That's not a plot hole!

[Kmadden2004]

Ghost army in Lotr: They where *all* traitors/cowards? Odd.
Or is this place just where all the traitors and cowards go and it just became a little full over time?

The famous "Use eagles to carry ring" is not really a plothole, still it could have been adressed. Even if Sauron can see the ring, having it move fast on an eagle might yield a higher chance to drop it into the volcano than move it very slowly on foot where sauron would just have to flood the general area with a million orcs. Gandalf could be like "I can't summon the eagles whenever i choose, they're a bit like the Ents in that you can explain that the world is going to end if they don't help and then they'll talk about it for a few years.". oh well.

I don't think it's really the case that they were all cowards and traitors, more that their leaders where, but they were all put under the curse because... well, it ain't a proper curse without being some kind of a dick move, is it?

 

[gazumped]

OT: Avengers.


more specifically, Hulk in The Avengers.

complain about him being a different actor? plastic surgery.

best I can come up with for him, but I've heard that complaint the most.

That's a pretty silly complaint, if a person can't suspend their disbelief enough to be able to accept that an actor isn't actually the character they must find it pretty darn hard to enjoy live-action films and T.V. shows.

I think if I heard someone complain that the Hulk was a different actor I'd say "And Iron Man is Sherlock Holmes! How does that make any sense when Sherlock is from Victorian times?! PLOTHOOOOOOLE"

 

[zerabp]

The thing that actually annoys me the most about LOTR isn't even the eagles.

I'm not sure whether it's the same in the books (clarification?) but in the film, you have the entrance to Mount Doom, the ONE thing that can kill Sauron, and he doesn't have any guards there permanently?

They Explain this both in the movie and in the Book he doesn't do it because it would never enter his thoughts that they would destroy it. Sauron Believes they will try to use the ring against him, not try to destroy it.

 

[Timberwolf0924]

I'll tell ya one thing I don't like. Why didn't Aragon keep the undead army, for just one more fight. He knew what he had to do, and they could've wiped the earth clear of the horde. But Aragon didn't have that forsight. I would've said, "two more battles you damn ghosts" and had them follow us until we were on Saurons door steps...

 

[King Aragorn]

Because their oath is fulfilled. It would go against Aragorn's very character to do so, and I always was under the impression that after one battle, the curse itself ends anyway.
Also, how would people feel knowing their King is a man you cannot trust and one that doesn't keep his word?

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

The only plot holes I ever see are usually unimportant ones that can be attributed to artistic license, such as the sound of TIE-fighters in space.

That's actually not a plot hole, as science flubs don't directly impact plot.

 

[thedoclc]

I was bothered by a possible plot hole in the second Nolan Batman movie.

When the Joker attacks the society party, Bruce slips out, dons the suit, "Let her go," fall, bam onto a taxi. Now, them surviving is plain old plot armor. However, that means the Joker and his various thugs are up there with a whole lot of Bruce Wayne's friends. Do we hear of him returning and doing something about it? No. Maybe some of the goons regaining consciousness and getting back up? No. Do we hear of some of the people at the party having the presence of mind to grab one of the guns dropped by a goon and hold the Joker or his minions? Or just shoot him in the face? No. Do we hear about the Joker beating feet because his objective has slipped away? Or the police arriving to find the Joker making a withdrawal? Or, indeed, any resolution at all to the scene above?

Does someone even hand-wave it with one line such as, "When I went back, Alfred, that freak was already gone. His guys aren't even talking."

Nope. Fall onto taxi, miraculously survive with minor or no injuries, plot-important characters are OK. Screw everyone else, cut to next plot point.

Is this in any way not a plot hole, based on what is actually -seen?-

 

[Asita]

That makes zero sense whatsoever, how would blindfolding yourself help in any way? Like God's a lawyer and hes just going to go, oh darn you found a loophole I guess you win now? It's about intent. Indy wasn't trying to game the system, he just made a misstep. The trials were controlled by god, who is clearly evidenced to exist in Indiana Jones. There may be mechanical parts to it, but God is clearly in charge of the whole set up.

Also there was nothing mechanical or engineering based about the leap from the lions head, it is clearly shown from multiple angles to not exist, you can even see his feet hanging over the edge. The bridge appears from nowhere because of his faith, because of his intent. Because God judged him through the trials.

