The Big Picture: Maddening
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Bob I almost always disagree with you, and this time is no difference. Vick fucked up and did some horrible shit. He served time in prison and did not kill human beings. Also, on the sliding scale of humanity, I'd rate a lot of athletes higher than you. You put together a bunch of random pictures and talk over them with your opinion.
Whoopdy fucking do.
I'm pretty sure there's been other ex-criminals on the front of madden games. They also probably committed crimes against human beings which will always be more damning than anything done to animals. I like animals, but in this case you're completely wrong. I truly feel like he's trying to come back from the mistakes he made. Hell, maybe that is impossible, but at least he's trying.
I'm sure you've never done anything wrong though Bob, nothing you've ever regretted. You're just another freaking mouth piece on the internet no different than any other except for the fact that you get paid to spout to other people your opinion on things. Why don't you pay attention to yourself and your own shortcomings instead of focusing on someone who made animals fight each other. I also like how no one gives a fuck if you have a snake fight or something like that, but when it's fluffy cute shit everyone flips. He wasn't stuffing poodles and lolcats into arenas and torturing them (these were dogs trained and conditioned to be violent ANIMALS)
All in all, you're dead wrong. Animals will never be on the same level as humans, no matter how cuddly wuddly they are (and believe me I do love animals-I own a cat). Vick didn't murder a human child, he didn't violently rape anyone, he didn't assualt a grandmother, he didn't slaughter babies, etc. Get your priorities straight. It's time to move the fuck on and get over it. This series pisses me off to no end as well. How the hell do you actually get paid to spew your opinion and spout it off like fact?!
Whoopdy fucking do.
I'm pretty sure there's been other ex-criminals on the front of madden games. They also probably committed crimes against human beings which will always be more damning than anything done to animals. I like animals, but in this case you're completely wrong. I truly feel like he's trying to come back from the mistakes he made. Hell, maybe that is impossible, but at least he's trying.
I'm sure you've never done anything wrong though Bob, nothing you've ever regretted. You're just another freaking mouth piece on the internet no different than any other except for the fact that you get paid to spout to other people your opinion on things. Why don't you pay attention to yourself and your own shortcomings instead of focusing on someone who made animals fight each other. I also like how no one gives a fuck if you have a snake fight or something like that, but when it's fluffy cute shit everyone flips. He wasn't stuffing poodles and lolcats into arenas and torturing them (these were dogs trained and conditioned to be violent ANIMALS)
All in all, you're dead wrong. Animals will never be on the same level as humans, no matter how cuddly wuddly they are (and believe me I do love animals-I own a cat). Vick didn't murder a human child, he didn't violently rape anyone, he didn't assualt a grandmother, he didn't slaughter babies, etc. Get your priorities straight. It's time to move the fuck on and get over it. This series pisses me off to no end as well. How the hell do you actually get paid to spew your opinion and spout it off like fact?!
I respectfully disagree.
A few notes before I elaborate: I don't care about football. I don't care about sports. I think what Vick did was a crime worthy of punishment. But what does that crime have to do with football?
The man's placement on a cover is nothing more than a recognition of his popularity. If the people who vote for this nonsense want this ass bag on the cover of the latest edition of Madden, why should I care? Voting against him is the very limit of what I might be willing to do in this case and, quite honestly, I don't even intend to put in that effort. Indeed, my condemnation against the man is so weak that I'm surprised I sat through a video telling me he ought not appear on the cover.
Were it left to me, I wouldn't have put him in the running but they did. If the people choose to ignore his past misdeeds on account of having a good season, then they deserve to own a rip off of a product with is likeness plastered upon it. At least one group of villains is being punished in this case, even if it's only through their wallets, and that's better than we usually see.
A few notes before I elaborate: I don't care about football. I don't care about sports. I think what Vick did was a crime worthy of punishment. But what does that crime have to do with football?
The man's placement on a cover is nothing more than a recognition of his popularity. If the people who vote for this nonsense want this ass bag on the cover of the latest edition of Madden, why should I care? Voting against him is the very limit of what I might be willing to do in this case and, quite honestly, I don't even intend to put in that effort. Indeed, my condemnation against the man is so weak that I'm surprised I sat through a video telling me he ought not appear on the cover.
Were it left to me, I wouldn't have put him in the running but they did. If the people choose to ignore his past misdeeds on account of having a good season, then they deserve to own a rip off of a product with is likeness plastered upon it. At least one group of villains is being punished in this case, even if it's only through their wallets, and that's better than we usually see.
Just an idea Bob, but why don't you try your hand at interacting with 4chan if you care enough about this issue?
4chan:
- Love animals
- Hate animal abuse and especially abusers
- Are as powerful and organized an internet voting force as you can get
Anyone around here frequents 4chan? If you do, could you raise this issue there? I'm fairly certain they'd be interested in helping
4chan:
- Love animals
- Hate animal abuse and especially abusers
- Are as powerful and organized an internet voting force as you can get
Anyone around here frequents 4chan? If you do, could you raise this issue there? I'm fairly certain they'd be interested in helping
Someone should just go and hack the living hell out of that voting site.
