The Big Picture: Future Assembly
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Well, with Evan Almighty, I saw that as the studio wanted to do a sequel, but either they couldn't get Jim Carrey or they realised that it wouldn't make sense to use the exact same characters. However, Steve Carrel's career was on the rise and he had a bit part in Bruce Almighty, so...Abandon4093 said:
Since Bob said we'll have to wait two weeks for the Avengers movie, I figure this episode was made some time back and he's already seen it, so I'm looking forward for his opinion on it on this week's Escape To The Movies.
In any case, I got my ticket right here, and I won't miss this movie for the world.
In any case, I got my ticket right here, and I won't miss this movie for the world.
I've seen the Avengers.
It was good.
I was under the impression it had already come out in the States, though.
here's my review, in short:
This movie is sort of simultaneously easy and difficult to review.
There's not terribly much I can say about it, but on the other hand, I don't really have to.
Here's the short version:
If you have seen if not all, but at least most, of the movies leading up to this, go see it. But you don't need me telling you that. If you are a fan of these characters, or just comic-book movies in general, you already knew what you wanted to do.
The biggest problem (that's simultaneously it's greatest advantage) is that it's not a stand-alone-movie. If you go in this without seeing the previous movies leading to it (Ironman-movies, Thor, Hulk, Captain America) you are not getting the whole experience. Characters and conflicts have been established in those movies, even if you'd be well versed in Marvel-comic-lore, you'd miss out on a lot.
It was good.
I was under the impression it had already come out in the States, though.
here's my review, in short:
This movie is sort of simultaneously easy and difficult to review.
There's not terribly much I can say about it, but on the other hand, I don't really have to.
Here's the short version:
If you have seen if not all, but at least most, of the movies leading up to this, go see it. But you don't need me telling you that. If you are a fan of these characters, or just comic-book movies in general, you already knew what you wanted to do.
The biggest problem (that's simultaneously it's greatest advantage) is that it's not a stand-alone-movie. If you go in this without seeing the previous movies leading to it (Ironman-movies, Thor, Hulk, Captain America) you are not getting the whole experience. Characters and conflicts have been established in those movies, even if you'd be well versed in Marvel-comic-lore, you'd miss out on a lot.
I couldn't disagree more. The film industry will not be changed the day, the week, or not even the year after Avengers comes out. And he is not talking about every single movie crossing over into a unified universe. But this is something, based on the success of Avengers, that is a new outlet for the industry for producers, writers and directors that wish to utilize it. This is not the first time continuity has been placed into film either. The character Jay and Silent Bob were the unifying character in Kevin Smith's whole line of Jersey movies. It was only 2 movies where they were the main characters out of 6 movies.irishda said:
Also, why do you think that Marvel movies will decline and lower in quality after The Avengers? It doesn't make sense for a studio that has had ever growing success based on good writing, great special effects and solid direction to just stop relying on those same aspects to push the movies forward. To an extent anyway. The upside to this whole thing is it's taken a while to work up to this, and none of the movies leading up were written in a manner that makes them pretty great stand alone movies. This doesn't mean they can go all willy nilly and mess it all up in the future, which they may very well do, but I don't think they will walk away from stuff so easily.
I don't want a flame war, and if that is just your opinion, I can deal with that. I was just curious.
The main reason this will be a success is because you are not watering down the story of The Avengers movie by doing origin stories of the characters. It's the reason why people who read Captain America don't sit and wonder in every story arch how Captain America came to be. It's taken care of. The only downside for this will be, IMO, that when you have big names competing on screen then the movies tend to suffer. And I obviously don't mean the actors. It's gonna be hard to balance the fact that my favorite is the Hulk so I want to see more of him, and my buddies favorite is Iron Man (whom I have hated since the Civil War. BASTARDO!)Lieju said:
Didn't they try doing this with the Transporter but then had people wondering why he didn't do any ass kicking and just delivered the package
Yes, but it requires you at least know about the characters before seeing this.Baresark said:
And it's clearly meant to people who have already seen the other movies, or most of them.
Unless you have, it's like starting to read a book from the halfway onward, or watch just the last act of the movie.
I just want to put forward that perhaps the main opposition to something like this is actors. It would be prohibitively expensive to pay someone like Terrance Howard to pass up on other jobs so that he is available to play a supporting role in Marvel films. Continuity in main-stream, studio blockbusters requires that studios hand out bigger contracts and green light many movies at once. Marvel Studios will have to destroy all there big summer blockbuster competitors, in a manner similar to Pixar for other movie studios to want to follow.
