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Falcon123 said:
Oh, and is anyone really that excited for Soul Calibur V? I loved the second one, but the fourth one felt like a weak retread and the fifth one looks even worse to me.
yes.
IV wasnt great.
V looks much better!

id love to debate specific points about the game, but i dont think this is the place.

Father Time said:
Anyway I should point out that I love Soul Calibur, it's one of my favorite fighting franchises (not for the women but for the gameplay).
i wish more people would see this view. its a great game, i dont see why everything is reduced to what it looks like.

Also, dont forget that this game has had robust character creation for its last two games, and confirmed in the next.
You dont have to pay attention to these characters, even whilst playing it.

personally, Natsu's voice, ugly costume and terrible hair could mean that i would never use what appears an incredibly fun style to use... Character creation means that i will.

...also:

...its not to the same scale, but its not localised to the females in this series.
 

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I think it's because of insecurity people take offense when a video game doesn't get a 10 out of 10. They think they need the reviews to justify to everyone else that they just got is a good game.
 

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y is gear of war so popular and highly rated? i give it 7.5 coz cover shooting is good when you use stealth and tactics and this doesnt which makes it bland and repetative but fun enough to pick up from the bargain bin and waste some time on.
 

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I think Movie Bob has a bit of tunnel vision. He uses terms like "people keep" and "gamers keep", but he's recounting personal experiences and presenting them as widespread epidemics. I'd be curious to know who exactly these people he's referring to are, because it sort of sounds like he's attributing the characteristics of some forum he visits to society as a whole.
 

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It's not even just "lowering the standards", or "tolerating them". If you live close to young kids, you might notice, that in certain situations, you would genuinely rather spend some time with them, than with "deep and intellectual" adults, because that "cute, innocent, and simple" attitude is a value on it's own right.

As long as you are thinking from the standpoint that people would only ever watch shows for their twists, and intellectual content, I guess you won't even understand what bronies are talking about. "I'm watching it because it's so charmingly innocent" just sounds to you like a synonym of "I'm watching it because it's so charmingly dumb", if you ignore all the positive associations of the word, so that sounds like "watching it ironically".

It's a bit like the assumption that some people have, that just because history films, or Hard Sci-Fi, are expected to be "realistic", realism is ALWAYS a goal, every unrealistic element in every story is a failure to be realistic, therefore fantastic stories are inherently failed works. (while in fact, they aren't even trying, but they function on entirely different values of quality, than others.)
I think you're misunderstanding (related: don't put words in my mouth - or, rather, in my post). I don't recall ever saying it was dumb, or that standards were lowered, or similarly insulting things. I said it was not intellectually stimulating, and you apparently agree with me: it's cute, innocent, and simple. That doesn't make it dumb. It just makes it what it is: uncomplicated. Easy. Shallow, if you want to give what I'm saying a more negative connotation (which it seems that you do, so I may as well make it easier for you and get that out of the way).

I'm not saying a show about magical ponies should be on par with philosophical texts addressing questions of existence. I'm saying the show bored me because I saw literally nothing new, surprising, or even interesting in it. It was the same story I've seen in I don't know how many kids' cartoons before; it just happened to feature ponies for characters. Oh, and some of them had wings.

Sidenotes:

1 - "Bronies?" Really? It's like you're trying to make it hard to take you seriously.

2 - I don't recall having heard "I'm watching it because it's so charmingly innocent" as a reason any of the folks I talk to on a regular basis watch the show. They just say they like it/it's a good show, which is what puzzles me.
 

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I don't get the whole Sex Calibur "controversy." I don't care that I can play as women who dress like dominatrices, Japanese prostitutes, or angry mall rats. My lady friends who play Soul Calibur don't care about the shirtless Elvis/Bruce Lee, scarred samurai, or beefy barbarians. We both play because "Luk I has weaponz!"

And as far as Twilight goes, best marketing ploy evar. There's a Scene It:Twilight that only covers the first movie. How much fraking trivia can you get from only one 2-hour movie?!
 

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Father Time said:
No I just think people should be treated equally and I don't think unfairness is justified with "well it makes up for unfair shit you weren't a part of".

If I said "Yeah, some men probably take advantage of their gender to get unfair treatment and that's not fair, but you're going to have to get the hell over it." What would you think of me?
I'd say that you were missing the point and those two statements are not equivalent at all and I'd think that you're the kind of person who ignores facts.

