Wallmart Austraila is gonna stop carrying the game as well.Jman1236 said:So your not selling this game? Fine I'll go across the street to gamestop, or god forbid walmart, they'll gladly take my money and future business from me unlike you.
Wallmart Austraila is gonna stop carrying the game as well.Jman1236 said:So your not selling this game? Fine I'll go across the street to gamestop, or god forbid walmart, they'll gladly take my money and future business from me unlike you.
Or you know, make it representative of actual illegal prostitution that is to say the industry with the most sex related climes. An industry that doesn't offer any protection to the people in it because of it's illegality which also leads to abuses of power from pimps who also don't particularity like their money makers leaving the business. Instead of a bunch of women who are perfectly happy to fuck you and have no issues whatsoever. Not to mention the GTA trope of having sex with a prostitute, paying her for the sex, killing her, and getting back your money.DirgeNovak said:I agree with everything said here except for the "WTF Rockstar" bit. The game never encourages the player to kill prostitutes, so there's nothing to ask WTF about. The only solutions to the "problem" would be to outright remove prostitutes and strippers from the game, which would be weird since they're a staple of stories about organized crime, or make them unkillable, which would be outright stupid since it goes against the very concept of an open world crime game.
Pretty much can be summed up with this:Suhi89 said:I posted something similar to this on part one, but it seems as though people still refuse to believe words mean what they clearly mean. So, from Wikipedia.
From vocabulary.comCensorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.
Governments, private organizations and individuals may engage in censorship. When an individual such as an author or other creator engages in censorship of their own works or speech, it is called self-censorship. Censorship may be direct or it may be indirect, in which case it is called soft censorship. It occurs in a variety of different media, including speech, books, music, films, and other arts, the press, radio, television, and the Internet for a variety of claimed reasons including national security, to control obscenity, child pornography, and hate speech, to protect children or other vulnerable groups, to promote or restrict political or religious views, and to prevent slander and libel.
oxforddictionaries.comCensorship blocks something from being read, heard, or seen. If you've ever heard the sound of bleeping when someone is speaking on television, that's censorship.
To "censor" is to review something and to choose to remove or hide parts of it that are considered unacceptable. Censorship is the name for the process or idea of keeping things like obscene word or graphic images from an audience. There is also such a thing as self-censorship, which is when you refrain from saying certain things ? or possibly re-wording them ? depending on who is listening.
merriamwebster.comExamine (a book, film, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it.
You get my point. Censorship doesn't have to be official or government backed to be censorship. This is simple definitions of words. It just requires the removal of something for reasons of offence or unacceptability. This is how it different from choosing not to stock something because you believe that it won't make you enough money. It also doesn't matter if you can get it elsewhere. Target has censored GTAV by the definition of the word.censor verb
: to examine books, movies, letters, etc., in order to remove things that are considered to be offensive, immoral, harmful to society, etc.
And even if I couldn't go to the top few results from google when I type in 'censorship definition' to back up my point, words are defined by their usage. Decimate is now essentially a synonym of destroy. Less can mean fewer. Literally doesn't literally have to mean literally. You might not like it, but you're going to have to live with it.
Honestly I think Bob is the current leader of said Republic, if I recall he's pretty much the reason the Escapist no longer has a Twitter feed on the front page.Occams_Razor said:"People's Republic of Overreactistan" is now my new go-to definition for this trend of blind outrage over relatively minor issues.
I would say no, since he explicitly said that in the video itself, but of course I can't speak for what other people feel a need to point out.Sigmund Av Volsung said:Does anyone really have to point out to Bob that GTA is a satire?
I feel it will probably be easier for you to control what you listen to than it will be for you to control what another person says.Mythmaker said:Bob, please stop talking about games. I get nothing out of listening to you talk about games but a headache.
Nevertheless, I feel we have to apply certain qualifiers to this, or else Target is engaging in censorship by not selling its shoppers' credit card information to me, and the word becomes meaningless as a condemnation. "They're suppressing the information of their patrons' financial identifications because it's considered harmful! Censorship! Censorship!"Suhi89 said:I posted something similar to this on part one, but it seems as though people still refuse to believe words mean what they clearly mean. So, from Wikipedia.
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.
