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I wonder what his opinions on murderers are.
Also, this is probably the most blantent attempt at trolling I think Bob has tried.
But meh. I think VIck has done his time. People need to keep personal and sports life separate. Pretty much every Oakland Raiders and I would say half the Baltimore Ravens are criminals and shouldnt be allowed to be anywhere near a football, but they still play. And I'm sure if Tom brady had done something like this, it would get whitewashed while he continued goi- wait... no, I dont need to revisit that argument. Not the time or place.
Point being, he served his time. Yes, he did something deplorable, and yes, animal lovers or people who view this as bad (which it is, though I think there's a level) would say he should have been punished much harder. Appearantly this was on the same level as what OJ did from the amount of vile he's getting. Let him be on the cover of something that no one really cares about unless you're American (and lets face it, you could throw OJ strangling a dog while Vick rains money down and Favre standing naked in the background sexting pics of the whole thing and it would still sell (though it would be much more shamed faced in stores and probably more over online). Just move on, cause the more attention you give it, the bigger this gets, and the more it will sell, thus the more incentive for people to buy it.
Yes, I get this is Bob's opinion page, but Bob is often the one who says that protesting or making public opinions are not the way to go about things.
... Besides, you could argue that Vick is long overdo for a cover, with his works in the Falcons.
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Also, this is probably the most blantent attempt at trolling I think Bob has tried.
But meh. I think VIck has done his time. People need to keep personal and sports life separate. Pretty much every Oakland Raiders and I would say half the Baltimore Ravens are criminals and shouldnt be allowed to be anywhere near a football, but they still play. And I'm sure if Tom brady had done something like this, it would get whitewashed while he continued goi- wait... no, I dont need to revisit that argument. Not the time or place.
Point being, he served his time. Yes, he did something deplorable, and yes, animal lovers or people who view this as bad (which it is, though I think there's a level) would say he should have been punished much harder. Appearantly this was on the same level as what OJ did from the amount of vile he's getting. Let him be on the cover of something that no one really cares about unless you're American (and lets face it, you could throw OJ strangling a dog while Vick rains money down and Favre standing naked in the background sexting pics of the whole thing and it would still sell (though it would be much more shamed faced in stores and probably more over online). Just move on, cause the more attention you give it, the bigger this gets, and the more it will sell, thus the more incentive for people to buy it.
Yes, I get this is Bob's opinion page, but Bob is often the one who says that protesting or making public opinions are not the way to go about things.
... Besides, you could argue that Vick is long overdo for a cover, with his works in the Falcons.
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You know the rule, you cant talk shit on the Kennedys. Otherwise they use their connections and bury you. They're the American Camelot.gphjr14 said:
I don't care about "football" (in quotation mark because it is already used by a different sport and a sport in which you rarely kick the ball doesn't deserve the term), so I hadn't heard about this, but for the sake of the argument:
I'm not sure if you can really blame EA for it. If they were to seclude him from the vote before it started, they might seem hypocritical for not leaving out others - it would be hard to draw the line between who was and wasn't elegible and it would probably be too much work to take out everyone with a record so I can understand that they won't go there. If they take him out now, when he is winning, then it will be stupid because why did they let him be in the vote if they didn't want him to win.
The thing is that the people have spoken (or is about to anyway), and they don't really seem to care about the animal cruelty thing.
That is the problem about public voting - people suck.
I'm not sure if you can really blame EA for it. If they were to seclude him from the vote before it started, they might seem hypocritical for not leaving out others - it would be hard to draw the line between who was and wasn't elegible and it would probably be too much work to take out everyone with a record so I can understand that they won't go there. If they take him out now, when he is winning, then it will be stupid because why did they let him be in the vote if they didn't want him to win.
The thing is that the people have spoken (or is about to anyway), and they don't really seem to care about the animal cruelty thing.
That is the problem about public voting - people suck.