Eternal_Lament said:
Look, I actually did read your whole post, but I'm really regretting picking this fight at this point. I'm not saying that the women who go on about the "rape culture" and say that all men are secretly rapists are correct. I don't buy into that either. All I'm saying is that it's not too much to ask for men to conduct themselves socially in a sensitive manner towards women, acknowledging that they have a very real historical reason to be wary of threats to their rights and well-being. If you already treat everyone equally you're most of the way there already and are probably not doing anything to set back equality at all. But it's also important to avoid the subtler types of discrimination that are hard to see if you're not a member of the minority group. If you really don't believe those subtler types of discrimination exist, I seriously doubt there's anything I can say that will convince you. I'm really not going to make the effort of hunting down a bunch of statistics to win this argument.
 

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Noelveiga said:
Your responses are so much more eloquent and witty than mine. I feel like I'm never able to keep my frustration or anger from totally tanking my ability to defend something in a convincing way.

Father Time said:
omegawyrm said:
Father Time said:
No I just think people should be treated equally and I don't think unfairness is justified with "well it makes up for unfair shit you weren't a part of".

If I said "Yeah, some men probably take advantage of their gender to get unfair treatment and that's not fair, but you're going to have to get the hell over it." What would you think of me?
I'd say that you were missing the point and those two statements are not equivalent at all and I'd think that you're the kind of person who ignores facts.
Let me guess it's not as bad to be unfair towards men because they have privilege or something.

Or perhaps we have a different definition of unfair.
Yes! That's exactly what I'm saying! The little bits of unfairness you might be asked to tolerate in your daily life are not a big deal!
 

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Noelveiga said:
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But that's not what feminists want.
You're not talking about feminists. You're talking about normal people
No, I am not. Again, you wanting it doesn't make it true. You appropriating the word doesn't make it yours. You can define "feminist" as "some uppity ***** who wants to oppress men" and "normal people" as "somebody who wants equal treatment for everybody", but for better or for worse, that's not how that works. You're redefining the words there, either by mistake or maliciously. That's why we disagree.

And prejudice not being societal is just... either wishful thinking or self delusion, really.
If I stand on a street corner with a sign that says "White Power" or "Go back to the kitchen, women", society will condemn me. Prejudice may still exist, but it exists as fragments in individuals and fringe groups, not as the unified will of the people it once was
Then again, that's not the only form of discrimination. By that standard there aren't any bad people left in the planet just because the act of twirling moustaches is out of fashion.

Telling jokes about women and kitchens might be less frequent than it once was (although it's still out there), but passing women on for jobs they can do is frequent, societally having less women in positions of power despite having them show better academic performance than men is a thing, sexual abuse exists, domestic abuse exists, double standards in many areas persist... Equal treatment doesn't stop in allowing women to vote.

That's the core of the issue, I just can't accept your presumptions. They're wrong. They're self-serving and irresponsible.
lolwut
Women aren't treated equally in many ways. Neither are racial minorities or homosexuals.
Once again, in fragmented instances. Also, there are ways in which men are treated worse than women.
Bullshit. There are ways in which self-entitled men who won't take ownership of the faults of their priviledged treatment will see any help to women as a personal attack. I have never, ever, been treated worse than a woman for being a man, with the sole exception of once being denied a room in a shared apartment during college because the conservative parent of one of the girls sharing it wouldn't have a man living there with his daughter. And I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as sexism.

Also, I'm not sure you're in a position to give permission to other societal groups to complain or not. Parsing your "theys", you're a white heterosexual male. So am I, for the record. We have been the one single unoppressed group in the western world for the last 200 years. If you're upper class, make that 400, and if you descend from nobility, that's about 2000. I'd say we should think fucking hard before we tell racial minorities, women or other groups that their four decades of fighting for equality have expired and they should shut up and go back to work.

Please don't use this argument. Its totally invalid. White heterosexual men of today are not responsible for injustices committed by white heterosexual men in the past. Even though it seems to be a universal assumption
Ah, the rub. Lying therein.

You are not personally to blame for hundreds of years of discrimination. You, however, benefit from them every day. You've had it easier to go to school, get a job (but I get the feeling you still are in the "going to school" part?), get a promotion, not be assumed to have sucked any dicks to get said promotion, statistically have a higher chance of better treatment in the family unit, avoid unpleasant situations and hostile treatment from a number of sources and many, many, MANY other little advantages you obviously don't acknowledge.

