Terrible people you respect.
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Hitler is the first one to come to mind. He wasn't the best leader, but you have to respect his charisma. I mean he got a whole nation to follow him within several years. He didn't make the best decisions (especially towards the end of his reign) but you have to respect his showmanship.
Kim Jong Il
He has set up the most perfect dictatorship in history. His people follow his every word as if it was holy testament given by God. Every good thing that ever happens is a blessing that was handed to them directly from him and every bad thing is directly the evils of other countries.
Never has there been a nation so fanatically dedicated to its ruler and it's all made possible by a life time of brain washing all designed by him. It starts before the children can even talk their parents sing lullabies to them littered with anti west messages. If anyone is caught talking against the government not only him, but his entire family, gets sent to work camps for the rest of their lives.
He had large beautiful fake towns built around the boarder to make it look as if the people in the north were living better than the ones in the South. He has radio campaigns aired directed toward South Korea coaxing people to come to North Korea. And what happens if a South Korean takes the bait and tries to defect to the North? He's shot on sight by North Korean soldiers.
Forget Hitler. This is the most crazed and insane leader imaginable.
He has set up the most perfect dictatorship in history. His people follow his every word as if it was holy testament given by God. Every good thing that ever happens is a blessing that was handed to them directly from him and every bad thing is directly the evils of other countries.
Never has there been a nation so fanatically dedicated to its ruler and it's all made possible by a life time of brain washing all designed by him. It starts before the children can even talk their parents sing lullabies to them littered with anti west messages. If anyone is caught talking against the government not only him, but his entire family, gets sent to work camps for the rest of their lives.
He had large beautiful fake towns built around the boarder to make it look as if the people in the north were living better than the ones in the South. He has radio campaigns aired directed toward South Korea coaxing people to come to North Korea. And what happens if a South Korean takes the bait and tries to defect to the North? He's shot on sight by North Korean soldiers.
Forget Hitler. This is the most crazed and insane leader imaginable.
True... I guess.DazBurger said:
To each his own I guess, although considering how many of those 800 men were Russia's specialized sniper teams sent out to kill him, I think he was in the right in defending himself.
Fidel Castro holds a special place in my heart. However Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Kim Jong Il, and Alexander the Great, who have been mentioned regularily in this thread, I frankly do not respect at all. Butchers of the world, and of their own people. Though I give props to Genghis Khan, until his son fucked everything up.
Real Life: Karl Marx. He was not terrible, but the children of his idea were. Though his idea was wonderful, it was horribly executed.
Video Games: Reznov, he was vicious beyond belief but he was good at saving Dimitri.
Video Games: Reznov, he was vicious beyond belief but he was good at saving Dimitri.
Alexander the Great. He was a murderous bastard, but he spread Greek culture all over the world, and helped to pave the way for the renaissance.
The one thing going for him was that he was a brutally effective commander; an ability that his grandson lacked entirely.
Genghis Khan? Really? He achieved the destruction of China's greatest era, and murdered something like thirty/forty million people.Psycho Cat Industries said:
The one thing going for him was that he was a brutally effective commander; an ability that his grandson lacked entirely.
Grandson. his son was actually reasonably capable.Chase Yojimbo said:
Are you for serious? I have no idea what you are talking about, would you mind elaborating for me? I am intrigued about this.Hero in a half shell said:
I don't mean this in a "I can't believe you would say such a thing." I am just curious.
Genghis Khan. I kind of abhor killing people for stupid reasons, like race or religion. However, this does not mean that killing is something I actually despise. I think that given the brutality of those times, the Mongols were simply the best at what they did.
I guess I respect him for being absolutely merciless to his foes and generally better than most rulers to those beneath him. He promoted generals regardless of birth, nationality or religion. In fact the Mongols allowed complete religious freedom. If people surrendered they were spared, if not they ceased to be (unless they did well in battle at which point they'd get a second offer to join the Horde). Dishonest tax collectors were executed and put on public display. Arrogant enemy rulers were brutally murdered, in one case by having molten metal poured in his eyes and mouth. Whole regions of the world turned from green pastures into dead deserts because the Mongols salted the land and diverted rivers if it had to be done. They spared scholars and learned men. He lead his people out of the Steppe and into China, into the Middle East, into Europe, and into India, each spawning seperate Mongol empires. Some of these empires went on to be powers for centuries like the Mughals. Other times the nomads resurged in their bloodthirsty ways, like Temur the Lame.
Genghis himself survived the murder of his family, living in exile with his mother, took over a tribe for himself, united the Mongols and other nomads, and went on to grab the world by its throat and hang it out of a window while it's emperors, kings, and holy men cried to a sky that held no answers.
He wasn't a good guy, but he earned every coin, every piece of ass, and every tract of land against overwhelming odds.
My second would be Castro. A dictator? Yes. A killer? Sure. He is though one of the few that strove to at least provide for his land and guarantee independence. The US was not an honorable or well intentioned opponent, and Castro fought us as such. I think the time he emptied the Cuban prisons and exiled them all to the US is actually pretty god damn funny. He could have made a complete hell hole, and although Cuba isn't great, they do have good health care and education. I admire him for standing up to American business interests and their fascist bullshit.
