The Big Picture: Not Okay
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Last week I was disappointed at what I find to be one of your worst videos. However, you came back strong Bob. This was a really great episode. I might be biased because I completely agree with you on the subject, but I really enjoyed the episode and it really made me think about my actions and the actions of others. I try to be good people whenever I can and I'm glad someone with a voice listened to be a big section of the gamer community is using his means to try and convince others to try to be good as well. Thanks for a great episode.
Wait a second, that part about free speech and the first amendment rights is something I've seen described as censorship right here on The Escapist when a troll is arrested here in the U.K.. I distinctly remember that our freedom was brought into question when someone was arrested for insulting a dead girl right on her tribute page, despite the fact that something like this doesn't really carry much of a heavy sentence over here.
Was it entirely justified to arrest him? I can't say, but for the reasons outlined in this video I think it's definitely fair that he was. You have the right to say what you like, but if you use that right to hurt others either directly or indirectly with the intention of hurting them for whatever reason, yeah, you should be punished for it.
Was it entirely justified to arrest him? I can't say, but for the reasons outlined in this video I think it's definitely fair that he was. You have the right to say what you like, but if you use that right to hurt others either directly or indirectly with the intention of hurting them for whatever reason, yeah, you should be punished for it.
You're supporting a rape victim, so you're on the side of supporting rape victims, at least in that regard.captainfluoxetine said:If you're not against them you're with them!dyre said:John Funk said:
Sorry, just thought that was a pretty weird line. I'd better go support some rape victims...wouldn't want people to think I support rapists.
Here's a question to John 'the authority on sexual violence' Funk.
My friend who was a victim of rape finds me the only person she can talk to about it BECAUSE of my blunt insensitive and fun making attitude. Everyone else goes all serious on her when she needs to talk and she can't deal with it. So she finds talking to me therapeutic.
An example of my assholery would be if we're out having a drink I'll make a comment like 'Oh no one REALLY gets their drink spiked, rapes just a myth.'
Yet because of this when she DOES need a serious conversation she feels she can talk to me.
I make fun of rape but also do my utmost to support a victim of it. Where do I fit into your black and white spectrum of 'People who are rapists' and 'people who would never use the word rape inappropriately'?
Now if another rape victim, who you did not have a longstanding friendship with, overheard your comments, they would probably take it much more negatively. So that's something you should consider if you're making these comments in a public place.
Really this isn't about controlling what people can or can't say, it's about getting people to think about what their words actually mean and how they affect others. You're clearly well aware that you're helping your friend here, and that is admirable.
...Abandon4093 said:
Google "She deserved it" and "rape". You'll find results. I'm not going to link them here for the sake of common decency.
You and dyre may also want to stop celebrating your argument from ignorance.
I use rape as a synonym for defeat in a game. I might say, if you go into the Catacombs before the Burg in Dark Souls the skeletons will rape you in the ass with their curved swords. If it's wrong, oh well. Then again I laughed at the Dick Wolves joke.
I tend to be OK with any form of crude marginalizing language as long as it isn't directed at any person in particular. I know Bob disagrees with me on this.
I'd like to note that the word fuck is pretty synonymous with rape. If you say, "You better pay that on time or you're fucked" Since the person at hand doesn't want to be fucked in the sense. It's synonymous with rape, and since we use that terminology constantly on our culture in and our of video games. It becomes apparent that the context and tone of the language is all the matters in my opinion.
I tend to be OK with any form of crude marginalizing language as long as it isn't directed at any person in particular. I know Bob disagrees with me on this.
I'd like to note that the word fuck is pretty synonymous with rape. If you say, "You better pay that on time or you're fucked" Since the person at hand doesn't want to be fucked in the sense. It's synonymous with rape, and since we use that terminology constantly on our culture in and our of video games. It becomes apparent that the context and tone of the language is all the matters in my opinion.
Oh, really? Might want to look up the "fighting words doctrine."Father Time said:
To summarize: purely abusive language is no more "covered under the 1st" than is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. And for rather similar reasons, no less.
Got some proof of that, then?Father Time said:
Because unexamined privilege is not a justification. Just sayin'.
So...I have to "prove" that there is no value in making light of people's massively traumatic lived experiences (i.e. equating them with getting "pwned" in a video game or failing a test)? Or that trying to justify doing so, in the name of "freedom of speech" or anything else, is a sign of unexamined privilege?Father Time said:
Okay, then, although it sure looks like plenty of people have already done just that.
Irrelevant.