The Batman trailer is here

[Ezekiel]

Jack's take on the movie is almost 100% my take on the movie; The Batman actively hates Batman.

Not gonna watch the long video, but sounds about right. The movie lacks any sense of real heroism, which has been in most of Batman's stories as far as I can tell. It never excites. Diminishes or excludes important elements of Batman for a mystery story that is merely adequate, that never gets to the level of any of the really good detective movies. I was a little unsure about the 3/5 I rated it, but the more I think about it the more appropriate it feels.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Phoenixmgs]

I still do not like Rises. It is definitely a film where if you only remember the high points you forget why it had such tepid response on release. You remember those big bombastic Bane scenes where Tom Hardy chew the scenery like he's in Shakespeare. However its very bloated. The Bane, Talia Al Gul bait and switch just adds nothing to the film for me and makes Bane worse for it. The movie sidetracks a lot. I think you could have cut like 30 minutes out, removed Talia and Robin and it would be a much better movie. All the great scenes are Bane or Bane and Batman. Cat woman works, but honestly Anne Hathaway could be just about anybody. I like her as an actress, but I didn't find her compelling. The ending drags. I get the general sense that this is a misfire for Nolan similar to Interstellar. You see what he envisioned, but it doesn't quite come together.

I feel Rises works well enough overall whereas I don't think Interstellar works as a complete movie, there's really amazing scenes in it though. I always think going in that the movie takes like an hour with Batman in the Pit but he really doesn't have too much screen time in that pit. I don't mind the Talia and Bane bait and switch because it's not really a switch to me, they are more like partners even though Talia is the leader with executive decision power, but they feel more like a duo vs Bane being just her underling like say Scarecrow to Ra's in Begins.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Ezekiel]

Why does a "realistic" Batman need a cape? Wouldn't it be more of a hindrance? It doesn't do anything. I mean, if you're so bothered about guns that you insist on metal armor, why not also take off this item the bad guys can grab? Which is why I say "realistic superhero" is an oxymoron. Occurred to me as I'm watching another animated episode and remembering how much shorter the cape was in the movie.

 

[BrawlMan]

I am so pre-ordering a Blu Ray copy of this movie when they start them.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[MrCalavera]

So i've come to terms and accepted that Batman movies will just keep coming out and went to see the new one.
Unfortunately it was good enough to make me want a sequel.

But how about this: after we're done with Matt Reeves trilogy, how about adapting some of the many bat-spinoffs to shake things up? Make live action Beyond or Gotham by Gaslight, finally.

 

[Ezekiel]

Don't know why they call videos like this "Making of." It leans far more towards "Interviews." All I'm interested in is some extended on-set footage without the loud music and masturbatory talking so that I can confirm for myself that the suit sounds as loud and clunky as it looks.

 

[BrawlMan]

Neat.

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[BrawlMan]

The Batman Is Batman by Way of David Fincher - The Escapist

Matt Reeves movie The Batman views the world through screens and has similarities to David Fincher films Fight Club & The Social Network.

www.escapistmagazine.com

 

[BrawlMan]

That is brilliant. My mind had a similar thought.

Much has been discussed that the Riddler's depiction is somewhat different from his standard depiction as a egotistical narcissist who wants to prove himself superior to Batman. And while that's true for most of the movie, by the end it's arguably not so much. Before he reveals that he believes himself and Batman to be brothers in arms, the Riddler comments that people won't forget or ignore him from that point — quite an egotistical comment from someone who apparently just wants to expose the corrupt underbelly of Gotham. Then, when Batman rejects him, after his breakdown he spitefully taunts Batman that he won't be able to stop his plan and will be crushed by it if he tries to — only to watch in rage as Batman, while not exactly stopping his plan, nevertheless thwarts his scheme to assassinate the new Mayor and make things worse, saves as many people as he can, establishes himself as a hero to the people of Gotham rather than just another crazy vigilante, and overall completely steals the Riddler's thunder. If the Riddler didn't have motivation to prove himself superior to Batman before, he sure does now... This also means that this movie turns out to be an origin story after all — only it's the Riddler's origin story, not Batman's.

The Batman (2022) / Fridge - TV Tropes

Remember that spoilers are unmarked in Headscratchers and Fridge! Fridge Brilliance: You can tell this Batman hasn't worked out the "Bruce Wayne" persona yet, because his body language is the same both in and out of the suit; stiff as a board, …

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[Bob_McMillan]

So, the Joker.