I know because I get them. And I've seen others not get them in front of me.

Quoting Louie C.K., if being a white man was an option I'd re-up every year [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY]. Is it your fault? Nope. Did you ask for it? Nope. Have you had it easier because of it? Shit, yeah. You might find it unfair to have your achievements diminished by it, but you don't get to stand here and claim that discrimination is magically over because Hillary Clinton and Obama exist so you want all that money that went into equality policies back.
 

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i think his point about the twilight hunks runs something like this - the following picture is A-ok by male gamers.
Samus in a sexy pose [http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revolution/image/article/710/710157/super-smash-bros-brawl-20060525021806451-000.jpg]

but if we switch it around...

master Chief in a sexy Pose [http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=master+chief+zero+suit#/d30tm0o]

the picture is now an eye burning affront their physically hurt to have seen.

The point is, whats good for the goose, is good for the gander. if guys get scantily clad girls to ogle in their entertainment, so should the girls get scantilly clad males, and you don't get the right to be offended by bare chested hunks.
 

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Noelveiga said:
internetzealot1 said:
But that's not what feminists want.
You're not talking about feminists. You're talking about normal people
No, I am not. Again, you wanting it doesn't make it true. You appropriating the word doesn't make it yours. You can define "feminist" as "some uppity ***** who wants to oppress men" and "normal people" as "somebody who wants equal treatment for everybody", but for better or for worse, that's not how that works. You're redefining the words there, either by mistake or maliciously. That's why we disagree.
So by your logic, most people today are regularly exhibiting unacceptable levels prejudice? Something tells me that's an egregious overstatement.

Also, let me stress again that I'm not the ones redefining the words. They're being redefined by their change in usage.


And prejudice not being societal is just... either wishful thinking or self delusion, really.
If I stand on a street corner with a sign that says "White Power" or "Go back to the kitchen, women", society will condemn me. Prejudice may still exist, but it exists as fragments in individuals and fringe groups, not as the unified will of the people it once was
Then again, that's not the only form of discrimination. By that standard there aren't any bad people left in the planet just because the act of twirling moustaches is out of fashion.
The point was not that a lack of people openly acting discriminatory is indicative of a lack of prejudice, but that prejudice, when it can be identified, is almost universally scorned. Also, contrary to popular belief, there is no empirical evidence supporting the claim that mustache-twirling is a sign of being "bad."

Telling jokes about women and kitchens might be less frequent than it once was (although it's still out there), but passing women on for jobs they can do is frequent,
I doubt that very much evidence can be supplied to justify the assumption that women being withheld jobs exclusively on the basis of gender is common. The likeliness that this assumption is true is further reduced by the fact that there are laws in place to prevent it (the difficulty in enforcing these laws works in their favor. Any woman who is denied a job can make the claim that it was on the basis of gender, and even with little evidence it is still possible for her to win in court).
societally having less women in positions of power despite having them show better academic performance than men is a thing,
Academic performance is not the only factor in success.

sexual abuse exists, domestic abuse exists, double standards in many areas persist...
On both sides, all of those. And are you assuming that sexual and domestic abuse are only committed by men? I have no doubt that most reported cases are, but, and let me be real for a second, how many men are going to call the cops when their wife starts hitting them.
Equal treatment doesn't stop in allowing women to vote.
No. It stops when society as a whole agrees that women deserve to be treated equally. And society does

That's the core of the issue, I just can't accept your presumptions. They're wrong. They're self-serving and irresponsible.
lolwut
Women aren't treated equally in many ways. Neither are racial minorities or homosexuals.
Once again, in fragmented instances. Also, there are ways in which men are treated worse than women.
Bullshit.
Men pay higher rates for car insurance
Women have an easier time getting into college, due to the numerous scholarships available exclusively for women
Its a societal agreement that men must pay for a woman's food if they are dating
Its a societal agreement that men cannot hit women, although men hitting women is generally tolerated (this relates to your claim about abuse earlier)

The first two assertions are fact. You can dispute the other two, but if you choose to do so this will quickly into a "No its not" type of argument
Also, I'm not sure you're in a position to give permission to other societal groups to complain or not. Parsing your "theys", you're a white heterosexual male. So am I, for the record. We have been the one single unoppressed group in the western world for the last 200 years. If you're upper class, make that 400, and if you descend from nobility, that's about 2000. I'd say we should think fucking hard before we tell racial minorities, women or other groups that their four decades of fighting for equality have expired and they should shut up and go back to work.

