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Magog1 said:
How exactly are we out of line? If you'd said that comment to a user on the forums you still would've been punished.

Yes, Bob is the only voice on movies here, and it's a shame that we can't have an opposing view side by side. You always have the option of not watching his videos, though.
 

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Magog1 said:
I'd like to thank what ever part of the moderating staff lifted my suspension. (Honestly didn't realize it till now cause i kept checking the pm box for a reply).
Just a heads up for the future (or for anyone reading this), but the appeal responses go to your email, not your Escapist inbox. Check that (and your spam folder).
 

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Out of interest, how long do warnings take to scroll off our health bar? I seem to have accumulated three now, for very trivial offenses, and they're really pissing me off.

How much longer do I need to wait before they disappear?
 

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TopazFusion said:
It takes 6 consecutive months of good behavior, for 1 warning to be removed. In other words, 1 warning will will be removed, 6 months after you last got a warning.
If you get hit with another warning before the 6 months is up, it resets the 6 month timer, unfortunately.
Well, I'm sure you guys would know better than I, but it certainly seems like bloody ages ago.

Actually, having just checked my inbox, one was January 14th 2013 and the other March 5th 201313. So if I'm counting that correctly (six months from 05/03/13 = roughly 05/08/13?) I should have dropped one warning a week or two before receiving one today.

TopazFusion said:
Also, it's worth mentioning, if you disagree with any warning you've been issued, you can dispute it using the appeals form...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/contact/subject/forums

Be sure to include an email address, as appeal replies are sent to that email address, and NOT to your Escapist inbox.
I saw the link, considered it, decided it was pointless. Another user created an account with no avatar or badges, posted only in the one extremely flamebait-y thread they created around a pointless topic and threw in a few implied insults to other gamers, and it seems I and a few others got slapped with warnings for pointing out the obvious troll. A thread you yourself closed down for, presumably, being a blatant attempt to troll.

However, if the rule is "Thou Shalt Not Call A Troll A Troll Even When Patently Obvious", then I'm guilty of breaking it. I might not be entirely in agreement with the rule, but it is still the rule, so there's not a lot of point in appealing when I'm clearly in the wrong. It just irks me to have warnings on my account, since I generally try not to be an arsehole :p
 

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TopazFusion said:
March to August is only 5 months, not 6. :(
Buggeration.

TopazFusion said:
I'll admit it can be infuriating at times.
But calling another forum user a troll is against the rules, no matter how accurate you might actually be in the context. =/
So, and please note I'm not trying to rules-lawyer here, I'm just curious, why is it unacceptable to call a troll a troll but acceptable to point out when someone is being blatantly racist, sexist etc?
 

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SonicWaffle said:
TopazFusion said:
March to August is only 5 months, not 6. :(
Buggeration.

TopazFusion said:
I'll admit it can be infuriating at times.
But calling another forum user a troll is against the rules, no matter how accurate you might actually be in the context. =/
So, and please note I'm not trying to rules-lawyer here, I'm just curious, why is it unacceptable to call a troll a troll but acceptable to point out when someone is being blatantly racist, sexist etc?
Late to the party, but I only occasionally come back here to do housekeeping.

It's because of the logical fallacy. Before an argument can be dismissed, it should at least be addressed first - even if said argument is fallacious. Like TopazFusion said above, it's a common practice in online communities for arguments to be lazily deflected as trolling, and more often than not, it isn't.
 

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If I'm watching an old ZP or Jimquisition-video, and find the subject so interesting that I want to reply to the thread that belongs to the video, does that count as necroing a really old thread that awards me a big fat warning/suspension/ban, depending on my current standing? Or does it depend on if I actually add something to the discussion?
 

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Sometimes I feel really put off from posting on The Escapist. I see a lot of people getting bans or suspensions and I still don't get why the necroing rule is in place, I just don't see the down side to old threads being bumped up by someone who has something to add to the conversation. I'm ok with following rules but sometimes it's hard to tell when you can or can't post in a particular thread.

EDIT: That's it I'm fed up with this site and so I'm going to make a suggestion. if you guys don't want people posting in old threads. LOCK THEM. I'm a mod on The Light Castle Remix so trust me everyone else I know the certain powers that moderators have (I won't post them, I'm certain that's a rule too, is complaining about rules a rule? I'm certain it is, -100 points from Gyffrindor!)