Uh, no. The bridge was an optical illusion aided by forced perspective. It was always there, just camouflaged. That's why after stepping on it the camera pans to the side to show the path as it ceases to be aligned with the pattern on the wall. Before that point we only ever see the gap either from Indy's perspective or facing back the way he came. Front or back, we view it in a straight line designed to force the illusion. The moment this line is broken, so too is the illusion.

The entire point of the camera angle was to illustrate the nature of the trick, which Indy then further revealed when he tossed sand back onto the path to disrupt that optical illusion. There's no point in either reveal if the path magically appeared. It's the same principle as revealing the blades in the first trial. These were not truly divine tests, they were religiously inspired ones constructed by the men who wished to protect the grail. Hence why each had a certain trick that was reproducible regardless of intent, they're little more than fancy booby traps.

Now the front view admittedly has some logical problems, but then so does keeping a perfectly intact rubbing after swimming in oil, a commercial zeppelin carrying a plane equipped with a gunner's seat, riding an inflatable raft to survive a fall from a plane and then a cliff (Temple of Doom), bullet holes disappearing in a windshield[footnote]Admittedly very easy to miss. The scene occurs during the boat chase, wherein the glass on the boat promptly gets shot, denoted by the white marks on it, which disappear in later shots. One might also notice that the wheel of the boat changes sides in one shot (it us usually on the starboard of the boat)[/footnote], and the way the grail changes position between shots in the finale[footnote]After being healed, Jones Sr. rises holding the grail...and then in the shots immediately following this, the grail is picked up from the floor by Elsa[/footnote]. This isn't exactly a film (or series of films) in which you can point to logical problems as evidence of intent, especially when the surrounding context points to more mundane explanations. At the end of the day, the only things in the Temple of the Sun (aka. the Grail Temple) which can honestly be attributed as supernatural in the film relate directly to the Grail itself: the healing power of the Grail, the effects of the false grail(s), and the results of taking the Grail across the Great Seal.

 

[Extra-Ordinary]

I am REALLY bad at noticing all but the really obvious plot holes, I think i'm just naturally hardwired to overlook them because there's no fun to be had if you're constantly picking holes in everything.

For example, people say Code Geass was ridden with plot holes later on but I can see literally none of them.

Same here. Not the Code Geass thing but the overlooking-plot-holes thing.
Like you said, things just get less fun the more you scrutinize it.
Although, there is one...

You know I did some math at the end of The Dark Knight Rises, and

Spoiler

There is NO WAY Batman would be able to fly the bomb out of there fast enough with the timer being on what it was. Bane said the bomb had a six mile blast radius, and even though I forgot how to do the math, the Bat would have had to fly around 2,000 MPH to clear that. Not to mention some of the fallout would blow back.

I got 321.8688m/s to clear the 12 miles in 60 seconds, and that's assuming he was exactly 6 miles from the coast. Seems pretty doable if the only thing we assume about the bat is that it's going under the speed of sound. And it's fucking Batman so I'm willing to take that leap!

I've not seen the movie, but is this math just about getting from point A to point B or does it take escape from B into account?

No, I was just assuming Batman himself utilised those magic teleportation abilities that he had in The Dark Knight! Bat magic!

Ah, the ol' Bat-Teleportation, THAT explains it.
Because I was wondering when he jumps out of the Bat and it shows him in there up until about 5 seconds before the bomb went off.
I was going to chalk it up to "he's Batman" but now I have a logical explanation.

 

[Eisenfaust]

Lord Of The Rings: There's two that annoy me to no end and make me want to slap the person that belches them out, the first being the most obvious, "Why didn't they just fly the ring to Mordor?" OK asshole you can't figure this out, fine! THE EYE OF SAURON WOULD SEE THEM! You know the giant fucking eye that sees all of Mordor and is constantly looking for the ring. He would see those eagles from miles and miles away. That is if his spies, which by the way can and do consist of men, birds, and trees, don't see them first. In which case he would send all nine of the Nazgul after them on their dragons (I know they're not called dragons, but wurms or something like that, but that's neither here nor there). All he has to do is kill the eagle with Frodo on it, or knock Frodo or the ring off the eagle and BOOM the ring is his, and all is lost, fuck you game over.