Please don't use this argument. Its totally invalid. White heterosexual men of today are not responsible for injustices committed by white heterosexual men in the past. Even though it seems to be a universal assumption
Ah, the rub. Lying therein.

You are not personally to blame for hundreds of years of discrimination. You, however, benefit from them every day.
I am also harmed by discrimination every day, as stated above
You've had it easier to go to school,
Untrue, see above
get a job...get a promotion,
Though perhaps statistically true, there is nothing to support, or reason to support that women's genders being detrimental to their careers is widespread
(but I get the feeling you still are in the "going to school" part?)
OH GOD A PERSONAL ATTACK MY POINTS ARE INVALID.
not be assumed to have sucked any dicks to get said promotion,
You cannot expect me to believe that this is one of the world's great societal issues
statistically have a higher chance of better treatment in the family unit,
...Define "better." And then tell me how recent these statistics are. And then provide me with a source, because that claim seems vague and based on data that could easily be skewed.
avoid unpleasant situations and hostile treatment from a number of sources and many,
That's too vague to warrant a response.
many, MANY other little advantages you obviously don't acknowledge.
As there are disadvantages which you have failed to acknowledge

I know because I get them. And I've seen others not get them in front of me.
Lucky you. I can't think of anything that would give me the right to say the same.

Have you had it easier because of it? Shit, yeah.
...perhaps in some regards. As I have had it more difficult in some regards (though both are negligible).
You might find it unfair to have your achievements diminished by it,
Is that what this is about? My achievements don't count because I'm white. I don't think that way. Do YOU think that way?
but you don't get to stand here and claim that discrimination is magically over because Hillary Clinton and Obama exist so you want all that money that went into equality policies back.
This is not about taxpayer money being spent on equality problems (though at this point its as much of a waste as the Selective Service).
 

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Noelveiga said:
internetzealot1 said:
Noelveiga said:
Um... what? Sexism against men does exist. Since you need evidence to a level I will give you my own personal experiences. When I worked as a Lab tech for a botanist, she was paying me 8 dollars an hour. Not too bad, but pretty low for lab work. I then talked to my three coworkers (Who were female) and were hired around the same time that I was, and they were being paid 13 dollars an hour. The professor was female mind you. So, I asked her why my pay was so low.

Her response: " Well, it's just that women can process the equations, and processes easier than men can. Women are more efficient doing the scientific process to what we're doing. I'll be having them analyzing the data, and looking for results. While men are good for...well... manual labor. You'll be prepping our materials and carrying them from the truck to the field. You have wide shoulders, your arms seem detailed and developed enough for heavy lifting and you have a strong back. So....that's why you're paid a tiny bit less."

How is that not sexist? I was paid less because of my gender and body size. Despite that my GPA at the time was 3.5 while their GPA's were from 2.40-2.90. Not convincing enough? Here's another one.

When I was arguing with a friend who was spreading inappropriate rumors about me on campus (She was in fact having fun with it), and how a situation had nothing to do with her and asking if she may please stay out of it, someone who worked security detail came over. Which is fine, it's a public argument. Problem being, this person came over, she looked at her and asked "Are you okay? Is he bothering you? Threatening you?" Granted, I'm 6'1 and broad of a guy, however I wasn't scowling or yelling.

I asked her "Um...what about me? What if I were in distress?" She turns to me and says "You? You're a big enough -guy- that you can take care of yourself? She's defenseless. Why are you picking on her?"

Not sexist enough? Here's another one.

I was attacked by a homeless woman who was yelling and I asked her if she was alright. Instead of responding in coherence, she threw a beer bottle at me and it rolled off my shoulder on contact. She came towards me, I reacted by giving her a solid strike to the gut and knocking the wind out of her and ending the conflict. When I called the police and waited at the area. Almost immediately did they suggest I put my hands up and step away from her.

They walked towards her and helped her up and began accusing my of beating on a woman randomly. Until a lady who came across and helped clear up the situation, they were dead set on arresting me. I asked why did they think I would lie, they suggested "Well... some guys think they're big because they can knock out a little woman. It's not the other way around."

