The Big Picture: All The World Is Waiting

[Lordpils]

I doubt that terrible new look for Wonder Woman will last any longer then Supermans abomination of a new costume.

 

[messy]

My argument as why this wouldn't work is because the "masculinity" you talk about is on the decline, you talk about it yourself in the "average joe's video".

Also you talk about sexual liberation that she implied, which is all fine and what not, but then you spend every other movie review talking about "that awesome lesbian kiss." Which just seems a bit counter productive. At the idea Lesbianism and BDSM etc. were so unheard of the whole thing would be forbidden and perhaps a little uncomfortable to read. But nowadays (as well as a largely liberal view to sex in the western world) this sort of thing is apparently used by movie reviewers to add a few stars. And I think if you heard people say "let's go see that new female super hero, there are lesbains in it!" then the idea of a decent female comic book film would be ruined.

I think she requires a bit of re-invention. Batman wasn't all as a dark or brooding as he is now. Hell I own a comic book where the initial premise is Dick Grayson and him go off to enjoy a day at the fair. And not in the famous killing joke story, they in fact save the fair from some bad men. Hell the scarecrow just used to scare people with a mask so he could get more money for books. However I will say I haven't read loads of WW so if I'm wrong please let me know, although I just read blackest night and in that she becomes a Star Sapphire...

 

[Sabrestar]

Milla Jovovich = competent dramatic actress and can pull off action scenes. Just get a wig or a box of hair dye.

Morena Baccarin = Incredibly beautiful, and can pull of a sense of wisdom few people actually have while playing a space whore.

Angelina Jolie = A wide range acting ability, tons of awards, does action movies, and yeah.


I can't think of any thing else.

Ooh, I can't believe I didn't think of Morena Baccarin. Yeah, she'd be perfect. Good call.

 

[Caliostro]

Am I the only person that hates the Wonder Woman character?

Ok, it's not really "hate" as much as "it's a terrible character". Admittedly I haven't exactly studied her in depth, but everything I see from her makes her out to be a female Superman wannabe.

And no, that story would not make a good movie, because it's TERRIBLE.

Keeping in mind that these are amazon women, so, perfectly normal women with the exception that they were very battle proficient, how the fuck did their civilization last without means to conceive children? Lesbian sex is nice and all, but how do you reproduce without the male element...? You don't, off course, which leads to the question of how do they even exist, let alone of how the queen has a daughter at all...

But ok, it's a super hero movie, so let's put one big "it's magic, deal with it" stamp on that. Ok, done. Next problem: Are they all retarded? I mean, seriously, if I was a woman I'd be as insulted to have those represent me as I am to have people like the Gears of Wars trolls. So ONE guy was a complete douchecunt in a time where everyone was a douche, and instantly ALL men are evil? Had they NEVER met a single men worth hanging around? What universe was this in again?

Ok, so they're slightly functionally retarded, and there's unexplained Deus Ex Machina level magic going around... So far so bad, but let's keep going... A people that have extensively hated men for ages, suddenly find a men and..... it's all good? ...uh? Why didn't one of them simple throw a spear through his face? It's not like you could claim that they just bred out the stupid out of their civilization, since they can't breed at all.

Ok, so, whatever, this whole thing happens... Then... This super amazon women, that never had any contact with any modern civilization, just more or less seamlessly joins a civilization she knows nothing about overnight... Right. Guessing whatever universe she's in they have manuals for "how to live"...

...It's....several levels of stupid.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

That would have been a cool plot idea if JL hadn't subscribed to the bullshit notion that Hades is evil, and as most of us here would know; Hades ruled both the Virtuous dead in the Elesiyan(sp) Fields and the Disgraced dead of Tartarus.

Seriously, I'd use that idea for the movie, and have Hades played by Christopher Lee.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Am I the only person that hates the Wonder Woman character?

Ok, it's not really "hate" as much as "it's a terrible character". Admittedly I haven't exactly studied her in depth, but everything I see from her makes her out to be a female Superman wannabe.

And no, that story would not make a good movie, because it's TERRIBLE.

Keeping in mind that these are amazon women, so, perfectly normal women with the exception that they were very battle proficient, how the fuck did their civilization last without means to conceive children? Lesbian sex is nice and all, but how do you reproduce without the male element...? You don't, off course, which leads to the question of how do they even exist, let alone of how the queen has a daughter at all...

But ok, it's a super hero movie, so let's put one big "it's magic, deal with it" stamp on that. Ok, done. Next problem: Are they all retarded? I mean, seriously, if I was a woman I'd be as insulted to have those represent me as I am to have people like the Gears of Wars trolls. So ONE guy was a complete douchecunt in a time where everyone was a douche, and instantly ALL men are evil? Had they NEVER met a single men worth hanging around? What universe was this in again?

Ok, so they're slightly functionally retarded, and there's unexplained Deus Ex Machina level magic going around... So far so bad, but let's keep going... A people that have extensively hated men for ages, suddenly find a men and..... it's all good? ...uh? Why didn't one of them simple throw a spear through his face? It's not like you could claim that they just bred out the stupid out of their civilization, since they can't breed at all.

Ok, so, whatever, this whole thing happens... Then... This super amazon women, that never had any contact with any modern civilization, just more or less seamlessly joins a civilization she knows nothing about overnight... Right. Guessing whatever universe she's in they have manuals for "how to live"...

...It's....several levels of stupid.

Well according to what I've seen, the Amazons were conquered and kept as slaves by Hercules and his army with everything that would imply. After a long time of hard graft and violent rebellion (and in some sources some help from Hera), they are freed from their bondage but left a deeply distrustful and broken people. So Hera creates an island for them, hidden by the magics of Haephestus, to allow them to recover. They are also blessed with immortality, hence why they didn't die out.

