Noelveiga said:
internetzealot1 said:
Dude, you punched a hobo lady? That's harsh.
Yes. Yes it is. However, I don't like being attacked. Namely by people throwing an object at me. One that could have seriously injured me. And honestly, that was me -not- being sexist or looking down on women. If you are a woman and you a brave enough to attack someone with a weapon, you a brave enough to receive retaliation. I take no glee in the fact that I had to hit someone in a situation like that.
However, I have a right to defend myself against anyone, age, sex, and race disregarded.
Anyway, your examples are terrible, exception made of getting paid less based on prejudice, which is pretty lame. I don't really think there's sexism involved in people assuming the big guy is posing the physical threat to the two women (one of which had been punched in the gut by the guy, mind you)
How is that not sexist? They assumed I was in the wrong because I was a man. And yes, I did hit her. It was a quick and easy way to end a conflict without stretching it out and risking anyone being seriously hurt. What if she had a knife and I were going to try and restrain her? I could have been maimed or killed for the sake of stupid Draconian honor system that never really existed.
Again, if I did anything else, I could have been hurt/killed and she could have gotten a worse punishment than being put in jail for a time. Like her going to prison. If anything, the opposite decision is underestimating the opposite sex just because---*GASP*---It's a woman! That would have been sexist. A punch to the stomach only bugs you for about an hour. A stab to the chest is either months of pain or seconds of it depending on the outcome.
and your video store example is actually pretty sexist... towards women. The fact that you just happened to not be hired for the job doesn't make the reasoning behind it less demeaning to the girls being hired to show some cleavage. I'd say that last one is just screwed up... but it's a pretty darn huge stretch to extrapolate some form of discrimination against men out of it.
Yeah, it was sexist towards women. And men too. If a woman came to a job and asked to be hired and she was basically told "No, because you're not a man" it'd be sexist. But because I'm a man, it's not sexist. Wow. Nice double standard you got there. That's one point for equality there.
For the record, you're also amazingly unlucky, apparently. Let me scour my own memories to find similar examples.
Let's see... never punched hobo ladies, so no luck there... There's that one time the scared conservative dad wouldn't let me share a flat with his daughter lest I impregnate her by sharing a kitchen... aaaaand... coming up empty here...
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Nope, nothing.
Not even in friends of mine. Or friends of friends. I think one of them once got turned down for a lingerie store job he had applied to half jokingly. But no, nothing else.
Different experiences for people who live in different areas, cultures, and lives. I've never went out on a date with a fashion model, but I wouldn't try to discredit someone because I never have. That was pretty rude of you.
If that doesn't come through, what I'm saying here is "don't extrapolate anecdotal experience". And also "you're reading your own opinions on the subject in unrelated situations". Which, to be fair, might be how you get cops and security so keen on arresting you every now and then.
Now it's my turn to be rude back. Those were two situations, jerk. You make it sound as if it's common and turn the experience back at me as a weapon in an attempt to discredit. Which is a tactic worthy of a politician. It's clear your goal is not to listen or educate. Or even bring a different opinion or point of view but rather to shut down any opinion that is not lined with yours. That's regrettably narrow minded. :/
In both my examples, I was not aggressive.
Also, come to think of it, genuine question, how the hell did you attract security by "asking her to stay out of it without scowling or yelling"? Bad vibes?
Mainly because she was yelling at me. After I asked her to calm down several times. I don't mean to sound like "That guy" but I'll risk it anyways. I've heard tones like yours before. If you are female (Strong probability here) you lean more towards the opinion that women are inherently weaker than men in every way possible and need to either be defended at all times by other women or a knight in shining armor.
An outlook like that has got to be the most discrediting of all -to- women. You're making a mistake that Movie Bob is constantly making without meaning to. Coming to the defense of something that point frankly doesn't even need defending. Or asked for it for that matter. I've heard of no major african american movements against Deus Ex's character. You know why?
Because there are african americans who talk that way. So, how can something be racist when the race itself projects it self in a similar way. Furthermore, how can something be sexist when it shows no actual insult towards women in general? Seriously, how is this a sexist portrayal of how women are nothing more than sex objects.
When there's this:
And how can people say that this character is an inaccurate portrayal of how some african american's speak or carry themselves:
When you've got this?
I swear, it's like screaming "FIRE!" when there isn't one.
I'd really -really- love Movie Bob to respond to anything that I've put down in this thread.