Good thing they cut it out, because the idea of a 2 year old Batman already having faced and beaten the Joker is really stupid.

As for the performance itself, it comes off as a slightly accented, younger Ledger. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I would have thought they'd want to really differentiate him this time. We're really not gonna get an actual Clown Prince of Crime here I feel, with how gross this Joker looks.

 

[Piscian]

So, the Joker.


Good thing they cut it out, because the idea of a 2 year old Batman already having faced and beaten the Joker is really stupid.

As for the performance itself, it comes off as a slightly accented, younger Ledger. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I would have thought they'd want to really differentiate him this time. We're really not gonna get an actual Clown Prince of Crime here I feel, with how gross this Joker looks.

Think it depends on how evolved a character Joker is at this point. The big negative for me is the Make up prosthetics are pretty rough. You can clearly tell its all rubber. Look at his forehead. Maybe they would have done some CGI clean up to make his face move a little more. As it is, his face has no expression which I think is key to the character. Health ledgers character was insanely expressive in everything hed did, ironically despite the mouth prosthesis, but Health did a good job of working it into the way he talked.

I can see the idea, Joker gives him a bunch of hints that kinda roll right over him. I can also see why they cut it. Just not necessary to the story. I think if they did this scene theyd need to reference it somehow earlier in the film to foreshadow a previous event, why its a big deal that Batman is coming to see this person. Otherwise the audience doesn't have any context other than "meta". The other characters in the film work without any fan context, this guy just..idk, he's not compelling, at least with the scene were given. Without a previous film hes just goofy looking nobody with an annoying laugh. He just doesn't have any presence.

I was onboard with the idea of Jared letos Joker because this was supposed to be a kind of modern take on DC. At least it would have been something different. This just feels that CW joker, though I only watched a scene or two before I'd had enough of him.

I have a feeling Matt Revees is not going to do Joker. I think its widely accepted as a dead horse and the scene we got in the film was a tease for the fans. If they decide to go forward with a Joker I'd like him to be more sinister, something reminiscent the of the Joker in DKR maybe that combined with the younger version seen in Return of the Joker.

Heath Ledgers joker as he states the film was more an Agent of Chaos, he liked the idea of putting people in situations that drove them over the edge, He rarely even kills anyone that isn't a bad or in his way.

I'd rather they mold something else, Like David Bowie's look mixed with Hannibal Lector.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[SilentPony]

SNIP​

It has a real Silence of the Lamb feel. I like it. Its different, but clearly takes from Heath Ledger's Joker way more than Nicholson's horrible Joker, or Phoenix's horrible Joker, or even Leto's every more horrible Joker.
He comes off as demented but intelligent, but also has that weird obsession with Batman the Joker is supposed to have, both with just straight up wanting to talk about Bats, and referencing their anniversary being paper.
Also I like that Joker and Batman already had a fight. I don't overly like a brand new Joker vs brand new Batman. Good to give them a little bit of episodic continuity.

 

[BrawlMan]

way more than Nicholson's horrible Joker, or Phoenix's horrible Joker, or even Leto's every more horrible Joker.

Wrong. Nicholson is an awesome Joker, then and now. This will always be awesome.

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Phoenix is great and has his own unique charm to it. I won't ever see the movie again though. I didn't mind Leto's Joker, but it's clear that there was a case of mismanagement, and the executives butting in where they didn't belong. The director didn't help by being too on the nose for crazy though.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[SilentPony]

Wrong. Nicholson is an awesome Joker, then and now. This will always be awesome.

If by "awesome" you mean an incredibly awkward, out of place, dated use of a song by that creep Prince in a desperate attempt to bring Batman into the real world, then...sure?
Its the equivalent of Joker from the Batman having a music video set to a BTS song. Smells of that "How's it going, fellow kids?" meme.

 

[BrawlMan]

If by "awesome" you mean an incredibly awkward, out of place, dated use of a song by that creep Prince in a desperate attempt to bring Batman into the real world, then...sure?
Its the equivalent of Joker from the Batman having a music video set to a BTS song. Smells of that "How's it going, fellow kids?" meme.

It worked well for that Joker, and it still does now. There is no shame nor embarrassment. While dated, I don't consider it a bad thing nor a horrible blemish you are making it out to be. A majority of people still enjoy that scene doesn't matter if there old, young, casual, hardcore, or non Batman fans. There is more to it than your personal, absurdly high, standard. The Joker is attention whore, it fits. Or being funny on his terms. Perfectly in character.