SERIOUSLY. Just lock the threads. There is literally no point in keeping a thread open if you're going to pass out warnings to people for posting in them so either get rid of the rule or lock the threads. Otherwise it looks like you're just keeping them open to trick people and for clarity how long is too long? Seriously, I'm actually asking.

It's annoying since when I want to be talking with other people, I'm actually checking the time and date like Freddy Kruger's taken up a job as a meter maid.
 

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funnydude6556 said:
EDIT: That's it I'm fed up with this site and so I'm going to make a suggestion. if you guys don't want people posting in old threads. LOCK THEM.


SERIOUSLY. Just lock the threads. There is literally no point in keeping a thread open if you're going to pass out warnings to people for posting in them so either get rid of the rule or lock the threads. Otherwise it looks like you're just keeping them open to trick people
Don't worry, you're not the first to make this suggestion.

And I agree. Old threads are left open like land mines for people to trip on.
 

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IceForce said:
funnydude6556 said:
EDIT: That's it I'm fed up with this site and so I'm going to make a suggestion. if you guys don't want people posting in old threads. LOCK THEM.


SERIOUSLY. Just lock the threads. There is literally no point in keeping a thread open if you're going to pass out warnings to people for posting in them so either get rid of the rule or lock the threads. Otherwise it looks like you're just keeping them open to trick people
Don't worry, you're not the first to make this suggestion.

And I agree. Old threads are left open like land mines for people to trip on.
Exactly. I'm fine with rules, I make a point of making sure not to break the rules but I don't think it's my fault if I don't happen to notice that it's been more then 30 days since the last post. I can't make new threads and it seems like it'd be a lot easier if maybe The Escapist found a way to be notified of when a thread has been inactive for more then 30 days so they can lock it.
 

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There's this kickstarter I want to promote, is it okay for me to create a thread about it if I'm not related to it (except for being a backer)?
 

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TopazFusion said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
How does one go about closing an account?
Use this. Tell them you want a requested ban.
Well, that makes sense. I submit a form to the people who have ignored everything I've sent their way, the very reason I've got issues with this site. Christ, I think I'm going to be sick. I'm serious. The thought of having to deal with the exact same people who have left me twisting on issues of harassment has left me shaking. I've dealt with death threats since Gamergate started, but this, this is what gets to me.

I give up.
 

PetitDemon

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Just signed up and read the rules.

Why are there rules against discussing pornography and pedophilia on this site?
I can obviously understand not posting porn or questionable things of that nature. But not being able to discuss it seems a bit... excessive.

Though I'm a new poster, so I don't really know why.
 

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PetitDemon said:
Just signed up and read the rules.

Why are there rules against discussing pornography and pedophilia on this site?
I can obviously understand not posting porn or questionable things of that nature. But not being able to discuss it seems a bit... excessive.

Though I'm a new poster, so I don't really know why.
According to the Code of Conduct the forums are meant to be PG-13, it may be slightly hard to believe with the content of some of the videos here but there you go. I guess the staff think those two subjects are a little too far over the line to allow, that and the latter caused a spate of flame wars on this site before discussion was banned.
 

PetitDemon

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Wow, you really could have fooled me about PG-13 with some of the things that Yahtzee an Jim Sterling say and do.

But I can definitely at least understand with the pedophilia thing. It's a pretty sensitive subject.
And in some cases, pornography, too.

Thanks for helping me learn.
 

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JoJo said:
PetitDemon said:
Just signed up and read the rules.

Why are there rules against discussing pornography and pedophilia on this site?
I can obviously understand not posting porn or questionable things of that nature. But not being able to discuss it seems a bit... excessive.

Though I'm a new poster, so I don't really know why.
According to the Code of Conduct the forums are meant to be PG-13, it may be slightly hard to believe with the content of some of the videos here but there you go. I guess the staff think those two subjects are a little too far over the line to allow, that and the latter caused a spate of flame wars on this site before discussion was banned.
If you're saying they banned a topic due to flamewars, I don't believe you.
Because if that were true, there are plenty of other topics that would be banned too for the same reason. (GamerGate, Anita Sarkeesian, etc.)

But if you're not saying that and I've misunderstood, then nevermind me.
 

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PetitDemon said:
IceForce said:
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(...)including, advocating, or linking to illegal or adult material(...)
As long as you don't do that in a post about the subject, you're fine. Spoiler anything with (NSFW) if you think it's approaching those things (but obviously doesn't cross the line). "Including" just means actually containing offending material in the actual post. Don't say that you've committed an illegal act or use AdBlocker and don't recommend it to anybody else.

