Casual Shinji said:
Eclipse Dragon said:
Casual Shinji said:
But that's a problem nearly every Marvel movie has. A real team battle against a singular powerful opponent would've been nice.
It's fine, I guess, but it was just going through the motions.
Considering next up for the Avengers is Thanos, that's not going to change, the only difference is, he's so powerful he can destroy entire planets more easily (where as Ultron and the Chitauri needed to work at it).
With Thanos we
might actually get a proper heroes vs. villain fight, since the dude is so powerful (apparently) that he'd have no need for a seemingly inexhaustable army of whatchamacallits to do his biding. Though I'm sure that's what'll end up happening anyway. : (
Non-movie "spoilers"
Thanos isn't that tough to be honest, unless he's being written badly. They pumped him up heavily in comics recently due to his popularity, but conceptually he's "just" an Eternal and not even the most powerful one. The trick to him being powerful enough to wreck planets and stuff was him getting a hold of all powerful artifacts, otherwise he DOES run around with armies of minions and stuff, and actually spends a good portion of his time running away from heroes and such before he's ready for the confrontations. To put it into perspective "Drax The Destroyer" is supposed to be more powerful than Thanos, at least originally, he was created/empowered by Thanos' own people to kill him, and given a sense that allowed him to locate Thanos at galactic range. Thanos actually spent a good portion of his time running from Drax if I remember (where other heroes had to deal with Drax wrecking crap looking for Thanos). Sersei, Starfox (Eros), etc... are all other Eternals and in the same league if your familiar with the characters. Indeed Starfox is on a lot of levels Thanos' opposite number being "Life" (the "god" of love and sexuality to Thanos' death) and the two even had a periodic meeting every year to try and talk out their differences if I remember where they called a truce but that's going pretty old school.
Strictly speaking confronting Thanos would be pretty much a minion fight, as if it's one of those "down to the minute" things he'd be needing to have the heroes held off while he assembles his super weapon so to speak. That said I have no idea how they plan to do "Infinity Gauntlet" as the key to that whole thing was the characterization of Thanos and him defeating himself, unless Thanos gets his own movie to foreshadow what's going to happen I've had my doubts about the whole endgame of this move plan to be honest.
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Spoilers for the movie below:
I thought "Age Of Ultron" was just okay, I liked it, but felt it was easily the worst of the Marvel movies so far, except maybe "Iron Man 3". I didn't like the way they redefined "The Scarlet Witch" to give her psionics just so they could do weird psycho-babble moments with the various characters. I thought the "Hulk/Black Widow" romance was kind of painful and just didn't work, even if I caught the metaphor about them both being monsters (it wasn't subtle) along with the whole jackhammer metaphor in visiting Hawkeye's family. The fight scenes were okay, but pretty generic at this point, and it doesn't seem like they were really all that well directed or thought out at times. For example at one point you have Captain America doing a decent job holding his own against the main Ultron unit, but then later Thor seems to be struggling with it kind of ridiculously. Too many characters meant the timing and flow of some of the fights didn't work well, individually the bits were good, but as a whole it just didn't work as well as previous movies. They probably would have done better to break the finale up into several different scenes involving different characters in different places, than trying to do one large fight one little brawl at a time out of sequence.
I'll also say I love Joss Whedon's work, but the dude needs to learn to give villains more respect. For example Baron Von Strucker is one of Captain America's greatest enemies right up there with the Red Skull. When the two confronted each other I was thinking "okay, here we go" remembering I never did get a satisfying brawl with the Red Skull in Cap's own movie. I was thinking there was plenty of time for 'ol Von Strucker to whip out the Lucifer's Claw or another weapon and pound Cap for a bit before eventually be taken down... but nope, we don't get that, and bloody Baron Von Strucker gets unceremoniously disposed of between scenes. What's next? Are they going to get the "Fantastic Four" rights back just so Joss can have Doctor Doom pose for 30 seconds and then get run over by a bus? I mean cripes, if your going to have a guy who has nearly conquered the world numerous times in the comics and is one of the all time leaders in the "I almost got him" Captain America enemies club at least use him properly.
I'll also say that to me Ultron never really did a lot to sell me on his cred in this. I mean he was okay, but devoid of what made him interesting in the comics, and turned into an excuse for a swarm of robots he was just sort of missing the same vibe to me. At the end his entire plan is to slam a city into the ground to wipe out humanity, trapping The Avengers on it while he kills them, I might have been impressed more if this wasn't simply a variation on something they actually make fun of "Gravitron" for in the comics since he always seems to wind up trying that same basic thing. I suppose seeing a live action version of it was cool, but at the end of the day it was just another urban brawl.
I don't know I just expected more for some reason knowing Joss was involved and seeing what happened with the other movies. I didn't like the new versions of some of the characters even though I didn't expect them to be exactly like their comic counterparts, and it just seemed like it was missing something.
Oh and for the record, if Joss is going to kill off a bloody super hero let a villain do it in a suitably epic fashion. I mean it's one thing to kill Quicksilver but another to have it done in a plane strafing run just for the sake of a back and forth with the bad guy. See, Ultron actually building a Vibranium body (since they don't do Adamantium) and then beating up the team to establish his cred early on, and actually killing Quicksilver during the process, would have worked. The movie kind of needed something like that. Super Heroes need cool, and menacing villains to fight, and Ultron didn't capture my imagination like their version of Loki did, and the robot swarm just never gave me any sense of heroic jeopardy, nor did Ultron, because as I said, his performance was so pathetic as a threat that I actually had a hard time believing Thor wouldn't have just pulverized him on the spot instead of spending the end of that whole fight scene pretty much grappling with him (which looked like he had his arm stuck in something actually).
At any rate unless he improves I *REALLY* hope Joss doesn't get his hands on Baron Zemo, after what he did with Von Strucker I'm loathe to think of what he'd do with that character. Baron Zemo being one of the usual leaders of "The Masters Of Evil" another huge Captain America villain, and the mastermind behind the original Thunderbolts concept. Von Strucker and Zemo should both be able to give Cap a run for his money a lot like The Winter Soldier did.
