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lacktheknack said:
True story of two Canadians:



Me: "Augh! Are you all right?"

Her: "I'M SORRY! I'M SORRY! I'll be OK..."

So yes, the stereotype is true.
There's also the classic "Canadian Shuffle" that happens the nation over several hundred times a day...

Two people walking in opposite directions start crossing eachothers path, they sort of "dance around" for a second, make eye contact, both say "Sorry!" in a surprised manner and then they'll both try to defer and let the other by.

Yup... sometimes there really is a sort of "politeness one-ups-man-ship" that goes on up here
 

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Tim Horton's sucks balls.
I know it's a national treasure, but they used to be SO much better.

Remember when every store baked their own products from scratch in house? THAT was something worth going to. Now all the doughnuts are shipped to each store from central warehouses pre-frozen. It made them way, way worse. Tim Horton's chocolate chip muffins used to be the boss sauce, now they're worse than just a pre-made muffin from a grocery store.

Also, their coffee is horrible. Let's just admit that.
I don't know how it used to be as I didn't drink coffee back then.
Meh, the ice caps are still good.

I never cared for the donuts so I didn't see the premade ones as much worse. Also, they now can maintain the quantity of donuts needed for customers, they used to run out of everything in 5 min. In my area anyway.
 

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War Of 1812
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I'm going to seem like a dick saying this. But with the exception of Stonington, which I can't find much information on, every single assertion you've made in your post is wrong. Again, I don't want to be a dick about it, but I can't let this amount of misinformation stand without replying to it. I'll try to make this as quick and painless as possible and include Wikipedia links.

the Brits pretty much decided to "put America in it's place" and engaged in epic military fail.
It was actually the United States that invaded, not Britain. War hawks in Congress wanted to make the British pay for a number of measures they were taking as part of the Napoleonic Wars, including blocking American trade with France and forcing American sailors to join the British navy. Britain at the time was fighting the entirety of Europe and had no interest in starting another war in the colonies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_War_of_1812

They moved in largely from Canada and did indeed burn down The White House, and then pretty much wound up being forced into a full scale retreat.
Although I'm sure there were some land invasions from Canada, most likely in the form of raids and such, the majority of British aggression in the war came from naval landings, Lake Erie. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bladensburg] There was no major gain or loss for either of the two combatants, and the war ended in a stalemate.

There is some powerful symbolism in that "victory", especially for the Anti-American crowd, but for the most part it had the Brits coming in and trying to seize territory and then getting spanked and running like bunnies.
I don't know the American side of the war well enough to pull up a list of British victories and defeats, but all I can say is that this really isn't true. Certainly you've left out the American incursions over the Canadian border and their defeats there.

You don't hear a lot about it because a lot of the records are spotty, taking a lot to piece together,
There's no shortage whatsoever of records on the War of 1812. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_about_the_War_of_1812]

but it involves things like the "Battle Of Stonington" which you've probably never heard of that more or less summarize the entire war. The enemy came rolling in to take over, ran into resistance, something like 3,000 rounds of ammo were fired, 11 people were killed, and the invaders pretty much decided "F@ck this" and left. All throughout New England (where I live) you'll find little things here and there about it, stories about why cannons are preserved on town greens, and everything else.
As I said, it's hard to find information on this, but a cursory Google search <a href="http://www.theday.com/article/20120628/NWS01/307019996>seems to support your story. It hardly summarizes the entire war, though...

Simply put The White House was burned but after a point a foothold was pretty much impossible to obtain or maintain,
I suppose so, but you're missing out that the United States was similarly unable to make any kind of noticeable progress in Canada.

the US was at that point simply too heavily armed and too well trained (as far as such things went).
I don't know the history of the U.S. army very well, but I doubt this. The source on Wikipedia [http://books.google.ca/books?id=390r2-ayPY0C&pg=PR11&lpg=PP1&dq=The+War+of+1812:+A+Forgotten+Conflict] (page 126) notes that most of the army was still inexperienced, and I find it very hard to imagine the United States managing to "heavily arm" itself in the middle of a British blockade.

It's been argued that the reality of this failure was one of the major nails in the coffin of the so called "British Colonial Army" due to it's inabillity to put down the rebellion about much propaganda about how easy it was going to be to re-capture the US.
I don't know what rebellion you're talking about, and I have serious doubts about British propaganda about the recapture of the United States, mostly because that was never the British government's goal. There may have been Canadian Loyalists that wanted it, but the United Kingdom was just barely managing to keep Napoleon down, let alone take over large parts of North America. By "British Colonial Army" I assume you mean the British military presence in North America, which was only reduced after Confederation in 1867.