In fact a big point of the animated movie was a deconstruction the straw feminism the Amazons possessed. And the end of it; Hyppolita sends Diana back to 'Man's World' to continue as their ambassador; to learn, to help and to eventually bridge the Amazons back into the rest of the world.

I'll concede the invisible jet though, that idea is plain fucking retarded with the exception of Crisis on Two Earths, where she stole it from Owlman as 'spoils of war'

Its just like Batman and Superman: Wonder Woman has a lot of baggage from 70 odd years of continuity rewrites, retcons and other nonsense. A good movie, like Batman Begins/Dark Knight did, strip away the bullshit, and use the workable elements to create the film.

 

[Marowit]

I think it'd be really really difficult for Hollywood to do a good Wonder Woman movie - It'd end up being too hypersexualized in order to get NASCAR fans to pack the seats (Just look at what they did with Transformers and Megan Fox *vomit*).

It'd be great if they could make a movie about a strong female super hero, but I just don't see it happening. Once they show me they can turn male super heroes, consistently, into good movies I don't hold a shred of hope for a female role being taken seriously by the execs/movie genre.

It was really cool finding out about the creator, great episode as always.

 

[Jackle_666]

All The World Is Waiting

This week, Bob looks at the origins of our favorite Amazonian.

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"Now tell me there isn't a good movie in there"

Why? You've just proven it to me.

 

[Vault Citizen]

I'll concede the invisible jet though, that idea is plain fucking retarded with the exception of Crisis on Two Earths, where she stole it from Owlman as 'spoils of war'

Am I in the minority when I say that the invisible plane is awesome? It's an invisible plane, what more do you want? Though to be fair this could just be coming from the fact that untill my teens one of my biggest sources of superhero fiction was the 60's Batman tv series.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I'll concede the invisible jet though, that idea is plain fucking retarded with the exception of Crisis on Two Earths, where she stole it from Owlman as 'spoils of war'

Am I in the minority when I say that the invisible plane is awesome? It's an invisible plane, what more do you want? Though to be fair this could just be coming from the fact that untill my teens one of my biggest sources of superhero fiction was the 60's Batman tv series.

Well the idea of an invisible plane is inherently cool, there are simply two things working against it as something of Wonder Woman's:

1) - It becomes an oddity since Themyscira hasn't visibly moved up from its Ancient Greek roots or technology, so its origin is a giant WTF.

2) - Its rather redundant on the whole for someone who can fly and is strong enough to bench press tectonic plates if she goes full pelt.

However, if someone were to make Themyscira and the Amazons some sort of Schizo-Tech thing: with sword and sandles sitting comfortably next to bullets and bombs with them having a preference for keeping their Greek motif as a way of them to remember their roots; I'd be fully on board.

 

[Jeffro Tull]

This vid was probably my favorite from this series. I never really got into Wonder Woman... Hell I never really got into DC since in the 80s and early to mid 90s DC story lines kept getting stranger and gimmicky. It was interesting to hear the back story of WW through the life of her creators. It kind of explained a lot. Unfortunately I just couldn't get into WW comics. I don't necessarily know what the deal was. Most likely it was the lasso of truth, and the invisible plane that kept her visible... yeah that's just dumb... The base concept behind the character of WW makes for a good super hero. I'll go to my local comic store and check out the newest issue today, hell I might even like it.

 

[Sutter Cane]

There's definitely an interesting story to be had here - it's a shame Warner Brothers can't be bothered with good writers and film-makers for their superhero gigs outside of Christopher Nolan.

Bryan Singer (the usual suspects and the first 2 X-men Films) who directed Superman returns for DC, and Martin Campbell (director of Goldeneye and Casino Royale) who is directing the upcoming green lantern film would care to disagree.

 

[Falseprophet]

I always thought the villians were more important in making a good movie.

I don't know any wonderwoman villians.

I think the Iron Man films stand against that logic. Other than the Mandarin (who hasn't even been used in the films yet), all of Stark's recurring foes seem to be an interchangeable cast of business rivals, corporate spies and guys in powered armour nursing grudges. And yet the films have been successful and even acclaimed. But if even DC can't get a handle on Wonder Woman's character in the comics [http://ragnell.blogspot.com/2010/06/caring-for-your-wonder-woman-garden.html], I don't think any filmmaker has a chance.

They have made a good movie out of her origin, it just happened to be animated and direct-to-DVD. But seriously, I highly recommend the recent Wonder Woman animated movie for anyone even remotely interested in the character. Also, Nathan Fillion plays Steve Trevor, so it has that going for it, too.

Not only was a great movie, it was one of the better DC Animated films. Definitely better than the first Public Enemies. (Although the sequel, Apocalypse, was pretty awesome, and Wonder Woman and Big Barda tag-teaming the Furies was the second-coolest part of it.) At least on par with Green Lantern: First Flight. And yet, no second WW animated feature.

Alas, I doubt we'll see a Wonder Woman film in the foreseeable future. But as long as we're fantasy casting, my current pick is Bridget Regan from Legend of the Seeker. She looks the part, I think she convincingly portrays grace, wisdom and strength, and can do decent fight choreography.

 

[alexbaxthedarkside]

I ALWAYS ,ALWAYS, ALWAYS watch the big Picture Movie Bob. And I think you just sold me on how amazing Wonder woman is, having never read the comics, only when she cameos in superman and the like.

Thanks very much, Always love your show!!!!!

 

[Connor Lonske]

Man, /co/ is going to hate this crap. On a show related note, that's cool, nice work Bob.

 

[Andrew Sepulveda]

HOLY S*** !!!