Presumably for the sake of internal consistency; or because Mr. Chipman is okay with you arguing against Target's choice as long as you don't call it something it's not. Or maybe something else. I genuinely don't know his mind. Just guessing.Batou667 said:I too use the "It's not collusion, just capitalism" line, when complaints are made about tropes or depictions or lack of diversity. If this is an apparently unsatisfactory thing to say in that case, why is "LOL capitalism" something we ought to just suck up when directed at the other side?
I don't remember him saying any of that about gun violence, vehicular violence, or gang crime. Would you please indicate the time stamp on the video when he said those things?Batou667 said:So, permitting violence against prostitutes is bad and "normalizes" real-world sexual violence, but on the other hand the depictions of gun violence, vehicular violence, and gang crime that the GTA series is utterly dependent on, is something only a nut like Jack Thompson would try to ban! No cognitive dissonance here, boss!
Is that intentional? I can't tell how funny to find it. If it's an error, it's funny; if it's intentional, it's kind of hilarious.Ih8makingUsernames said:This is censorship. Nothing annoys me more then people who try to play koi with words.
It may be a bit of a split hair, but I don't believe that refusing to sell someone's work for a profit counts as suppressing their freedom of expression. The expressions are still out there, still being sold and circulated. Target just isn't doing it. If Target choosing not to buy this game for resale is censorship, then by that definition, aren't I also censoring Rockstar by not buying the game to sell to others?Ih8makingUsernames said:Censorship is the suppression of freedom of expression.
I do not remember him saying otherwise. Would you please indicate the time stamp of where in the video he says so?Ih8makingUsernames said:People are allowed to get upset about whatever they want.
Is that the origin of those .gifs I've been seeing of a woman in front of a committee giving a speech about how none of them call themselves "sex workers" and the term is offensive white-washing? Would you happen to know that off the top of your head? No worries if not; I realize that question is probably really out of nowhere.pretzil said:I just want to point out to all the people getting American about this, but prostitution is legal in Australia. It is regulated and taxed; the people who started this petition...are sex workers.
In what way?drmagicpants said:His portrayal of the people against Target's decision is a sweeping generalization and a straw man.
Well for starters gta san Andrea?s dehumanized pimps, not sure about gta 5 but that has to count for something.MaddKossack115 said:Okay, I've already made this point with another commentator, but I think what MovieBob mostly means to say is that prostitutes don't have to be cut from the games altogether, and shouldn't be granted magic invincibility when a GTA player goes on a rampage, but they should do more to acknowledge how abusive a sex worker's life is, (like with pimps who abuse them to keep them in line, 'customers' who abuse them just to get their rocks off, and so on), rather than just treat them with a "Hey guys! Just pay these happy girls for instant sex!" attitude that was laughably cheesy in the 3D-era, but increasingly out of touch and creepy in the HD-era.JMac85 said:So, I don't get what Bob was trying to convey at the end about the prostitutes. Does he want them to be invincible like children in Skyrim? Does he not want them to simply not be in the games like children in GTA? Because by simple virtue of being NPC's in a GTA game they're fair game to be gunned down, ran over, stabbed, and blown the fuck up just like everyone else.
It's not like they can't use the "girlfriend dating" system from GTA IV. It admittedly needs some improvements both mechanically and tonally, but it's still better than acting like prostitutes are happily shameless in performing sex acts for just a bit of money, when in reality they're likely forced and abused into the life by criminal scumbags, and are screwed over even harder by law enforcement and mainstream society blaming the hookers for "bringing it on themselves" instead of the pimps actually forcing them to do those acts.
And if the argument is "oh, EVERYBODY is dehumanized in a GTA game", that can easily be accomplished by dehumanizing the people abusing sex workers, thus getting closer to the root of the problem, while still being a more acceptable message - it's what Watch_Dogs did during the "Human Trafficking" sidequest (namely, hunting down a band of criminals importing sex slaves into the city).
The footage of the YouTube video was based on the re-release. Specifically, it used the first person perspective which is only available in the re-release and some have said ended up making the events in the video more immediate.ryukage_sama said:We'll agree to disagree as to whether a re-release makes something new again.
Who's "we"?ryukage_sama said:We can't repeat that enough
Support? You really got the impression that he was supporting Target?Grampy_bone said:I'll just point out that MovieBob and other's support of Target would completely reverse if they were removing Gone Home for promoting "sodomy" or something-