That Dragon, Grey

[Karadalis]

You are aware that gamergate has done more for different charities then the ones denouncing them right? So all thats left to do is making the actual game, cause you know.. the actuall donation part has allready happened... not least to mention actually getting a game made (afterlife empire i think was the name?)

You do, of course, realize that ever since it began Gamergate was not one definite thing, right? Is it about integrity in games journalism? Is it about sexism? Zoe Quinn's sex life? Her developer skills or lack thereof? Nobody knows what it's all about because it's not about something in particular, that's why people hate it.[/quote]

Youare aware that movements can evolve over time? That it was allways the people outside of gamergate who claimed what gamergate was about? And that people "hate" gamergate because its a symption of how brain deadly idiotic todays political correctness has become that a movement like gamergate even took off in the first place?

Gamergate never claimed it was just about "this one thing"... heck even the meme "actually its about ethics in gamejournalism" was coined by someone who oposed gamergate.

The only people that outright "hate" gamergate are the uninformed and people that think sexism and mysoginy and rape culture are actually a thing (thought after the events in europe at new years eve there actually might be a rape culture.. but certainly not the one the social regressive preach about everyday)

The rest is simply annoyed and wish for both the proponents AND the opposition to go play on a highway during rush hour...

Where was this widespread and fervent defense when Hatred was being lambasted I wonder?

I missed the part where someone actually died who was related to the Hatred died and people were making it personal by going after that.

Hatred was 2edgy4u and trying to gather attention for the sake of stirring up controversy. This was about people making a game about the death of their son. Forgive me if I don't find the two situations very comparable.

Hatred was simply a shitty game... and cought flak for it from everyone who played it pretty much saying it is boring, its controls are shitty and it is hilariously cringeworthy, loosing any attempt at a statement or message by how badly the dialogue was written.

And rightly so. It was a bad game. Did that mean that the censorship attempts where the right thing to do? Nope... does that mean people where wrong defending the games existance? Nope.

So yeah.. agreeing with you somewhat cazse i dont really see where hatred even comes into this debate either. It was defended from censorship, rightly so.. and then torn to shreds for being a shitty game... just as it should be.

Games should be judged on their own merits, not about stuff that happens outside the game.

 

[stormtrooper9091]

Jesus Christ, did you guys manage to turn yet another topic into a Gamergate cripple fight.

I struggle to find the motivation people have for making (alright maybe not that much) and for buying this game. It's clearly a "listen to my terrible life story" kind of experience and it's beyond me why would anyone go for the deliberate and interactive mental torture which that (quite likely) is. Unless they are being jerks. But alright, some people can't deal with that little inevitable bit otherwise

 

[Gizen]

The only people that outright "hate" gamergate are the uninformed and people that think sexism and mysoginy and rape culture are actually a thing (thought after the events in europe at new years eve there actually might be a rape culture.. but certainly not the one the social regressive preach about everyday)

The fact that you genuinely just said that sexism is not a real thing that exists speaks volumes.

 

[IceForce]

Youare aware that movements can evolve over time?

Not movements that want to remain on-focus, on-point, and be taken seriously, no.

EDIT: And Gamergate is a 'movement' again now? I thought it was just a hashtag?

 

[Piecewise]

Do you mean actual protest, or just complaints about the game's quality?

It was very much 'this kind of game shouldn't exist'.

I think you're purposely making them look bad because thats the meme now. Gamers are evil Gamer Gate is evil. Having something wrong with this game is evil.

Remember that movie about a kid almost dying and having near death experience and how his parents were using the experience to push their views and get megabux at the same time? No one said that movie goers who disliked that movie were "The worst people".


I'm one of the people that dislike it but I dislike it for reasons I feel are completely non-dickish.

My real gripe is the weird way they present the narrative. It's crammed full of weird stuff that takes me out of it. Like the way they seem to be constantly comparing their kid to christ, or the constant "Art house" stuff that seems to be there for no reason other than to be "Deep". Just telling the story of the kid would have been dramatic enough. He didn't need to ride on constellations or be deified with constant biblical quotes. It just plain feels overwrought.

So no, it's not that "Games like this shouldn't exist" it's that it doesn't feel well done; doesn't feel like it's doing what it should, you know? I don't feel any closer or more empathetic towards the child because he's aggrandized and exaggerated to the point of being a non-human. He's like some platonic absolute, he is the uber-baby and he died for your sins.

 

[chikusho]

For anyone interested in this game, I recommend this radiolab podcast.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/cathedral/