The Big Picture: Combat Evolved?

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drisky

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You could say the same thing about most video games, thats because we need to fight a variety of enemies to keep things fresh. You could say the thing about Donkey Kong Country, sure they have the ridding animals but for the most part its monkeys fighting a team up of alligators, vultures, fish, bees and so on. Its for gameplay, not narrative.
 

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YAY, more MovieBob, I hope future episodes are a bit longer so he can go into more detail about the topic, but I think this is a good start.
 

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Dude, this is exactly the kind of show you should've been doing all along. I love how informative it was. This is a definitely another favorite, right after Extra Credits.
 

CosmicCommander

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WaderiAAA said:
I think you're both missing the point. He isn't saying that Bungie is in racist, but that they have without even thinking about it made something that has many aspects that can be seen as racist and that they really ought to think it through before they make it.
What... so now game producers have to analyse every tiny detail of their products to ensure their products don't annoy or offend someone who's obviously picking nits over something because he dislikes it, has come to a 'revelation' no-one else has actually noticed? Bob is just cherry picking[footnote]In academia, there's a term known as cherry picking- it's when a person deliberately seeks out minute details or observations on their subject to either make it look good, or make it look bad; and I can see Bob's just made sure we never can have cherries again.

Ever.[/footnote] as many issues as humanly possible?

It's clear the guy dislikes Halo- but now he's just gonna look for the smallest freakin' details to put the franchise down. Any thing can be perceived as advocating something if you read into it enough- Bob just can't get over the fact that Halo is so popular, and yet he dislikes it; he's pissed because the vast majority of gamers don't agree with him. Hell, I can relate.

I mean, take the eye-changing thing, isn't there any other way they could show that the tranformation was complete rather than give the soldiers the eye-colour of the aryan race? Even in context, I don't see any scientific reason why the eyes would change to blue.
No, you're just reading into it all to much. The eyes were an easy way for the director to symbolise the change from a mundane soldier into super-powerful killing machine. It's meant to reflect a change in the overall state of the soldier, their mind, body, life, all changed. And blue is a noticeable, easy to see colour.

It's meant as a fancy effect.

And do you think any game studio is gonna look at their products and go... "OOH LOOOK... THAT'S THE EYE COLOUR OF AN ÜBERMENSCH!" They didn't design the game to be racist, and it's only a really skewered interpretation of it that makes something so mundane seem so bad. Developers aren't gonna check to make sure the most minute details of things to make sure no bulls*** views on it are made.

I still love ya' Bob, but please never mention Halo again.
 
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Nom Nom Nom. Over 310 comments already? This one's a keeper.

Not sure about the faces though. It seems a visually distorting anti-focus from the main message.
 

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... yeah talk about looking for meaning in shallow places. Your falling into the critics realm of adding contextual meaning to a game that had none intended, whether the symbolic cock ups are there or not shoehorning it into social dynamics is plain ironic.

The multi culture of the enemies might just be to do with hmm lets see the fact aliens have no limiting factor of imagine or creativity. Where human are limit by the fact that they are human... so cant be as diverse.
This isn't necessarily true. Consider Extra Credit's diversity episode. Besides the one marine that just happens to show up in every halo, where's the black guys? Where's the asian guys? Latinos? middle eastern? How about female marines (besides the pilots and cortana) or... what about a gay spartan? a lesbian spartan?

Like bob said, they've taken some time to push the boundaries of the characters a bit in this game, but you can't tell me you didn't notice that all the marines are either white, british or australian! (I find the mexican ones to be debatable)

Before you counter argue with me that there's not sexual diversity within the covenant, think about it. It's a religious group that has assimilated several different alien races. This means that they have their own background concerning that and... in all likelyhood (speculation here) had their own genocide. Either that, or some of them are asexual or something...

some food for thought
 

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it's Halo. As Bob said, no one plays it for the story or subtext
Well I don't know about most people but I sure as hell do, I absolutely love it.

I will say good one to bob for actually being semi fair about halo, instead of just trolling it like in EttM, which is both impressive and quite pleasing.

I also did pick up on the whole racial subtext thing going on in the Halo universe but, it is worth noting that the spartans were created BEFORE the covenant showed up, to basically enforce a totalitarian, almost republican ideal of control over human colonies, the UNSC were painted as the bad guys in the books and comics a whole lot of the time, especially when the mass child suicide missions signed off by Colonel James Ackerson in Ghosts of Onyx pretty much explains just how much worse the ONI (and by extension, the UNSC) had become since the Human/Covenant war had started, so the idea that the almost racist undertones picked up on is valid as a slight on the series itself is partially true.