As a baseline? Yes. Soldiers are there to protect society from invaders, physicists and scientists in general constantly create new products to better our lives. . Are there exceptions? Yeah, sure, but most of them are good guys.DirkRhyolite said:
I still have to see an athlete whose athletic performances were so tremendously good that it cured six kinds of cancer, and gave everyone present a popsicle.
I have to agree on the basis that glorification of sports stars has lead to public leniency of their actions. Which is probably the one thing I hate more than anything else in the world. I just wanna say this, I hope you people that let X football/basketball/etc player off the hook for murder/assault/rape/etc have a good season, cuz that's pretty much why you let a criminal off easy for their actions.
What's the connection between his appearing on the cover of a game and the crimes he's committed? Would you feel like you were condoning his actions if you bought it? Why? Does he recieve money for the use of his image? If that's the case, and it's the reason you disagree with this, then perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to keep his job as a professional footballer anyway. Other than that I don't see any connection between him appearing on the cover of a box and him torturing small animals.
You know, I disagree with you, Bob, I don't actually think the majority of people are voting for him so he'd be on the cover because he's a good athlete.
I think people are voting for him so either EA will refuse to put him on the cover, causing a shitstorm of controversy, or EA will put him on the cover, causing a different shitstorm of controversy.
Either way, people will get weeks worth of tabloid level news from every outlet from Fox to Kotaku.
In short, the internet if full of terrible people who are bored and want to take part in some mayhem anonymously, and what better way than an internet poll deciding which real life NFL star could be on the cover of a multi-million selling sports game?
I think people are voting for him so either EA will refuse to put him on the cover, causing a shitstorm of controversy, or EA will put him on the cover, causing a different shitstorm of controversy.
Either way, people will get weeks worth of tabloid level news from every outlet from Fox to Kotaku.
In short, the internet if full of terrible people who are bored and want to take part in some mayhem anonymously, and what better way than an internet poll deciding which real life NFL star could be on the cover of a multi-million selling sports game?
He did specify factory farms. From what I've heard, killing the animal is the least cruel thing they do to it. But that's just what I've heard.2xDouble said:
I agree with this. So much.JoJoDeathunter said:
If you REALLY think that dog abuse is one of the worst crimes a human can commit, you have seriously lost a lot of respect form this rando guy on the Internet. Dogs are NOT paragons of innocence, I have lived my entire lfie with a crushing fear of dogs due to being attacked by one as a child. Dogs have KILLED PEOPLE. And I really hate it when people say it is somehow unforgivable to say 'it's just a dog'.
Yes, dog abuse isn't somehting I would condone - I disagree with dogfighting simply because it increases the amount of truly dangerous dogs in society. But it is Nowhere. Friggin'. Near the worst thing a human can do.
I am really in agreement with Bob on this one. I'm someone who still eats meat, but I believe animals are not so far from ourselves to go out of our way to hurt them. I mean we domesticate them just to unleash these horrors on them?
I have had such a horrible time with this Vick thing. I didn't know about the game cover, but I did see that he was getting a TV show on some network and that infuriated me. How can people forget or ignore things so easily? I know a lot of people that say "I can like the work/art/etc without liking the man". Except that by liking someone's music, films, or that they play a great game, you're just supporting them, putting money in their pocket, and not letting them see at all that besides legal consequences, their nasty choices also have social backlash. Few of my friends understood my displeasure whenever I heard about this guy because they either were unfamiliar (the only media they pay attention to is what they download or buy) or they just don't feel that much for animals (apathy is such a nasty thing).
So thank you Bob, for pointing out something I thought most people ignored and moved on with. I'm a firm believer in forgive, but don't forget. How can the person ever learn, ever keep from repeating mistakes, if in a short time it's like the incident never happened. There's no motivation to reform if all it takes is bringing up faith and a few months to toss every offense out the window in the public eye. Then on top of that, you get all this exposure and these deals, when most have forgotten why you're in the news in the first place.
