I personally don't care. I think shutting down the space program was one the better ideas of the Obama administration. We don't have the technology yet to get anywhere interesting in a life time and cities on Mars or the Moon would be wildly impractical. I think we should spend more energy developing the Earth than dicking around in space. I'm not gonna go on some spiel about war and the hungry and sick, because we'll always have those things no matter how far we advance. All I'm saying is unless we develop Faster Than Light Travel we should leave our Sci Fi nerd fantasies by the wayside. This Earth is all we have for now and if we waste our precious energy up in the big nothing, our problems down here will bite us in the ass. I'm sure anyone can agree it's just idiotic to look up when there is a fire at your feet.
The Big Picture: Once Upon a Time in The Future
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I really care about space exploration. In fact, if NASA ever looked for astronauts in my neighborhood (not likely) I would be first in line.
I only wish I were a robot, they ARE still sending those up. I just hope the future astromauts aren't picked by Simon Cowl.
I only wish I were a robot, they ARE still sending those up. I just hope the future astromauts aren't picked by Simon Cowl.
Yes, people do play nice when they have more space, and I didn't say that Space Habitation would immediately bring World Peace. I said it would come first: I would hope that Humanity would stop warring with each other if they finally realize how small they are compared to the rest of the universe. At the very least, I expect less fighting when their is more room for cultures to grow.MrhalfAwake said:
Even the most aggressive expansionists still have to touch borders with neighbors. That takes time.
EDIT: Ok, I'll give you the "Red Faction" scanario, but that only happens when governments do not maintain strong influences on their colonies. Really, that can happen any place.
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well... this is kind of a let down...
i was expecting more interesting points of view from him than what he has shown, i mean i agree with a lot of stuff he does and says, but this piece in particular seems... i dont know, redundant?? "i´m mad because i´m mad"??
he just said he wants people to focus in what he believes is "important" but doesnt give a single good reason as to "why" he just continues to "*****" about how people care about stuff that he doesnt care and then calls himself all important because he takes a flimsy stand for something that in the end was never that importan to begin with!
and then goes and says "humanity" or "society" (dont remember the exact word) as a whole is "bad" because he was "bullied" by it!?!?
i just stopped caring after the fact that he blames HIS problems in other people, emo much??
whatever, i still respect his oppinion when he actually makes sense, it just didnt felt like he put a lot of thought into this.
well... this is kind of a let down...
i was expecting more interesting points of view from him than what he has shown, i mean i agree with a lot of stuff he does and says, but this piece in particular seems... i dont know, redundant?? "i´m mad because i´m mad"??
he just said he wants people to focus in what he believes is "important" but doesnt give a single good reason as to "why" he just continues to "*****" about how people care about stuff that he doesnt care and then calls himself all important because he takes a flimsy stand for something that in the end was never that importan to begin with!
and then goes and says "humanity" or "society" (dont remember the exact word) as a whole is "bad" because he was "bullied" by it!?!?
i just stopped caring after the fact that he blames HIS problems in other people, emo much??
whatever, i still respect his oppinion when he actually makes sense, it just didnt felt like he put a lot of thought into this.
don't worry bob you aren't bad...you are just stupid in that matter
so you'd rather like to have colonies on other planets than cleaning up this mess we call humanity? way to go now we can fuck up other planets like this one(not talking about environmental)
first we have to sort out our lives on earth - erasing religion, proper birth control...well the usual stuff - until we reached a nice and comfy utopia/dystopia
and i'm no dreamer, i know we'd need a genie for that
and THEN the space travel stuff will happen naturally
though it still would be nothing more than a fancy way to spend one's vacation
so you'd rather like to have colonies on other planets than cleaning up this mess we call humanity? way to go now we can fuck up other planets like this one(not talking about environmental)
first we have to sort out our lives on earth - erasing religion, proper birth control...well the usual stuff - until we reached a nice and comfy utopia/dystopia
and i'm no dreamer, i know we'd need a genie for that
and THEN the space travel stuff will happen naturally
though it still would be nothing more than a fancy way to spend one's vacation
The constellation program was a waste of money. It was way overbudget and still not remotely close to reaching its goals.
And what kind of idiot would want to go to Mars? It's absurdly dangerous, even more absurdly expensive, and there's not actually any reason to go there except so that you can say that you did it.
Placing men on the moon was a monumental achievement, proof that it was actually possible to do these things (and there was that whole space race-thing). Mars isn't anything like that. We could probably go to Mars, if we wanted to. There's just no reason to. It's expensive enough to send tiny little unmanned probes.