Additionally if the cross-over concept works as well as could be hoped, then characters from one film easily appears in another and there is no explanation necessarily about who they are, but what happens when the same actor appears in an un-related film? outside studios will want to avoid hiring actors who have become recognizable characters to play outside roles and actors know that.
Additionally if the cross-over concept works as well as could be hoped, then characters from one film easily appears in another and there is no explanation necessarily about who they are, but what happens when the same actor appears in an un-related film? outside studios will want to avoid hiring actors who have become recognizable characters to play outside roles and actors know that.
But they've never seized the mainstream, and Avengers probably won't be the ones to do it for Hollywood. Because, as you said, this isn't new, and it's not something that's conducive to a lot of stories.Baresark said:
Because as you say:
This is a package deal. None of the movies are all that well written by themselves, so when you watch them, the only thing keeping you from staying on board is the promise that this is all tying together. Iron Man 1&2 were carried by Robert Downey, just like Hulk was carried by Edward Norton. Thor has a terrible second act with probably the fastest character turn around I've ever seen (seriously, he's there for like a day). And Captain America has an equally shitty second act with a bunch of slapdash action sequences that are only tied together because it's Captain America punching people. Pacing must've gotten blown up during that first rescue mission.
When the Avengers is over, people are gonna be back to those subpar filler movies that only served to remind them that this movie was coming, except now there's no pay-off.
Actually the Avenger's come out tomorow in my country, pretty sweet considering we usually get everything a week or two after everybody else.
Not that Im devoutly religious and believe it should all be pure and untouched by the way bob is saying, but I dont think taking a movie like The Ten Commandments and then referencing a movie like Indiana Jones would owrk well. They're two completely different genres where doing something like that would seem to me at least like a spit in the face of the former. Plus IJ was never really a focus on the object itself but rather the adventure to get there.
I mean, ones fantasy action movies and the other is... well, I guess depending who you talk to its also fantasy but manny others consider it to be a documentary (and this isnt just the Christians mind you, but also the Jewish and if anyone still holds on to the Egyptian godS belief them too.
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now, where I could see this wokring well in an application to a series im interested in is if Hollywood actually DID make a decent Dark Tower series like LotR got where it spreads out over several films, and then link them to Stephen Kings other films that have been made, like the books did to other books. They did it especially int he Mist (the very beginning with the painting), and it would give a good oppotunity to link it to both IT and Salem's lot (either the movie or the mini series), just to name a few.
I mean, ones fantasy action movies and the other is... well, I guess depending who you talk to its also fantasy but manny others consider it to be a documentary (and this isnt just the Christians mind you, but also the Jewish and if anyone still holds on to the Egyptian godS belief them too.
EDIT:
now, where I could see this wokring well in an application to a series im interested in is if Hollywood actually DID make a decent Dark Tower series like LotR got where it spreads out over several films, and then link them to Stephen Kings other films that have been made, like the books did to other books. They did it especially int he Mist (the very beginning with the painting), and it would give a good oppotunity to link it to both IT and Salem's lot (either the movie or the mini series), just to name a few.
I've just got back from a midnight showing in Perth Western Australia, IT.IS.BRILLIANCE!
It moves quickly but contains a lot so never gets bogged down, the hulk steals the 3rd act, Tom Hiddleston is even better as Loki, Cap is cap, Stark is his usual quipping self. The fight scenes are well shot with no shaky cam.
My head is still spinning with it all already got my next set of tickets for tomorrow night with friends. I simply can't wait!
It moves quickly but contains a lot so never gets bogged down, the hulk steals the 3rd act, Tom Hiddleston is even better as Loki, Cap is cap, Stark is his usual quipping self. The fight scenes are well shot with no shaky cam.
My head is still spinning with it all already got my next set of tickets for tomorrow night with friends. I simply can't wait!
Exactly my thoughts. The Prince of Egypt is the only retelling of that story the world will need for quite a long time.Plinglebob said:
That said, I do kind of hope they end up reusing the Ark prop from Raiders, just because that would be a fun little nod. Filmmakers have been doing that sort of thing for ages. I'd probably be more surprised if they didn't.
...That actually sounds interesting. Maybe we could use more crossovers in movies... as long as they make sense, mind you...