone like this juvenile crap?" sense.

I understand that this is a strong position to take, and perhaps you feel you are attempting to argue me back to a position of neutrality. Or perhaps you feel that by impugning a game you enjoy, I am impugning you by association. I entreat you not to fuss. I'm not picking on Tera because it's keeping me up at nights, or because I think the people playing it are next year's sex offenders. I'm picking on it because it AMUSES ME to make fun of it, and because its ludicrous marketing campaign and loli/furry overtones make it such low hanging fruit. And maybe it's lazy to pick the low hanging fruit, but I never claimed to be industrious.

 

[jehk]

I never offered a dissertation on Tera that offered the conclusion "Tera = Pron". That is a straw man.

You compared the contents of Tera to the contents of a pron store. You admit as much in the next sentence. That is what I'm attacking. That comparison. Nothing else.

I offered up an analogy comparing Tera to a back alley smut store, which was a metaphor.

Then its a crappy analogy because...

I offered up an analogy comparing Tera to a back alley smut store, which was a metaphor. Certainly you understand that metaphors are intended to be figurative, not literal, and frequently employ exaggeration.

...the amount exaggeration is what makes it bad. Do you understand it now? It's called over-exaggeration and that's what I take issue with.

And as discussed with poiumty, it's not as simple as "I don't like fan service". If I had an issue with fan service as a concept, I'd need to abandon 75% of the industry. There are many fine degrees for this sort of thing, and there is a point at which it crosses the line from "sexy to silly", and a point at which it crosses the line from "silly to gross". Where that line falls is entirely subjective. We have established that for you, Tera is at worst silly. For me, it's gross. And not "gross" in the "my moral sensitivity has been outraged, censors ho" sense. Gross in the "Oh GOD why would anyone like this juvenile crap?" sense.

Good for you. I don't care what you do and don't like.

I understand that this is a strong position to take, and perhaps you feel you are attempting to argue me back to a position of neutrality. Or perhaps you feel that by impugning a game you enjoy, I am impugning you by association. I entreat you not to fuss. I'm not picking on Tera because it's keeping me up at nights, or because I think the people playing it are next year's sex offenders. I'm picking on it because it AMUSES ME to make fun of it, and because its ludicrous marketing campaign and loli/furry overtones make it such low hanging fruit. And maybe it's lazy to pick the low hanging fruit, but I never claimed to be industrious.

And it amuses me to make fun of you. You make asinine statements about stuff you have little to no experience with.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

And it amuses me to make fun of you. You make asinine statements about stuff you have little to no experience with.

Whatever floats your boat, Walter. Have fun with Tera. There are games out there to suit everyone's proclivities!

 

[jehk]

Whatever floats your boat, Walter. Have fun with Tera. There are games out there to suit everyone's proclivities!

Thanks Bloated! I'll be doing the same thing next week to people who make wild irrational claims about Diablo 3 without having played it!

 

[Ympulse]

I know next to nothing about both but I'd be inclined to pick Tera because it supposedly has better combat and combat is what you'll be doing 75% of the time (and 24% of what isn't combat will be heading to/from combat)

I had a look at both games' combat systems in their respective betas. Tera is Lineage 2 with an aiming gimmick when it comes to combat, quite frankly. And the holy trinity is alive and well in both PvP and PvE. (I could go on about the holy trinity in PvP, but that's another topic altogether)

GW2 however, feels more like an action MMO like Vindictus, wherein you can "know" the best setup and rotation for your personal setup, but you also need to be aware of what your opponent is doing, else you're just going to fall flat on your face. And the PvP I experienced was some of the best gaming I've experienced outside of CS 1.6.

But when it comes down to it, you should have a look at both, and make your own decisions. Just remember the facts. Tera is sub-based, and therefore has mandatory timesinks. GW2 isn't sub-based, and doesn't have those timesinks.

 

[Tanakh]

I had a look at both games' combat systems in their respective betas. Tera is Lineage 2 with an aiming gimmick when it comes to combat, quite frankly. And the holy trinity is alive and well in both PvP and PvE. (I could go on about the holy trinity in PvP, but that's another topic altogether)

GW2 however, feels more like an action MMO like Vindictus, wherein you can "know" the best setup and rotation for your personal setup, but you also need to be aware of what your opponent is doing, else you're just going to fall flat on your face. And the PvP I experienced was some of the best gaming I've experienced outside of CS 1.6.

But when it comes down to it, you should have a look at both, and make your own decisions. Just remember the facts. Tera is sub-based, and therefore has mandatory timesinks. GW2 isn't sub-based, and doesn't have those timesinks.

Replace "doesn't have those timesinks" with "have less timesinks" and i am behind you 100%. Farming gold for having leet siege pops immediately to mind.