Did I mention how absurdly dangerous and expensive it'd be? I don't even think they know how they'd be able to get people there alive, what with the massive amounts of radiation they'd be exposed to on the way there.
And what kind of idiot would want to go to Mars? It's absurdly dangerous, even more absurdly expensive, and there's not actually any reason to go there except so that you can say that you did it.
Placing men on the moon was a monumental achievement, proof that it was actually possible to do these things (and there was that whole space race-thing). Mars isn't anything like that. We could probably go to Mars, if we wanted to. There's just no reason to. It's expensive enough to send tiny little unmanned probes.
Did I mention how absurdly dangerous and expensive it'd be? I don't even think they know how they'd be able to get people there alive, what with the massive amounts of radiation they'd be exposed to on the way there.
In the future on Dark Passage by final magnum opus novel. Space and the universe is a painting, a lie spread across our solar system to make us happy and keep us dreaming and thinking. Oh we are part of a massive system of universes strung together in a netherous astral plane where cosmic horrors lurk waiting for the chance for a universe in this murk to give itself away so they can pounce and devour it.
But that backdrop had a purpose, to help us dream and imagine and place ourself in something greater. The revelation of our insignificance makes us work that much harder to make ourselves better.
But that backdrop had a purpose, to help us dream and imagine and place ourself in something greater. The revelation of our insignificance makes us work that much harder to make ourselves better.
Honestly, I'm glad NASA is getting the boot. Its bureaucracy has become so large and redundant that it takes a mountain of paperwork just to get stuff into space, and NASA's activity has slowed down so much that bureaucrats have to make up bs rules in order to justify their jobs. If private firms step in to fill the void (assuming they actually want to do things in space), they would probably find much cheaper and faster ways of getting into space
Honestly, people who think that space travel is a waste of time are idiots. NASA is directly and indirectly responsible for a ton of advances in technology that actually DO help the world at large.
If the US wants to help people, then they should cut down on their fucking retarded military budget.
If the US wants to help people, then they should cut down on their fucking retarded military budget.
Wow, this statement is so daft it was hard not to reply with an insult. Average human lifespan in the west has gone from around 40 to nearly 80 in less than 100 years. We are advancing at a rate far beyond anything ever known to exist, and it is vastly accelerating. The most defining trait of our culture today is that it CHANGES FASTER THAN ANY OTHER TIME IN HISTORY.Superior Mind said:
For you to make a statement like that I can only assume that you know literally nothing about history, much like how I must assume that your forum name is supposed to be ironic.
That's because more people are worried about their job or people with college education that can't get a job in their field and are looking at under-employment than those who want to see the moon and mars colonized.MovieBob said:
I love the space program, but it's one of the more expensive areas that aren't essential to the current economic shithole. THey'll still be researching and experimenting and all that stuff, but not building shuttles and building moon bases, which for the time being I agree with.
We have republicans thinking cutting taxes will reduce debt and are more willing to cut medicare and social security than allow the people who can afford it most get a 3-4% increase. So until they're willing to have reasonable tax increases, we're going to have to cut expensive programs so we can keep the essential ones. It sucks, but there it is.
What happened is people realized space is an airless wasteland, and we couldn't colonize it within a human lifetime. And do you really want to see the next messed up generation getting what the clearly superior Animaniacs generation, and even your semi-tolerable He-Man (Yes, I'm naming generations by the cartoons which embody the mass media) didn't? No. Screw those jerks!
Good point.cathou said:
Also progress in the long run will do a better job to help the poor and needy. We didn't just jump straight from making fire to building hospitals. Hospitals in a country that is rich enough to fix you first and ask questions later.
i agree with almost everything bob said in this clip and sorry if that makes me a heartless bastard but children starving e.t.c is mostly due to the earth being over populated... hmmm how could we get rid of a bunch of people with out mass murder, i wonder.
The internet seems to hate all scripture.
But this is one of the rare instance where i think it's appropriate
Matthew 26: 1 "The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."
Translation: There's always going to be some poor shmuck around.
And if even Jesus can say screw it, live a little. Why not you?
Like wise with a space program and social programs.
Thats not to say completely ignore social programs, but you definitely don't have to devote all your effort to them.
But this is one of the rare instance where i think it's appropriate
Matthew 26: 1 "The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."
Translation: There's always going to be some poor shmuck around.
And if even Jesus can say screw it, live a little. Why not you?
Like wise with a space program and social programs.
Thats not to say completely ignore social programs, but you definitely don't have to devote all your effort to them.