Not enough? Here's my last example.

I was told directly by a manager at a video store that I was not hired for the job because "You don't have breasts." She was dead serious. That women can show off a little cleavage at the job, suggest to men to buy more than they want while they are distracted by their breasts.

No sexism against men you say?
 

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Well for starters, the issue with the gay romances talked about in "The Old Republic Online" are not just a matter of saying that gay people exist, but to actively portray relationships between them, with the player put into the role of one of the participants in that relationship. Even if you do not pursue it, you doubtlessly, in true Bioware fashion, have to deal with the homosexual interest pining after your character constantly to give you the option to pursue it if you choose to pick it up at a later time.

Like it or not, there IS a differance in degree. What's more, like it or not, homosexuals of either flavor are a pretty tiny minority of people, demanding representation in everything given the actual numbers or claiming "neglect of this huge group" isn't paticularly fair or accurate.

My overall attitudes about homosexuality aside (I'm sure there are some messages archived far back in the forums if your paticularly interested), one has to understand that Star Wars has been increasingly directed at children. Jar Jar Binks, The Ewoks, various Cartoons, there is no way around that, Star Wars fans constantly complain about it. We're not talking young teens, but pre-sexual children which is something else entirely.

Unless Bioware actually intends to hire a group of people to engage in draconian enforcement of the game's ratings by hunting down and banning kids based on age, then I don't think this is a good idea. A "T" rating means nothing if the rating isn't going to be enforced, and overall I don't think I've ever seen an MMO enforce ratings before as even ones with an "M" rating have plenty of people opently claiming to be below the allowed age, as well as massive changes on the active server populations cooresponding to the US school schedule. Arguably this kind of neglect is exactly why we had cases about ratings and how seriously they are taken brought before The Supreme Court.

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As far as Feminism goes, it's a political movement that has long since outlived it's usefulness, it's largely based around power in trying to keep people organized into voting blocks by keeping long dead issues alive. Just like racial battles, this one is long over, it's about fitting into society and taking advantage of the oppertunities presented. With feminists it's now gone from "we should have the right to vote, own property, and hold jobs" to things like "well, special rules should be made so employers can't take actual gender differances into account". This involving things like lowering the physical entrance requirements into jobs, ignoring pregnancies officially while making special allowances for them, and other assorted things. Right now women are not prevented from doing jobs assuming they meet the requirements, some women do, but the ones that don't oftentimes use feminism as a rallying cry to say that men have loaded the deck when really, the requirements exist for a reason. Police Officers for example have to run so fast, jump so high, and be able to lift/carry so much for very good reasons, cops have a hard time with those requirements, and lowering them for women just means more less effective cops on the force. A female officer that can't defend herself, chase a suspect, or help carry/handle a bound suspect safely is
a liability, if she CAN do those things it's not a problem, but when you lower the standards you hurt everyone. That's just one example I bring up because it's been a paticular battleground due to the authority of the police, and one that continues despite there being plenty of women in Law Enforcement (some of which honestly don't belong there, having benefitted from lowered requirements, but that's another story). The point here is that Feminism (the pursuit of empowerment and increased dominance of women in society) is by no means a positive thing. People who complain about it,typically have their reasons. Where once Feminism was a good thing, that time is past, and as time goes on the undeniable benefits and victories of that movement become further in the past, most of what feminists are accomplishing or pushing for are increasingly dubious... while there are exceptions to every rule, the negative perception has not come about for no reason.


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When it comes to the point about physical ideals in video games and other fantasy media, you (Moviebob) do make a fair point here at least, and one I've pointed out myself.

A point to consider here though is that this kind of advertising has existed in the mainstream for a long period of time. I mean, there are plenty of romances, dramas, chick flicks and other things that have featured sexed up portrayals of the male lead. Guys like Richard Gere, Tom Cruise, and others have made a career out of it. This is to say nothing of that old ad with that "Lucky" guy drinking a Diet Pepsi (I think that was his stage name), I beleive he even wound up in bit parts on shows like "Wings" that were popular at the time because he had become such a male sex icon.

The problem isn't that we have these beefy guys in posters it's that bugging people, it's that it's tacky and attached to a third or fourth rate product that has someone managed to catapult into a major success by being in the right place at the right time.