As they say, history is written by the victors, the winners are almost always made out to be the good guys, so there is no way to say that any particular war was won by the bad guys, just as is true with Halo, at the end of Halo 3, the Covenant has been broken, and will always be remembered in human history as a genocidal collective of aliens (which, to our credit, they were), but the SPARTAN project? It will be the greatest success in the field of nanotechnological science ever, the soldiers will be remembered, not as children who were taken from an early age and raised to be near faceless super soldiers, but rather heroic veterans of a terrible war who enlisted in a top secret project to make them the best that the human race could offer, the war crimes committed by the humans would be forgotten by everyone but the remaining spartans and Dr Halsey, that is, if ONI doesn't order that those with knowledge of the project mysteriously "disappear" after the human race begins to rebuild. Because unfortunately that is how the system works, and throughout the history of the halo universe, that has always been shown to be how the ONI do things, and that is the beauty of it, the humans aren't the heroes of the war, the UNSC are not the "good guys", they are the winners, just as blind and ignorant to the machinations of their political overseers as the races of the covenant are to the prophets actions, lest we forget, the prophets knew all along that there was no "great journey" and were completely aware of the nature of the human race to begin with, they just chose to use their religion to their own ends to instigate a holy war, not unlike certain modern day figures.

I appreciate that going through all of this information would take ages, and indeed would not really be worth it for someone with a recorded hatred of the Halo series, but I do think it is worth noting that the humans are never portrayed as the heroes of the war, people like GySgt Edward Buck is shown as a hero in ODST because of the lengths he goes to to protect his team and his friends, but Ackerson? Halsey? they are not the good guys, and certainly don't get seen as such.

thoughts?
 

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Y'know, is it just me, or is all of this getting just a little old? Another non Halo fan ranting about Halo, frankly it's been done to death, although the way Bob goes into the various backwards undertones that Halo inadvertently perpetuates, but I can't help notice he still devoted a good minute or so to just complain about how he doesn't like the game. Honestly, it's been bagged out, complained about, met with a lot of criticism (sometimes rightly so), but in the end, it's been done to death, pick a new target Escapist, when people talk about beating a dead horse, this is what they mean, Halo is your dead horse Escapist, bury it and be done.
 

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CosmicCommander said:
No, you're just reading into it all to much. The eyes were an easy way for the director to symbolise the change from a mundane soldier into super-powerful killing machine. It's meant to reflect a change in the overall state of the soldier, their mind, body, life, all changed. And blue is a noticeable, easy to see colour.
Then why not red or yellow? Those colours stand out too. Or purple, or green? Anything stands out more than brown, so why did they go with blue?
 

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Bobic said:
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He repeatedly says things along the lines of "It's unintentional, but seriously guys?" So in short, yes he has, it just makes for less interesting discussion matter. Think if you had to write an essay on a book. Would you write about the plot and characters, or would you discuss the similarities between the book and the blueprint for a giant mecha-zombie dragon?
The blueprint option of course, because people will keep reading that one rather than discussion about how character x and character y talked a lot.

OT: While your inferences are technically valid Bob, like you pointed out, they don't mean anything, that's just an accidental projection of the human state of mind of "different is scary".
But I could argue that there's no projection whatsoever, they just wanted some funky looking creatures to shoot at.
They most certainly did want funky looking creatures, they made funky looking creatures.
They put in the idea that the enemy is bad. A perfectly reasonable assumption. The thing is, while the enemy is varied and different, your troops show about as much variations as apples do: You get ones in slightly different colours, sizes and flavours, but it's just one part of the fruit salad.
Bungie are accidentally putting something out that says only apples are good, and pineapples suck, especially when you add oranges, grapes, passionfruit and other things in a derailed variety metaphor.

Of course they didn't mean to do that, it's not overt, there's a lot of other stuff in the game too,[footnote]Good stuff mind you, if a little same-y[/footnote] and you have to do some heavy reading between the lines with a few jumps of logic left out in the sun too long, but you can still get to the conclusion that Bungie made anti-variety propaganda when trying to make a fun game.
[sub]I'm not so sure why I'm using so many metaphors, but my point is that it isn't doing anything to us, you can just make that inference of that, and Bungie didn't mean to.[/sub]
 

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Um... im not a Halo Fanboy, heck I hardly even bothered with Reach, I was willing to give up on it and played the others for the Gamerscore... But wasn't the sniper in Noble team middle eastern ish?
Other than that its interesting too see that the escapist will pay for someone to get preachy about gaming culture... not that we haven't seen that before.
 