I have had such a horrible time with this Vick thing. I didn't know about the game cover, but I did see that he was getting a TV show on some network and that infuriated me. How can people forget or ignore things so easily? I know a lot of people that say "I can like the work/art/etc without liking the man". Except that by liking someone's music, films, or that they play a great game, you're just supporting them, putting money in their pocket, and not letting them see at all that besides legal consequences, their nasty choices also have social backlash. Few of my friends understood my displeasure whenever I heard about this guy because they either were unfamiliar (the only media they pay attention to is what they download or buy) or they just don't feel that much for animals (apathy is such a nasty thing).
So thank you Bob, for pointing out something I thought most people ignored and moved on with. I'm a firm believer in forgive, but don't forget. How can the person ever learn, ever keep from repeating mistakes, if in a short time it's like the incident never happened. There's no motivation to reform if all it takes is bringing up faith and a few months to toss every offense out the window in the public eye. Then on top of that, you get all this exposure and these deals, when most have forgotten why you're in the news in the first place.
I haven't played any Madden games, and haven't heard of the guy either, sto thanks for explaining what he did.
What can i say that all the other posters haven't? Not much, really...
Yes, they guy is a total bastard for doing what he did. He should not be on the cover. I mean, he really shouldn't, as in, why are people voting for someone like that? Haven't they heard what he did? Or have they all forgotten it? Or just plain don't care? I have no idea...
Also, i really liked how passionate Bob was, this was a great change to the normality of his videos. Passion is a good thing.
What can i say that all the other posters haven't? Not much, really...
Yes, they guy is a total bastard for doing what he did. He should not be on the cover. I mean, he really shouldn't, as in, why are people voting for someone like that? Haven't they heard what he did? Or have they all forgotten it? Or just plain don't care? I have no idea...
Also, i really liked how passionate Bob was, this was a great change to the normality of his videos. Passion is a good thing.
if you don't enjoy eating animals, there are alternatives, and they're more cost effective too.2xDouble said:
greed drives profits from death in any case. I don't know why there's the need to draw a distinction.
When did Bob say that?emeraldrafael said:
On the first paragraph (in the quote anyway): I don't see your argument here. The more attention you give it, the more people will know, and hopefully the more people will care. Yes, it may potensially lead to EA selling more copies, but I don't see how that is a very bad thing - it isn't like the money goes to people who themselves torture animals (at least I hope not).
ok bob now you lost a lot of sympathy points
because this rant puts you at least on the same low level as PETA concerning hypocrisy
there is absolutely no measure in what you say
all i hear is "OMG I AM SUCH A GIANT DOG LOVER OMG OMG OMG ISNT THAT DOG CUTE OMG"
i mean really?
just because you like dogs so much you are gonna put them over every other animal?
i really thought that you were joking when you said in the same rant that you're pro animal testing
either you are pro animal rights or against it... and no exception for the cuddliest animals
either you view animals as what they are(animals) or you grant all animals higher rights
my personal opinion
i'll come clean and say right away that i'm not a fan of dogs... hell they might even be my most hated animal right down there with mosquitoes and wasps
still animals are animals no matter how cuddly they are
basically they don't deserve any rights as they don't even are able to perceive the concept of "rights"
just because animals complain about something doesn't mean that they realize that they have been "wronged" because they don't
in the end they will either forget or except this as their life
i mean what else do animals other than being cute to deserve rights?
i'm not talking about useful animals here like cows and chicken because apparently bob thinks it's ok to torture them - which i find even more hypocritical since those animal at least theoretically deserve rights
last point
i'm a total cat lover
still i wouldn't mind eating them and i would especially not tell others how to treat their cats... because on a basic level they are just things that are being owned by people
edit: i'd also go into detail about how people see the justice system but that would just go too far
because this rant puts you at least on the same low level as PETA concerning hypocrisy
there is absolutely no measure in what you say
all i hear is "OMG I AM SUCH A GIANT DOG LOVER OMG OMG OMG ISNT THAT DOG CUTE OMG"
i mean really?