People knocking Twilight is more a reflection of the franchise, than the style of promotion, which is why this is getting attention where other ad campaigns haven't. It's sort of like how even guys will inflict some major "lulz" on the sex symbols attached to crappy products. The differance between say Lara Croft and any one of a jillion other sexy female protaganists, many of which were made fun of, is that Lara was from a series of games that was pretty bloody good originally, and manages to hold on just enough to earn a lot of second chances. The same can be said of say "Soul Calibur" or "Dead Or Alive" and their female cast (and let's be honest, those games provide plenty of male cheesecake as well, with lots of beefy men walking around in outlandish outfits or bare chested... men have got Cammy and Chun Li, Lei Fang and Helena, women have Ken and Vega, Bayman and Ryu, and others. It's just we don't bother think about guys like Guile walking around with biceps bigger than their head since people pay more attention to the female models, without really looking at the full picture and how certain other characters seem to be being received).

The point here is that Twilight is not getting crap for using Cheesecake in it's avertising, or that men are not used to guys being presented sexually for the benefit of women, we see it all the time, so much that we're blind to it. The problem with Twilight is that it's really bad cheesecake, attached to a crap product, that people can't get away from. It's like the equivilent of the video game "Cat Fight"... which was another all female fighter (for the PC) that went nowhere, because despite all pretensions hot female characters can't carry a game that isn't good to begin with (they can just extend a franchise). "Twilight" and it's marketing is like if somehow that game had become a smash sensation due to timing instead, and was omni-present, and you couldn't get away from it.

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As far as the whole "My Little Pony" thing goes, your probably right. Sadly I doubt they will take the banned "Strawberry Shortcake" and more recent "Rainbow Bright" ideas from Penny Arcade as actual pitches for televised relaunches. :)
 

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I don't make fun of the Twilight actors because they constantly take off their shirts. I make fun of them because they are bad actors.
 

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crazeekamikazee said:
I feel that feminism cheapens equality and spits in the face of men who stand up for and believe in feminism. At first it was a noble and much needed movement, but it's turned in to "how many double standards can we make acceptable in sociality and rights we can take away from men.".

Feminist are so fucking cowardly, they don't say shit about religious oppression, if it offends Islam then they leave it. they'd rather pick faults with movies and video games, than do something that could actual help someone.

If a mother and father was to split up, the father has lot less rights when it comes to whether he sees his own kids. No one seems to care, it's sickening.

If a man was being abused by a women in the street, everyone thinks "he had it coming" or "stop being pathetic".
If a women was being abused by a men in the street, everyone thinks "what fucking scum" and may proceed to intervene.
Case and point --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKgwczruOSQ&feature=related
atrocities can be done against men but not women. Could you imagine if a man was to cut off a women's clitoris and tits, would that convocation be the same?

There is no reason for male circumcision to be legal but female is completely out of bounds.

Stop treating those who have a problem with feminism as people to be disregard because of some assumption that they don't know the history. The good of yesterday doesn't justify the bad of today.
Agreed, my main problem with Bob and other bleeding hearts isn't their positions; they're entitled to their opinions. It's the fact that they condescend to everyone who disagrees with them by treating them as a bunch of irrational and historically ignorant morons. If anything, their refusal to see the other side of the argument is evidence of their own irrationality.

The civil rights movement was just that: a movement for CIVIL RIGHTS, i.e. rights given to people by the government. When those rights were given the movement was over. What we have now is a movement to change cultural values, which is very different. Most feminist or racial movements that exist today work by using social pressures; e.g. they threaten to boycott something they don't like. Forgive me for being cynical, but I think most of them are basically in it to sell books by appealing to people's hatred or feelings of injustice. They're doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing.

Look at the NAACP's attacks on the confederate flag. It's a flag and this is America, so people can fly it if they want. Furthermore it's a part of American history. People's ancestors fought and died for it (and 90% of them were poor people who didn't own slaves), attacking it is an act of cultural warfare, plain and simple. It sells books by worsening race relations. The south didn't just lose the war, it was economically decimated and never recovered. The only people that you can get away with making fun of these days are southerners. Everyone constantly makes fun of them for being uneducated and poor, as if they chose to be that way. It's easy to make fun of someone for being uneducated once you've burnt down their schools. It's kind of like Himler making fun of the Jews in his camps for being anorexic.