I guess I respect him for being absolutely merciless to his foes and generally better than most rulers to those beneath him. He promoted generals regardless of birth, nationality or religion. In fact the Mongols allowed complete religious freedom. If people surrendered they were spared, if not they ceased to be (unless they did well in battle at which point they'd get a second offer to join the Horde). Dishonest tax collectors were executed and put on public display. Arrogant enemy rulers were brutally murdered, in one case by having molten metal poured in his eyes and mouth. Whole regions of the world turned from green pastures into dead deserts because the Mongols salted the land and diverted rivers if it had to be done. They spared scholars and learned men. He lead his people out of the Steppe and into China, into the Middle East, into Europe, and into India, each spawning seperate Mongol empires. Some of these empires went on to be powers for centuries like the Mughals. Other times the nomads resurged in their bloodthirsty ways, like Temur the Lame.
Genghis himself survived the murder of his family, living in exile with his mother, took over a tribe for himself, united the Mongols and other nomads, and went on to grab the world by its throat and hang it out of a window while it's emperors, kings, and holy men cried to a sky that held no answers.
He wasn't a good guy, but he earned every coin, every piece of ass, and every tract of land against overwhelming odds.
My second would be Castro. A dictator? Yes. A killer? Sure. He is though one of the few that strove to at least provide for his land and guarantee independence. The US was not an honorable or well intentioned opponent, and Castro fought us as such. I think the time he emptied the Cuban prisons and exiled them all to the US is actually pretty god damn funny. He could have made a complete hell hole, and although Cuba isn't great, they do have good health care and education. I admire him for standing up to American business interests and their fascist bullshit.
Genghis Khan.
He united a scattered, warring people into a war machine that took China, Russia, and could have easily taken most of Europe.
He promoted soldiers based on merit rather then birth, blood, nationality, or religion. He actually allowed complete religious freedom, which in those times is fucking unheard of. If people surrendered, they were spared. If they didn't, and fought well, they were spared. He executed corrupt tax collectors and other officials. Enemy rulers who tried to screw him over for personal gain got murdered. And they spared scholars and the like.
Yes he was a sex-crazed, violent crazy person. But he had more sense then most, and earned his place.
He united a scattered, warring people into a war machine that took China, Russia, and could have easily taken most of Europe.
He promoted soldiers based on merit rather then birth, blood, nationality, or religion. He actually allowed complete religious freedom, which in those times is fucking unheard of. If people surrendered, they were spared. If they didn't, and fought well, they were spared. He executed corrupt tax collectors and other officials. Enemy rulers who tried to screw him over for personal gain got murdered. And they spared scholars and the like.
Yes he was a sex-crazed, violent crazy person. But he had more sense then most, and earned his place.
Yeah, he completely screwed up simple,troop logistics, and thought that advancing someone's rank would keep him fighting an impossible battle.Kortney said:
Well, if you google Zynga CEO the first result is a direct quote from him, saying "I did every horrible thing in the book" That's the kinda guy he is.velcrokidneyz said:
Zynga is a gaming company he started that takes other successful casual games, rips off their gameplay and workings to a plaigertastic degree, and rebrands it with microtransactions (Paying small amounts of money for ingame content) Then they use obnoxious marketing techniques to stick their new game everywhere, flooding the market so people will get curious and play it. They do all the facebook games: "Farmville"(ripped from farmtown) "MafiaWars" (ripped from MobWars) "CafeWorld" (I'm told ripped from Restaurant city)
Basically their entire business model involves finding casual MMO type games on social networking sites, copying them, and pushing the original out of the market.
He also puts lawsuits up against the companies he copied for plaigerism against him, so they will go bust (Because they are all small, new companies)
And he messed up March Mayhem last year by almost winning best developer!!!
Assuming that Boardwalk Empire is even remotely accurate, I'd have to agree. Him, and Arnold Rothstein.Derelict Frog said:
I wouldn't say Rommel was a bad person. He wasn't a Nazi, he was a career soldier who just did his job. I can respect that. That's even before taking into account all the outright good stuff he did.Rayne870 said:
I wouldn't say Rommel was a bad person. He wasn't a Nazi, he was a career soldier who just did his job. I can respect that. That's even before taking into account all the outright good stuff he did.[/quote]Avatar Roku said:
Thanks that's pretty much what i was trying to say but for some reason couldn't really put together. It must have been the sleep deprivation lately. Anyway seems like a case of a good guy in a bad crowd.
Although that's arguably true, it's his means that I take issue with. The man murdered more people than Hitler, to achieve less than a century of stability. Besides which, he brought down -well, almost - the Song dynasty, and by extension, China's greatest cultural era.Arontala said:
You have an almost idealistic view of what the mongols were like - true, they did do most of those things, but they were savage, murderous barbarians. Had the Song dynasty not been in a position to fall during Kublai's reign, Western Europe would have fallen to the mongol hordes, and history would have turned out very differently - not necessarily for the better.
Still, it's not as if he didn't do good things; I just view the bad as, in his case, more important.