just because you like dogs so much you are gonna put them over every other animal?
i really thought that you were joking when you said in the same rant that you're pro animal testing
either you are pro animal rights or against it... and no exception for the cuddliest animals
either you view animals as what they are(animals) or you grant all animals higher rights
my personal opinion
i'll come clean and say right away that i'm not a fan of dogs... hell they might even be my most hated animal right down there with mosquitoes and wasps
still animals are animals no matter how cuddly they are
basically they don't deserve any rights as they don't even are able to perceive the concept of "rights"
just because animals complain about something doesn't mean that they realize that they have been "wronged" because they don't
in the end they will either forget or except this as their life
i mean what else do animals other than being cute to deserve rights?
i'm not talking about useful animals here like cows and chicken because apparently bob thinks it's ok to torture them - which i find even more hypocritical since those animal at least theoretically deserve rights
last point
i'm a total cat lover
still i wouldn't mind eating them and i would especially not tell others how to treat their cats... because on a basic level they are just things that are being owned by people
edit: i'd also go into detail about how people see the justice system but that would just go too far
Omg, someone might get offended because of him being on the cover, all take cover! - Ha? See what I did there...
Yeah, he shouldn't be on the cover, not because someone might get offended or similar reason. Because he doesn't deserve to be on the cover
Yeah, he shouldn't be on the cover, not because someone might get offended or similar reason. Because he doesn't deserve to be on the cover
I think a lot of you are overlooking something kind of important. While "human on human" violence is generally considered worse than what Vick did, torturing and killing small (relative term) animals is a part of the Macdonald triad, also known as the triad of sociopathy. This is a pretty reliable indicator of a pre-existing proneness towards homicidal behaviour. In other words, this guy's a serial killer waiting to happen. Don't believe me? Both Jeffrey Dalmer and Denis Raider (BTK) tortured and killed animals before moving on to humans.
While I don't agree with everything Bob said, I think that Vick doesn't deserve the madden cover because a.) there were bigger stars this season, and b.) he already got the cover (see Madden 2004).
Don't think he's the scourge of the Earth, but he certainly doesn't deserve another Madden cover.
Don't think he's the scourge of the Earth, but he certainly doesn't deserve another Madden cover.
First point: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Vicky boy's been on the cover of Madden once already when he was with Atlanta. And then promptly got cursed with an injury in the preseason and didn't play all year. Based purely on that, why should he get it again? (If we're going to allow repeats, then they might as well give it to Peyton Manning every year just like the NFL does with its MVP.)
Second point: I'll agree with what some others have said, namely that forgiving is not forgetting. I'm prepared to forgive His Idiocy because yes, he did his time and he seems to be genuinely sorry and is making steps to make up for it. I'm okay with him still playing in the league. But that said, I'm with you Bob. He shouldn't receive everything someone else would. He shouldn't get plaudits like being on the Madden cover (again). He should be doing things like penitently thanking the league for giving him another chance and donating ALL his salary to the Humane Society or similar. Seriously, he can afford it.
Third point: Honestly Bob, this is the NFL we're talking about. This is the least moral sports league in North America. They don't care about animal murder. Hell, [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis"]human murder[/a] doesn't even bother them.
Second point: I'll agree with what some others have said, namely that forgiving is not forgetting. I'm prepared to forgive His Idiocy because yes, he did his time and he seems to be genuinely sorry and is making steps to make up for it. I'm okay with him still playing in the league. But that said, I'm with you Bob. He shouldn't receive everything someone else would. He shouldn't get plaudits like being on the Madden cover (again). He should be doing things like penitently thanking the league for giving him another chance and donating ALL his salary to the Humane Society or similar. Seriously, he can afford it.
Third point: Honestly Bob, this is the NFL we're talking about. This is the least moral sports league in North America. They don't care about animal murder. Hell, [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis"]human murder[/a] doesn't even bother them.