The Big Picture: Super Single
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From what I heard Superman will be single because DC lost the right of making Superman and Louis a couple not so that he can date WW
Makes sense to me that Superman be an unhitched single man, considering your argument, Bob.
Also, for the love of god, NEVER bring up One More Day ever again. Or at least help me kill Joe Quesada for it.
Also, for the love of god, NEVER bring up One More Day ever again. Or at least help me kill Joe Quesada for it.
Yeah Superman being married never made sence at all, since he never stopped doing any of his hero work to be with his wife. that just doesn't sound like superman to me
The military argument for Superman being single makes a lot of sense. I mean, I knew about Superman marrying Lois Lane, but I never thought about it much. After this video, I've realized that the writers didn't either.
Any bets on how long the DC reboot lasts? My money is on about two years, since that's about how long it'll take to set up all the characters and get a crisis crossover event going. It's really nothing more than a publicity stunt (which has worked so far).
And also, yes on the no more red underwear on the outside of his costume. It's one of those things that doesn't really work even as retro anymore.
Any bets on how long the DC reboot lasts? My money is on about two years, since that's about how long it'll take to set up all the characters and get a crisis crossover event going. It's really nothing more than a publicity stunt (which has worked so far).
And also, yes on the no more red underwear on the outside of his costume. It's one of those things that doesn't really work even as retro anymore.
Now I'm not a big Superman reader, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the biggest issue is not that the character doesn't (or can't) work as married. It's just no writer every bothered writing a story that explored what it meant for Superman to be married. It was just, "Oh, they're married now. That doesn't change anything except for a few throwaway panels every now and then. Or maybe she gets kidnapped." (But that last works just as well single as married.)
Once again a very insightful yet comedically entertaining lesson. I did not know about the DC reboot and it is now tempting me to go to the comic book store. Keep up this excellent work Bob.
Yeah, pretty good episode. I'm actually curious about how the fan reaction to this reboot will be now.
Superman is nigh on indestructable apart from when Doomsday killed him. But i saw that as Superman held back to long when he should of gone in and kicked his ass straight away. But i guess thats the first time Superman was ever forced into that situation. Every other enemy normally crumble.
I guess you would be safe marrying him....after all comparing him to a soldier is dumb as they can be shot dead. It takes way more to take down Superman.
OT: I love his comic rants. Very interesting. Thing is if a company keeps changing their characters all the time then people will stop buying them. Like in the Starwars series where they made Han Solo shoot second. Why change things that people were happy with? If you keep changing things to suit others then you are spitting in the face of the fans that bought your product for 20 years and you will lose your sole source of money. Believe me, they will not gain many new readers with the changes, most will still be the core fans.
I guess you would be safe marrying him....after all comparing him to a soldier is dumb as they can be shot dead. It takes way more to take down Superman.
OT: I love his comic rants. Very interesting. Thing is if a company keeps changing their characters all the time then people will stop buying them. Like in the Starwars series where they made Han Solo shoot second. Why change things that people were happy with? If you keep changing things to suit others then you are spitting in the face of the fans that bought your product for 20 years and you will lose your sole source of money. Believe me, they will not gain many new readers with the changes, most will still be the core fans.
I would be in favor of Marvel and DC retiring some of the old superheroes and letting new ones rise up. Both companies have basically run out of ideas for the characters are are just staggering around looking for new ways to reinvent the heroes they've got. When that happens, it's time for fresh blood.
So, after watching the video, I tried to find a picture of Superman with, then without, his red underwear, and I must admit, listening to random parts of Moviebob's sentences mashed together is almost as enjoyable as listening to them in their regular order. Almost.
Welcome to the reasoning of people in a marketing department. This is the kind of crap that leads to shoddy characterization and design. See also: Ninja Theory's take on Devil May Cry. forgetting that most of its fans loved Dante's flamboyant attitude and corny one-liners.EverythingIncredible said:
At least it's not Joe Quesada's crappy reasoning for OMD which was mostly because his ex-wife was a flaming ***** to him and he's pushed his hatred of marriage onto the Marvel universe with Cyclops and Hank Pym.
Hmmm, well I don't think Wonder Woman and Superman is a bad pairing, I could see them trying to make it work given the long-term association of the characters. Wonder Woman always struck me as being Bi-, and to be honest from a certain perspective someone like Superman might be the only man she considers worthy of her.
As a storyline, them getting together, having it work for a bit, and then breaking up due to the differances might be interesting. Especially if Wonder Woman has a lot of girl lovers and this is revealed as something that had been going on for a while. Especially if sex is kind of a political thing for her as much as anything.
An interesting sidestory might be if in the midst of them realizing that it's not going to work you had Wonder Woman apparently killed, in such a way that leaves Superman as the king of a certain mystical island that has long standing issues with the idea of superpowerful men due to a guy called Hercules. Given that Superman is a giant boyscout, and the Amazons might have trouble dealing with that... complete with attemps to murder him, while he continually saves the island along with the rest of humanity, there is some story potential there as a temporary thing... and it's resolvable when Diana comes back from where ever.
Maybe not that evolution of things paticularly (it's an off the cuff idea) but the point is that there is some story potential behind a Wonder Woman/Superman relationship that lasts more than a few issues. It's not something that has to last forever, but simply exploring the reasons why it might happen, and why it probably wouldn't work would be... interesting, and the pressure Diana most likely being a Bi-gal puts on the relationship, preventing it from staying in the backround as much as before could be the catalyst to bringing it out there.
Other than that, I'm more miffed with Superman apparently renouncing US citizenship than the whole breakup of his marriage. I understand the reasoning for it, but when it goes so far as actually making a point over having him do it formally in the comics... I think it's tasteless political posturing. It's more about the writers wanting to make a point than anything, and to me this kind of garbage is what has derailed things like Marvel's "Civil War".
As a storyline, them getting together, having it work for a bit, and then breaking up due to the differances might be interesting. Especially if Wonder Woman has a lot of girl lovers and this is revealed as something that had been going on for a while. Especially if sex is kind of a political thing for her as much as anything.
An interesting sidestory might be if in the midst of them realizing that it's not going to work you had Wonder Woman apparently killed, in such a way that leaves Superman as the king of a certain mystical island that has long standing issues with the idea of superpowerful men due to a guy called Hercules. Given that Superman is a giant boyscout, and the Amazons might have trouble dealing with that... complete with attemps to murder him, while he continually saves the island along with the rest of humanity, there is some story potential there as a temporary thing... and it's resolvable when Diana comes back from where ever.
Maybe not that evolution of things paticularly (it's an off the cuff idea) but the point is that there is some story potential behind a Wonder Woman/Superman relationship that lasts more than a few issues. It's not something that has to last forever, but simply exploring the reasons why it might happen, and why it probably wouldn't work would be... interesting, and the pressure Diana most likely being a Bi-gal puts on the relationship, preventing it from staying in the backround as much as before could be the catalyst to bringing it out there.
Other than that, I'm more miffed with Superman apparently renouncing US citizenship than the whole breakup of his marriage. I understand the reasoning for it, but when it goes so far as actually making a point over having him do it formally in the comics... I think it's tasteless political posturing. It's more about the writers wanting to make a point than anything, and to me this kind of garbage is what has derailed things like Marvel's "Civil War".