Ultimately I agree. One thing I learned in college was just how ridiculously easy it was to read whatever intent you desired to in prose and poetry. I took several writing classes and some poetry classes (yes, I did, great place to meet granola chicks, at least back in the early nineties) and was always amazed at just how much my writing lost in the translation from conception in my head to dramatic reinterpretation by the audience.Dansrage said:I get where you're coming from, but i think the point of your opposition is that Bungie didn't sit down one day and say "Lets make a deeply metaphorical and cleverly disguised statement about fascism." They just made a game where you're a cool guy who shoots wierd aliens.camazotz said:Think of it this way: what Bob is suggesting (I think) is not that the game is portraying fascists/racists as we tend to imagine them, but rather how fascists/racists see themselves; the minority elite, put upon/threatened by the vast unwashed masses of "Them." The game is basically a sympathetic presentation of how the master race might feel when the barbarians are at the gates, essentially. Also, curiously exactly like that excellent propaganda film about the Spartans in 300, in which the barbarian hordes in that case were the virtually demonic Persians, overwhelming in their number and their endless capacity for evil.....in the eyes of the Spartans, anyway.xerounlimited said:Well a new MovieBob show? Sounds good but, we'll have to see where it goes.
From this just this episode I can see the thing I disliked about The Game Overthinker. Which is not that you read in to things to much, it's that you connect dots of things that aren't actually there.
"Okay so covenant diverse... Spartans not... I find the covenant much more interesting." Okay I guess so, I mean you do have a point, I do like learning about different and visually interesting aliens then faceless space marines, I mean thats why I like viewing other cultures then my own, I know about my country and culture already, I want to learn about new, foreign things.
"Spartans are anti diversity" Um, I guess...
"Spartans are shooting for a master race." Wait what? How did we go from diversity of aliens to master race?
I could believe what you were saying if man in the story, wasn't trying protect itself from a crazed alien cult. There aren't any moments in halo where some blonde hair, blue eyed leader of the spartans tells everyone else they must 'purify' the universe of alien lifeforms, but there isn't, this is a story of man protecting himself from a crazed, essentially cult, of aliens.
Anyway, criticism aside congrats on a new show, I'd like to see where this goes. Just please, don't connect ideas that aren't there...
Again I'd like to see where
It's an interesting and disturbing reversal, and thanks to Bob, I probably will never view Halo the same way again...
A good contrast for a franchise that is in the same vein but which I feel does not do this is Gears of War. Gears reflects a more disturbing conflict, I feel....some sort of vague allegory for the problems between Israel and Palestine, maybe, but with humanity and the Locusts in their stead....a different kind of tragedy in the making.
Anything more than that is what people read into it, and lets be honest, you can read whatever you want into anything as complex as the Halo universe.
I could just as easily say halo is sexist because the female protagonist (cortana) is carried everywhere by the stronger male (MC). It doesn't make it any more credible.
Of course, the cool thing about fiction is this exact quality. One could almost say that the highly interpretive nature of a work after its creation says a lot on two levels: the audience's perceptions on the matter, and the sophistication of the work.
Put another way, the mere fact that we can have this conversation about Halo suggests that it is deep enough and/or interesting enough to be worthy of such discussion. If Movie Bob really doesn't like Halo, he should probably just not talk about it, heh!
I mean, we don't hear anyone talking about Fracture or Legendary, do we????? Nope, not unless its the sound of repeated gagging noises and groans of money flushed down the toilet....