**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[Yoh3333]

This is a sad thing to ever happen anywhere in the world but there are somethings i don't understand.
Why on the island? Why targeting the summercamp for children? it just doesn't make sense to me. (that's what i heard in the danish news program)

Also, another thing, it is said that it was a car bomb planted outside the government buildings (also from the danish news program)

 

[Naeo]

The scariest parts of this--even being someone with no friends or family in Oslo right now and living in Texas--is how big the bombs seem to have been and how the first warning that there were any bombs was when they went off. Mission accomplished in freaking me the hell out.

 

[lacktheknack]

I swear, any more finger pointing involving religion is going to cause me to break my computer screen.

 

[Shycte]

Something I don't like about this is all the people jumping on the "muslims did it" bandwagon.
Just check the comments on the youtube video and see what I mean.

Yes, this was probably done by an EXTREMIST muslim group. Don't judge all of them because what very few of them does.

It pisses me off!

An extremist muslim is still a muslim. So, if a muslim extremist group did this, the people saying "muslims did it" are, in fact, factually correct.

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

It's funny that you say that because throughout history, christianity has been a very violent religion. The Crusades, I'm looking at you.

And the Bible is full of bad morals, and so is the Quran, mainly because they both are old outdated books. But both books also contain good morals.

And christians being more tolerant and less violent; there's no truth in that, unless you can show me proof. Don't try to blame all the muslims for what very few of them does.

I can't recall christian terrorist attacks. Sure, there's been wars, but do you think only christians went to Afghanistan/Iraq? Was it a holy mission from God? No. And look at crime statistics here in Norway. It's about time Norway united and stopped the immigration. I can say from personal experience that muslims are trouble. Can you say from personal experience that christians are trouble?

I've heard muslims call norwegians pigs, and our women sluts, in real life. If we did something similar in their homeland? Fuck me, I don't know what they'd do, only that anyone who did would be dead sooner or later.

Your out wrong even from the start by saying that "Muslims are trouble", because you fail to recognize the individual person here. Islamic culture have loads of problems to be sure, and I wouldn't want it in any coutry. It's oppressing and some times pure disgusting, we have to fight the theocratic fanatics at every turn, but please don't say that "Muslims are trouble", you're only going to look more racist than you might be.

Also, in related news, CNN is already talking about al-Quida in this, even though no group has taken responsibility. It goes without saying that the Swedish media isn't as hot on the "Islamic Terror" button.

 

[Pinkamena]

This is a sad thing to ever happen anywhere in the world but there are somethings i don't understand.
Why on the island? Why targeting the summercamp for children? it just doesn't make sense to me. (that's what i heard in the danish news program)

Also, another thing, it is said that it was a car bomb planted outside the government buildings (also from the danish news program)

The youth camp was political, so that could be a motive. Or perhaps they just wanted to be as fucked up as they could be. "Hey, lets go to a tiny island with over 600 kids on it, and shoot them!

 

[Jegsimmons]

You have a serious problem with the particular word that's important here: suicide.

Guy Fawkes wasn't a suicide bomber. The IRA don't blow themselves up in the process of attacking the British. In short, the idea of suicide bombing is abhorrent to the Western Christian psyche. It certainly could happen that a Christian commits a suicide bombing, but it simply isn't the norm, and were it to happen I find it difficult to see it happening anywhere remotely close to how often it has been used by Muslim extremists and the Tamil Tigers.

I guess my whole point is that there is something, whether culturally, religiously, or otherwise (or a combination of those things) that gives Muslim extremists the propensity to commit suicide bombings. This is a propensity that simply does not exist in Western Christian culture. And that's what you seem to fail to grasp.