Or someone who knows how dynamic IP's work vote another guy.
Or someone who knows how dynamic IP's work vote another guy.
Well apparently, killing dogs is acceptable and killing people is not according to EA. Glad to know that EA has a line they aren't willing to cross. Just wish it had higher standards.
I have no problem with Vick being on the cover of this game. Yes what he did as a person was evil but that has nothing to do with his career as a professional athlete. All that is required to be on the cover of the game is that you are an American football player who is selected and voted for, what you get up to in your personal time is irrelevant in regards to that.
The episode was nice and all, but as a non-american I was completely lost. Please don't do many episodes completely focused on a single country's culture. Not just the US, any one country. If you'd have done an episode about real football (soccer), which is more international, I would have liked it more, even though I've watched a grand total of 1 football (again, soccer) game. A quick summation doesn't help if you don't know the culture around it.
If he does get on the cover (which I doubt he will) I propose we all get plain stickers, cut out shapes like comic word balloons and in marker write "I kill dogs for fun and profit" and put them on every copy we see. It might help to sell a few less copies and EA will see how bad they fucked up.curtisalanmcgee said:
And I've never watched a soccer game in my life, so we would be back at square one lolGeorgW said:
yeah thats for sure hell im a dog hater and have no problem killing animals in general but to kill and torture animals for entertainment purposes is just sick id rather watch 2 consenting adults try to kill each other at least they can consent to itSusan Arendt said:
@One of the links. I meant building REAL shit. Like buildings and technology. And that cat might have done a thumbs up but see if it can hold (and function) a screwdriver.Onyxious said:
Also. I'm an atheist as well. Sorry that I implied otherwise. Bad word useage on my part.
About the international audience, we may not be into American "Football" and their fucked up players, but we do get our share of full priced roster updates every year. This is the sad business model of all mainstream sports games (not just EA), wich survives because it's target audience and consumers are not gamers, but douche-bag fratboys with consoles, who are also to blame for the myth about console players being dumb and for the continued existence of the recent Transformers movies. Damn I hate those motherfuckers.
Oh, you're not wrong. But everyone who wants to burn Vick at the stake is simply overreacting.Susan Arendt said:
However, I don't see where I implied that killing them (or getting them killed) was at all okay. Not sure where you got that from. I simply do not mourn their loss.
As I've said before, I rank recreational dog fighting as being exactly as evil as recreational hunting and killing animals purely for fashion.
Going to jail for five years is more than adequate punishments for his actions and shunning him is entirely unnecessary. The Madden cover is reserved for the top ball throwers/catchers in the NFL and he's among the people that deserve the honor. Denying him this on the basis of crimes he committed in the past would just demonstrate how difficult it is for a person who goes to prison for a mistake to get their life back.
Going to jail for five years is more than adequate punishments for his actions and shunning him is entirely unnecessary. The Madden cover is reserved for the top ball throwers/catchers in the NFL and he's among the people that deserve the honor. Denying him this on the basis of crimes he committed in the past would just demonstrate how difficult it is for a person who goes to prison for a mistake to get their life back.
I think he did his time, and it was up to the judge and jury to decide what time he'd serve. So tough, I'm not going to demand another punishment or banishment or whatever for a guy who has already received his just desserts. That is why we have a court of law in the first place, so members of the public don't dish out retribution against whoever they feel deserves it.
That is one problem with Bob's tirade. The other is what he suggested about the more humanitarian folks deserving "more slack". Ah, so if I get caught mistreating animals, I should deserve more prison time than an MD who commited the same crime? Bullshit!
That is one problem with Bob's tirade. The other is what he suggested about the more humanitarian folks deserving "more slack". Ah, so if I get caught mistreating animals, I should deserve more prison time than an MD who commited the same crime? Bullshit!
@ the lapalminator
Horseracers don't force horses to kill each other in a dingy, cardboard box ring. They don't tie up female horses to posts, to be raped repeatedly. And the reason they shoot injured horses is because if a horse breaks it's leg, IT CAN NEVER RUN AGAIN. Letting it live would be almost like torture. A horse is born to run. When not able to run, they become depressed as hell. Dogfighters kill the pitbulls because either 1) they lose, or 2) they're just bored.
Horseracers don't force horses to kill each other in a dingy, cardboard box ring. They don't tie up female horses to posts, to be raped repeatedly. And the reason they shoot injured horses is because if a horse breaks it's leg, IT CAN NEVER RUN AGAIN. Letting it live would be almost like torture. A horse is born to run. When not able to run, they become depressed as hell. Dogfighters kill the pitbulls because either 1) they lose, or 2) they're just bored.
Yes, damn them for having a tastes different from yours! Damn them all to hell!Venereus said:
The fans of the Madden games don't have to buy them if they think they aren't getting enough bang for their buck. The fact that they keep buying implies they're fine with it. We have the same thing here with FIFA (US read: soccer) games, and my brother faithfully got them for about 5 years running. He loved that shit! The minor changes in gameplay and rostering were good enough for him to keep buying the next one.