The Big Picture: Groan Saga

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The reveal of Osbourne was a nice idea but his current role as the leader of the Evil Avengers just shows how ultimately Marvel can't come up with a new nemesis and wouldn't dare shake things up without restoring the status quo soon after, which is why I don't really follow it much anymore.

Give me one week, a few friends and all the resources of Marvel and I could make it into something actually good.
 

AshDesert

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I can't stand most mainstream comics that go on forever and ever. Give me Sandman or Preacher or any of the myriad great graphic novels out there, the ones that have a story to tell through the medium of comic books and actually end. Also, the people saying Manga knows when to end, while they are slightly better than Western comics, there are still several series that drag on forever (One Piece, Bleach, I'm looking at you).
 

ComicsAreWeird

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Ah, the 90´s! Clone Saga was bad. Only way to make it worse would be hiring Rob Liefeld to do the art...yeesh!
 

Frankfurter4444

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I seem to remember all this occurring at the same time they decided to do the Marvel Vs. DC crossover. While it was already lame enough that they had Marvel's consistent icon Spider-Man fighting some lame third-tier hero in Super-Boy, they wrote this at the time where it wasn't even the real Peter Parker fighting him.
 

Joshica Huracane

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loving the comics are weird eps, despite not having a problem with the insanity of certain sagas (i,e, the clone saga).
 

walsfeo

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You learn something strange every day. Nice episode - I once again find myself looking forward to what you share with us next.
 

FireDr@gon

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Seriously, I dont know WHO has been saying they like the "-INSERT MEDIA HERE - is weeeeiiirrrd" thing, but it annoys the hell out of me. You talk about giving people what they want so for the love of GOD, stop it.
 

WorldCritic

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Ugh, after watching this video I went and read the clone saga summary on wikipedia and holy crap it was even more convoluted than I thought.
 

GiantRaven

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I'm really in two minds about these 'comics are weird' episodes. On the one hand, they are particularly funny, highlighting the many pitfalls that should be avoided in creating American comics. On the other, they give the impression (as I can see from a multitude of these comments) that all American comics are like this (convoluted never-ending messes of extreme continuity) when it simply isn't true. I wager there is a comic out there for everybody, they just aren't hearing about it through all of this crap that deters people from being interested.

It would be nice to see an episode showing some of the better works in comics, perhaps some creator-owned stuff that is continuity-free and easy to get into. But I guess that wouldn't bring in the required amount of humour...

Also, there were plenty of 90s comics that didn't suck.
 

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Another way they could have avoided the whole OMD\BND was have the Spidey in Civil War turn out to be a skrull, leading into Secret Invasion. Would have totally prevented it and cleared Peter; seeing as how skrull can dupilcate powers.
 

MB202

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I have another idea for a "COMICS ARE WEIRD" video, talk about why people like Venom so much.

...Or rather, talk about why YOU THINK people like Venom so much, because I doubt you'll give an honest and fair view on the matter.

Either way, it would be an interesting episode, especially when you bring up Spider-Man 3 and how it wasn't JUST the inclusion of Venom that made it bad... Or rather, disappointing.
 

BmoreAkuma

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Im sorry but I have to agree about how crappy the 90s were

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ_xaTbMYUM

This song actually was popular in the mid 90s. I shit you not.
 

Ithos

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Bob doing the comics are wierd thingie is fun, but this stuff feels better when presented by Linkara from ATFW.

Stick to the bigger big picture, Bob. You're good at that :)
 

crypto_jones

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head desk tricycle said:
it wouldn't be the first girl Spider-Man broke up with who was aware of his secret identity.
Hmmm, I don't remember this happening... ( Felicia Hardy hardly counts as a girlfriend and Betty Brant never knew for sure...) Can you refresh my memory?
 

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The whole storyline made and broke comics for me. I entered the clone saga about halfway in. It was amazing, an epic upheaval in Spider Man's life, and I honestly preferred the grungy, directionless bum that was Ben Rielly. Even spent countless allowances hunting down the older 1970's tie ins to get a better sense of what was going on.

Then a really crappy finale, Ben Died and was retconned into a clone on the very last efing page, and within the span of a few short issues it was as if none of it ever happened. It destroyed any belief I had in the creative abilities of mainstream comic artists, just felt like a cheap sitcom that went too long.

Never bought a comic again.
 

Taellosse

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I actually rather enjoyed parts of the Clone Saga when I was following comics. The part that is actually legitimately known as "Maximum Clonage" was deeply stupid, but much of what came before that was pretty good. Though the back and forth of which one was the real Peter got a little tiresome. I actually checked out of comics with the Onslaught absurdity a year or two later, while Ben was still Spider-Man (though they were already working on bringing Peter back on board by that point). I bought the graphic novel detailing Peter's full-time resumption of the red-and-blues so I'd get some resolution. I'm still on the fence about the wisdom of resurrecting Norman Osborn, though.

And I've never understood why the Marvel Editorial staff has so much of a problem with Mary Jane being Peter's wife, and why, if it is such an issue, they couldn't just get divorced like any other normal couple. That's the whole POINT of Spider-Man being Peter Parker under the mask--he's a superhero, but he's still got a normal human life to navigate as well. Seems to me, with the divorce rate at around 50%, that's a plot point a lot of people could relate to if they'd done it.
 

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I actually enjoyed the clone saga, Mark Bagley's art was fantastic as always, and with the exception of Spidercide, it was a fun read. Spidey's new outfit was much better than his old one (both the hoodie version and the one with the web-bombs shooting bracer), the Scarlet Spider was a breath of fresh air over the 'woe is me and my life' emo that was Peter Parker.

Also, for the one who asked, Ben Reilly dyed his hair blond, to look different from the real/fake Peter Parker.
 

FlayD

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I enjoy the comic episodes, but I'd prefer if they didn't become the main focus of the show.