You are missing a lot of details in your ideas, friend. True, christians aren't known to be suicide bombers, but you forget the countless suicide cults that have occured, all populated by those who call themselves christians. Many who went into school yards and other places to shoot people and then turn the guns on themselves have been christians. The method may be different, but it is still as abhorrent and insane. Persons can turn into suicidal nutjobs for whatever reason. Do not damn the religion for their act. Otherwise you are as bad as those who damn gaming for the acts of individuals.

those people are nuts, muslim extremist are nuts. no true christian will actually use god as an excuse to murder then commit suicide. so its not right for anyone to group people like that together. especially since not all Christians are of the same denomination. I assume muslims are also that way. just because a few are batshit insane doesnt mean they all are. In fact i know a guy supporting the libyan rebels right now who is a muslim but wont lift a finger against a fellow man.

 

[Jegsimmons]

This is a sad thing to ever happen anywhere in the world but there are somethings i don't understand.
Why on the island? Why targeting the summercamp for children? it just doesn't make sense to me. (that's what i heard in the danish news program)

Also, another thing, it is said that it was a car bomb planted outside the government buildings (also from the danish news program)

The youth camp was political, so that could be a motive. Or perhaps they just wanted to be as fucked up as they could be. "Hey, lets go to a tiny island with over 600 kids on it, and shoot them!

it sounded secluded and unprotected makeing it an easy target. thats what gun men do, they find school, government buildings and other locations that arent heavily guarded with arms so they end up causeing more damage.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

I swear, any more finger pointing involving religion is going to cause me to break my computer screen.

Agreed. This looks like an internal, radical political group than an international strike. Religion motivates violence at times but this is something different.

This is horrible. Our thoughts are with you Norway!!

 

[Deadlock Radium]

This is a sad thing to ever happen anywhere in the world but there are somethings i don't understand.
Why on the island? Why targeting the summercamp for children? it just doesn't make sense to me. (that's what i heard in the danish news program)

Also, another thing, it is said that it was a car bomb planted outside the government buildings (also from the danish news program)

The youth camp was political, so that could be a motive. Or perhaps they just wanted to be as fucked up as they could be. "Hey, lets go to a tiny island with over 600 kids on it, and shoot them!

Or both.

Helt forferdelig at det har skjedd slik som det har skjedd idag. Jeg håper at alle de pårørende får støtte av venner og familie. Dette har ødelagt litt av landet vårt.

 

[hazabaza1]

Jesus christ.
What the fuck is wrong with people? Why do these attacks in the first place, and why at a youth camp, during the times when everyone is scared shitless of other terrorists?
Fuck, humans can really suck sometimes.

 

[Ninjasander]

Something I don't like about this is all the people jumping on the "muslims did it" bandwagon.
Just check the comments on the youtube video and see what I mean.

Yes, this was probably done by an EXTREMIST muslim group. Don't judge all of them because what very few of them does.

It pisses me off!

An extremist muslim is still a muslim. So, if a muslim extremist group did this, the people saying "muslims did it" are, in fact, factually correct.

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

It's funny that you say that because throughout history, christianity has been a very violent religion. The Crusades, I'm looking at you.

And the Bible is full of bad morals, and so is the Quran, mainly because they both are old outdated books. But both books also contain good morals.

And christians being more tolerant and less violent; there's no truth in that, unless you can show me proof. Don't try to blame all the muslims for what very few of them does.

I can't recall christian terrorist attacks. Sure, there's been wars, but do you think only christians went to Afghanistan/Iraq? Was it a holy mission from God? No. And look at crime statistics here in Norway. It's about time Norway united and stopped the immigration. I can say from personal experience that muslims are trouble. Can you say from personal experience that christians are trouble?

I've heard muslims call norwegians pigs, and our women sluts, in real life. If we did something similar in their homeland? Fuck me, I don't know what they'd do, only that anyone who did would be dead sooner or later.

I do not want to start this discussion again, since it has finally started to die down. So I will say this.

Stop basing everything on stereotypes and try to see the world from more than one view, almost nothing is truly black and white, just different shades of grey.

Calling muslims trouble just goes to show how much thought you've put into this.
And every religion has their extremist group, christianity is no exception.