The only thing really consistently gets PG-13 here is the standard of conversation, critical thinking and general behaviour, but I guess it could be a lot worse if we didn't have rules like that. So don't get sucked into arguments, just be cordial and honest and you should be fine.
 

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IceForce said:
JoJo said:
PetitDemon said:
Just signed up and read the rules.

Why are there rules against discussing pornography and pedophilia on this site?
I can obviously understand not posting porn or questionable things of that nature. But not being able to discuss it seems a bit... excessive.

Though I'm a new poster, so I don't really know why.
According to the Code of Conduct the forums are meant to be PG-13, it may be slightly hard to believe with the content of some of the videos here but there you go. I guess the staff think those two subjects are a little too far over the line to allow, that and the latter caused a spate of flame wars on this site before discussion was banned.
If you're saying they banned a topic due to flamewars, I don't believe you.
Because if that were true, there are plenty of other topics that would be banned too for the same reason. (GamerGate, Anita Sarkeesian, etc.)

But if you're not saying that and I've misunderstood, then nevermind me.


Flame wars were the final trigger that got those topics specifically banned in the CoC but it wasn't that alone, the staff also (probably rightfully) believed that they weren't appropriate or relevant for discussion on a PG-13 gaming forum. The same cannot be said for Anita Sarkeesian or Gamergate, as much as some people wish otherwise.
 

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Fappy said:
Holy crap, looks like you put a lot of work into this.

Personally, I have never been a fan of review scores. When I worked for my college paper I included them because that was the paper's policy, but once I began writing reviews on my own time I opted not to use them. I don't like them for a number of reasons you could probably guess right off the top of your head, but I am not wholly against their use when done right.

Though the sample size is rather narrow for the strict 4 to 5 star rating system, I am surprised to see it fall so neatly in-line with those that use broader systems. I've always thought that using a tighter rating system would make the scoring far less arbitrary and result in more honest scoring. Just look at GameInformer if you want to see the most arbitrary review scores of all time (what the fuck differentiates 97.3% from 97.5%?!).

I kind of think the age of review scores is beginning to wane, however. More and more people are beginning to get their information from previously unconventional sources (mostly Youtube) and many more are suckers for pre-order culture, which circumvent the review process entirely. Outside of parents looking for Christmas gifts for their kids, I don't see it a very useful consumer tool these days. All it really seems to do is give fanboys something to rage about.
Would a moderator please be as kind as to tell us (i.e. me) what part of the quoted post constitutes a bannable offense?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.872132-In-defense-of-the-number-a-note-on-video-game-review-scores#21874803

I'm genuinely curious because I don't see anything in that post that violates the Code of Conduct.

I am deeply concerned about the seeming inconsistency and heavy handedness of moderation on this forum. The moderators seem to be able to hand out penalties for any reason they please, with minimal distinction between what constitutes a valid critique and an insult.

The instruction that you need to provide a reason for your critique is flawed, because by what metrics are these reasons judged as valid?

And how vague exactly must a condemnation of a group be, with reasons provided, to evade the "insult other users" rule? The difference seems to boil down to semantics and nothing else.

Likewise, the rules against "trolling" seems to give the moderators carte blanchƩ to remove nearly anything that could even be remotely construed as confrontational, as well as inflict a nearly permanent penalty (6 months without a warning? That's madness) for what boils down to a matter of opinion, rather than a clear intentional breach of the code of conduct.

We cannot possibly know. Likewise for posts that "incite" inappropriate responses, where only every other post seems to be moderated.

And no, if you slap a warning on me for this you only prove the point I'm making. Being able to discuss the practises of the moderating team in a public environment is necessary to maintain a good atmosphere where users feel that they can engage in discussion without fear of sudden reprisal for "transgressions".

The appeals process seems to have no impact whatsoever, since it's impossible to gauge if anything forwarded to the moderators through it is even remotely considered in the application of the moderating policies. I have not in a single communique with them felt that they even remotely considered overturning a penalty or even be willing to consider the context of the post moderated.

I made a topic a while ago where I got moderated 3 times, the last time seemingly for making the topic in the first place. The other two times for replying in a snarky manner to users that insulted me, albeit not directly.

Apparently it's not permitted to point out how poorly a person comes across for expressing glee over someone else being a target of moderation?