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MovieBob said:
Combat Evolved?

This week MovieBob rants about Halo.

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So let me get this strait. You dabbled in the first Halo game, and were convinced to play the new one Halo Reach, and from that you are going to make a all encompassing review of the whole universe, and the underlining story? Humm mind if I ask you to provide me with a name of a book, or movie that you enjoy the story in? Then I'll write a review based on reading the dustjacket, or watching the trailer. Because that is the extent of what you have done with the story in the Halo universe. It is far from original, but fascist? The problem with the review is you are reviewing something you have very little knowledge on. Hate, and racism are founded on ignorance. And what is ignorance, but blind judgment of what you don't understand.

If you don't like Halo fine. I can understand that very well. I can respect that, because the game isn't everyone's cup of tea. But what you said in your review is so far off the mark as to be grossly wrong. You don't have a understanding of what is happening in the story arch, and are far off the mark about the humans, and covenant as well. Research what you going to soap box about.

Why am I being critical of a game review? Because as you said this is going to be your soap box video. If you can't be bothered to understand what you are talking about when talking about a game, then will you have the time to do the same, in the future when you cover important topics that matter. Remember this may be a op-ed piece, but allot of people watch. It's one thing to give an opinion, it is another to give an opinion based off incorrect facts. We have enough talking heads these days on the big news stations, I was hoping that people like you would be smarter about their op-ed pieces, then the stuffed shirts on tv.
 

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SnootyEnglishman said:
This is quite interesting..this is looking much better than escape to the movies.
There was something wrong with E.t.t.M?

I really liked it. What didn't you like about it? (geniunely interseted)
 

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I'm sorry but I think Movie Bob needs to do a little more research for future videos because he openly admitted he hadn't played Halo 2 or 3. The games in which the humans team up with the elites for the sake of a common goal. I also don't like how he tries to make it seem the humans are the ones bullying the covenant around when the games make it clear that the covenant are a genicidal group bent on the destruction of the universe. I'd say that would be enough to start a war with.

Another thing that bugged me was that he wanted to point out how the covenant was so rich and diverse while the humans were only one race. Well you know how the covenant got all those races to agree with them? They murdered and destroyed the various races until they were forced to join. One of the reasons the covenant met all those races in the first place was that they beat the humans in the space race by thousands of years. If the humans had discovered another race out in the galaxy, they would have jumped at the idea to ally with them.

(I really hope I don't come across as some diehard Halo fanboy)

I respect Movie Bob for the work he puts into his videos, I really do, but I just think he should do a little more research before writing off a game series like Halo as having racist undertones.
 

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Okysho said:
Then why not red or yellow? Those colours stand out too. Or purple, or green? Anything stands out more than brown, so why did they go with blue?
MEANWHILE... INSIDE THE BUNGIE HQ:

Developer 1: Huh... Some guy's saying we're racist.
Developer 2: What?!
Dev 1: Apparently the blue eyes in the Halo Reach Live Action trailer prove it.
Dev 2: Erm... What?
Dev 1: Yeah... We were promoting Aryan symbolism, apparently.
Dev 2: We... What the...
Dev 1: Yeah.
Dev 2: Why the fuck would he think that?
Dev 1: I dunno... He doesn't like Halo, apparently.
Dev 2: We were SUPPOSED to know that a vague effect like that could be loosely interpreted as racist by some guy who clearly is just finding reasons to attack us?!
Dev 1: Apparently.
Dev 2: ...So the guy thinks that we should have been consciously thinking "is this racist" all along, despite it being the last thing on ANY dev team's mind? Hell, JRPGs include crude stereotypes all the time, yet they're never accused of racism!
Dev 1: Uhuh...
Dev 2: Damn...

**Scene ends with both men beginning work on "BABY FUCKER 4: I'M GONNA FUCK YOU UP WITH THE PELVIS I PULLED OUTTA SOME ARAB. AND THEN I'M GONNA STUFF SOME KFC IN YA' FACE."**
 

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I think most people play Halo for the multiplayer element, to be honest. Great video Bob! Glad to see you're getting more airtime. Hope it doesn't interfere with your column though! Go get 'em, Tiger!
 

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Great start to what looks like a great series.
Well done and continue onwards with this journey of yours into...everything.