Now please, lets stop talking about this, make a thread in the politics and religion forum, but please don't discuss this in this thread.

 

[Pappeska]

Like someone said earlier, it was only a matter of time the way we're acting internationally.

 

[Gwarr]

Just putting it in here , but what if the Bombing was an attack from a terrorist organisation and the shooting was political . Picture this : Neo-nazi watches the bombing then he either sees a opportunity ( in his own twisted way ) to cause chaos for political gain or ,fueled by rage, he goes nuts on the guys he sees responsible for this ( the socialist which I guess support immigration?) . Still , he seemed pretty organised , maybe he was waiting just for the right moment to act .

 

[caffineking]

The New York Times is reporting that the terror group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, is claiming responsibilty for the bombing in Oslo....

 

[Ninjasander]

Just putting it in here , but what if the Bombing was a terrorist attack from a terrorist organisation and the shooting was political . Picture this : Neo-nazi watches the bombing then he either sees a opportunity ( in his own twisted way ) to cause chaos for political gain or ,fueled by rage, he goes nuts on the guys he sees responsible for this ( the socialist which I guess support immigration?) . Still , he seemed pretty organised , maybe he was waiting just for the right moment to act .

The thought has already crossed my mind, but lets wait some days and come to conclusions when we know everything that has happened.

 

[Pinkamena]

Just putting it in here , but what if the Bombing was a terrorist attack from a terrorist organisation and the shooting was political . Picture this : Neo-nazi watches the bombing then he either sees a opportunity ( in his own twisted way ) to cause chaos for political gain or ,fueled by rage, he goes nuts on the guys he sees responsible for this ( the socialist which I guess support immigration?) . Still , he seemed pretty organised , maybe he was waiting just for the right moment to act .

That sounds plausible. But I think the dude was seen on the island before the bombs happened.

 

[LE0Night]

There is some al-qaida related twat on twitter going "this is just the beginning", but that could easily be BS...

 

[Dr Snakeman]

Well, that just sucks. Whether it was a terrorist attack, or just really, really bad luck, I pity those Oslo... ians? ites?

Oslo-people. Hang tough, Oslo-people.

Edit: Wait, there was a shooting, too? Was it related to the explosions at all? I'm kind of confused. All I know is, when they catch the shooter(s), it's going to be a crying shame that Norway doesn't have the death penalty.

 

[martin's a madman]

Something I don't like about this is all the people jumping on the "muslims did it" bandwagon.
Just check the comments on the youtube video and see what I mean.

Yes, this was probably done by an EXTREMIST muslim group. Don't judge all of them because what very few of them does.

It pisses me off!

An extremist muslim is still a muslim. So, if a muslim extremist group did this, the people saying "muslims did it" are, in fact, factually correct.

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

It's funny that you say that because throughout history, christianity has been a very violent religion. The Crusades, I'm looking at you.

And the Bible is full of bad morals, and so is the Quran, mainly because they both are old outdated books. But both books also contain good morals.

And christians being more tolerant and less violent; there's no truth in that, unless you can show me proof. Don't try to blame all the muslims for what very few of them does.

I can't recall christian terrorist attacks. Sure, there's been wars, but do you think only christians went to Afghanistan/Iraq? Was it a holy mission from God? No. And look at crime statistics here in Norway. It's about time Norway united and stopped the immigration. I can say from personal experience that muslims are trouble. Can you say from personal experience that christians are trouble?

I've heard muslims call norwegians pigs, and our women sluts, in real life. If we did something similar in their homeland? Fuck me, I don't know what they'd do, only that anyone who did would be dead sooner or later.

Funny thing about personal experience is that it doesn't give you an accurate view of an entire group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_Army_%28revolutionary_group%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

 

[Jegsimmons]

BBC News-


2039: The New York Times is reporting that the terror group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, is claiming responsibilty for the bombing in Oslo.

link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705