The War of 1812 isn't my field, and I'm sure I've missed out on a number of things, but I think I've hit the gist of your points. I'm sorry. I'm not sure where you learned about the War of 1812, but one or more of your teachers needs to be smacked.
 

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lacktheknack said:
True story of two Canadians:



Me: "Augh! Are you all right?"

Her: "I'M SORRY! I'M SORRY! I'll be OK..."

So yes, the stereotype is true.

In the best ways possible. ;)
 

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I'm in Saratoga NY, north of Albany and I know what Tim Hortons is. Sadly we don't have one around here that I know of, but whenever we go out to Niagara Falls and stay on the Canadian side, I always stop at the rest area on the NYS Thruway that has the Tim Hortons in it. They have good paninis and soup, and the coffee is a million times better than dunkin doughnuts or Starbucks.
 

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Wow. This is ripped off wholesale from the smodcast/nerdist podcast called FEAB. Episode is called Canadian Sniper. Please go back to telling an interesting and unique story with Erin and her illness. Seems when you try to do one shot joke strips they suck, and now you are resorting to theft. Sad.
 

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link to the podcast mentioned:

http://smodcast.com/episodes/canadian-sniper/
 

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Moosejaw said:
There's no need to invade Canada, their government will always go along with ours no matter what we do until we bankrupt ourselves from overspending and ridiculous military adventurism and finally go the way of the Roman Empire - which will not be very great for Canada when it happens. Too bad we can't cut our deficits like you guys.
Haha, Cut our deficits! Can't remember the last time that happened. Our present government has spent their entire time in power importing failed American economic, social, and military spending policies. Like wanting to build larger prisons, mandatory minimum sentences for drug convictions, and one of my favourites, buying F-35 fighter jets to replace our aging jets.

Except no one knows how much they'll cost and the amount keeps going up. And they lack the range to adequately patrol the Canadian coast. And the only country we could ever conceivably use them against is America. And you guys have the largest military in the world, more planes, more tanks, and you're selling us the damn things in the first place.

Yeah, that makes sense.
 

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NearLifeExperience said:
I really don't get this one. Is this an inside joke between Americans and Canadians?
The joke goes a few ways. First, Canadians really like Tim Hortons (chain of donut & coffee shops), for whatever reason. Secondly, there's a stereotype that Canadians apologize compulsively, leading this sniper to not only apologize for shooting an enemy troop in the head, but reveal his position by doing so.
 

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Azex said:
Wow. This is ripped off wholesale from the smodcast/nerdist podcast called FEAB. Episode is called Canadian Sniper. Please go back to telling an interesting and unique story with Erin and her illness. Seems when you try to do one shot joke strips they suck, and now you are resorting to theft.
Azex said:
Wow. This is ripped off wholesale from the smodcast/nerdist podcast called FEAB. Episode is called Canadian Sniper. Please go back to telling an interesting and unique story with Erin and her illness. Seems when you try to do one shot joke strips they suck, and now you are resorting to theft. Sad.
Yeah, I totally stole it from this obscure show I've never even heard of. It's not like it's a fairly obvious joke that plays on a well publicized stereotype or anything. Good job, detective Internet.
 

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I recall learning if an event in history similar to this, I don't know the exact details I just remember hearing the words, British, White House and burnt to the ground.
Eh it's a pretty touchy subject between Americans and Canadians, gets into a lot of revisionist history depending on which side of the border you're on. Let me try to sum up the key points in the simplest manner possible.

First, the Napoleonic wars were going on. The US could have cared less, but the British Navy started impressing US vessels (basically conscripting them into their own navy I believe) and throwing up trade restrictions which royally pissed the Americans off. One shouldn't forget that France played a big part in the American revolution. US said fuck you Britain, while you're busy fighting Napoleon we'll take your Northern colony's! Population wise the US colonists held a 10:1 advantage, and they had a 2 year window to invade/liberate what is now Ontario and Quebec, but the British & French colonists along with the local Natives banded together and fought them off. Then Napoleon ended, the British sent their army over which culminated with the burning of the White House, but no one really felt like fighting anymore so they signed a peace treaty which established the current US-Canada border.

Oh and great comic by the way, like someone else said I got the impression they were going for a 'Homefront' thing except with the Americans being the ones doing the invading. And I imagine many of the Escapists international users will be confused :)
 

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The Last Melon said:
Therumancer said:
War Of 1812
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I'm going to seem like a dick saying this. But with the exception of Stonington, which I can't find much information on, every single assertion you've made in your post is wrong. Again, I don't want to be a dick about it, but I can't let this amount of misinformation stand without replying to it. I'll try to make this as quick and painless as possible and include Wikipedia links.