There's the additional concern of the mechanisms of flight. I think the Hobbit - though perhaps somewhere else (maybe just general logic) - establishes that the eagles fly using thermal currents. And a volcano is a huge source of thermal energy. The convection currents in the air would force the eagles up and out, making travelling towards to top of the volcano incredibly difficult, let alone while under pressure from the aforementioned Nazgul (who are presumably used to the thermal ridden area), and having to consider accurately dropping a tiny metal object into the volcano against strong winds.

Sure, the eagles flew in at the end of Return of the King, but they flew in low. At that height they couldn't hope to merely drop the ring in, and would be hounded by arrows from the ground. Yes, they could have flown straight to the door Frodo and Sam eventually used (though only Elrond would have known where it was, having been there), but then they'd land in the middle of an army of orcs (who would have moved to the door, having received orders from the Eye that, as you said, has now seen them), at which point they're still fucked. I've no doubt that it might have been possible, but just so tactically stupid. Not that sending two lone hobbits into the area wasn't, but hey, they decided to do that on their own.

 

[Demonjazz]

The only plot holes I ever see are usually unimportant ones that can be attributed to artistic license, such as the sound of TIE-fighters in space.

Actually it's supposed to be that ships have a small atmosphere around them so they can hear explosions and lasers hitting them

 

[WolfThomas]

Also there was nothing mechanical or engineering based about the leap from the lions head, it is clearly shown from multiple angles to not exist, you can even see his feet hanging over the edge. The bridge appears from nowhere because of his faith, because of his intent. Because God judged him through the trials.

Actually it is an engineering trick. I'd always thought it appeared for years too. But if you watch the idea is the bridge is about a foot or so lower than the ledge, hence his feet hanging. But it's meticulously designed to look like the walls of the abyss. You'll notice Indy scatters dust over before advancing forward so that those following behind will see it. It's called "forced perspective".

Edit: ninja'd

 

[klaynexas3]

I'm surprised I never said this the first time I saw this thread, but...

"Why didn't they just shoot Voldemort?" Well my friend, I will tell you why. First off, Voldemort was only ever really known of being back as a living being for all of 3 years. Of these 3 years, only 2 of them was he known to be alive on a wide basis beyond that of children. So for that first year, let us look at it this way. He went into hiding, was nowhere to be found, for that of 2 years. Even if they had been capable of finding him(and this is the guy who is considered one of the most powerful wizards of all time, I think he can play hide and seek), where exactly are a group of ragtag school children, that can't go anywhere besides the school and the one small village close by, going to acquire a gun, especially in England? And let's say they were able to acquire sad gun, are you telling me that they would be capable of getting close enough to him without being spotted to shoot him? When would he ever be seen outside of place of ruling, besides massing his armies? And on top off all this, with all unlikely hood that it would even be possible to catch the man in the sights of a weapon, why would you want a gun, when you can think(at least in the books) a single word, and kill someone with a piece of wood? They had all their killing power with them the whole time, why is it necessary that they get a gun to perform this assassination?

And now I'll do the time turner one: The way that time travel works in the Harry Potter universe is everything works on a set path. If someone goes back in time, it was their fate to do so, as shown in the third book. So any attempt to use it to go back in time to kill Voldemort would fail because he exists in the present, and thus the fixed timeline says he stays around until at least then. The timeline is set in stone, that's how it is presented, so it cannot change, unless we want shit writing.

 

[Darkasassin96]

Spoiler: Minor spoiler about the Butterfly Effect

The main character is able to go back to past points in his life and if he does something different, he wakes up in a world that reacts to that difference - if he gets hurt as a kid, it means he was always hurt for his entire life. However, at one point he is in prison and wants to convince his cellmate to help him. He does it by travelling to the past and impaling his palms on some spikes. Then we go back in prison and he suddenly sprouts holes in his hands, which his religious cellmate takes as a sign from Jesus. Only it doesn't make sense, since the protagonist would have lived his whole life with the holes in the palms, so they wouldn't have "miraculously" appeared, so his cellmate shouldn't be surprised to see them.

I have to say i havent seen that movie but someone could probably make a cool adventure game with logic like that.