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I'll put it to you this way. Your the second person attempting to present a backround in history saying that I'm wrong, and I suppose I can see this, as historical re-inventionism is a big deal nowadays with things being changed around in an increasingly anti-US light, especially within the US. I don't doubt in this case that someone told you these things, and some of the people writing wikipedia agreed with you, and that maybe you even managed to get a degree with such information, but that doesn't mean it's true. This is exactly the kind of dispute that leads to criticisms of colleges and such operating largely as left wing political apparatus, spreading propaganda.

Speaking for my part, a lot of my information comes from actually living in New England, where a lot of this stuff actually happened, and being familiar with a certain amount of local history. It doesn't surprise me that there isn't much record of "The Battle Of Stongington" because it will be inconveinent to the current propaganda, on the other hand I've actually you know... been to Stonington and a lot of the local teachers and museums and such make sure people know things like that and can put it into context, especially given that it's important to people who are from Stonington.

It's sort of like how a lot of people love to try and tell me what happened with Native Americans or what their culture was like (or is like) when I've actually worked for two tribes down here. The natives will be the first to tell you that a lot of these big massacres (on the east coast) were hardly one sided or unprovoked, and also that their people weren't all that primitive either especially when a lot of these things happened, and they got VERY political. People tend to be shocked when they realize that Chief Uncas despite what happened to his people is personally very well respected and all kinds of things are named after him and his feats, namely because he was pretty much okay, but the people under him that made a lot of the desicians at the time were a bunch of greedy oppertunistic douchebags who started a war the Mohegans couldn't win, motivated purely by greed. A decent relationship with the Mohegans before that is also why the tribe survived into the present day, and was never as ambigious as the claims of Mashantucket survival, which is a whole differant discussion (I've worked for both the Mohegans and Mashantuckets).

Incidently, a lot of this kind of historical re-inventionism is at the root of why a lot of people are so upset when people decide to move in and start making the insides of town halls, courthouses, etc... "politically correct". Removing things like religious iconography and the like. A lot of those symbols weren't just religious but also commemerated specific events such as battles. Over the years there has been a lot of criticism about how the first thing the liberals do is come in and take away the stone statue of a bible, and then try and tell you the event it commemerated never happened or "you learned it wrong" despite it being placed so people wouldn't forget. New England, despite some strong left wing leanings (the way we go politically in most big, federal, elections is pretty obvious), has constant battles between historical preservation and the politically correct over these kinds of things. Sadly those wanting to preserve the past are losing, and the results are discussions like the one we're having.

I'd imagine the guys who taught you, also told you that on the east coast Native Americans were a group of migrant hunter-gatherers with no concept of property ownership and a simple tribal structure, who all lived peacefully before the white men arrived. In reality there were primitive farmers who lived in longhouses that had complicated arrangements involving not only a chief, but sub-chiefs, and a tribal council of elders. Tribes like the Mashantuckets and Mohegans never paticularly got along and fought each other all the time over land... and land and territory were something they very much understood in trading for it. The Mashantuckets even run a pretty substantial museum explaining this with an entire village built up inside of it by way of demonstration to show you pretty much what one would have looked like. Primitive compared to the whites? Yes, but neither THAT primitive or ignorant. Once you understand exactly who you are talking about, you can begin to really understand how things played out for example... but for the most part you'll never hear anything but 'evil white men, exploiting and killing innocent migrant savages that had no conception of what they were dealing with... somehow remaining untouched and pure even after decades of contact'.
 

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Well, I have no problem reading the strip in IE10, but the problem is in the joke. I was expecting more of the strip. This is still about video games, right?
 

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Therumancer said:
The Last Melon said:
Therumancer said:
War Of 1812
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I'm going to seem like a dick saying this. But with the exception of Stonington, which I can't find much information on, every single assertion you've made in your post is wrong. Again, I don't want to be a dick about it, but I can't let this amount of misinformation stand without replying to it. I'll try to make this as quick and painless as possible and include Wikipedia links.

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I'll put it to you this way. Your the second person attempting to present a backround in history saying that I'm wrong, and I suppose I can see this, as historical re-inventionism is a big deal nowadays with things being changed around in an increasingly anti-US light, especially within the US. I don't doubt in this case that someone told you these things, and some of the people writing wikipedia agreed with you, and that maybe you even managed to get a degree with such information, but that doesn't mean it's true. This is exactly the kind of dispute that leads to criticisms of colleges and such operating largely as left wing political apparatus, spreading propaganda.

Speaking for my part, a lot of my information comes from actually living in New England, where a lot of this stuff actually happened, and being familiar with a certain amount of local history. It doesn't surprise me that there isn't much record of "The Battle Of Stongington" because it will be inconveinent to the current propaganda, on the other hand I've actually you know... been to Stonington and a lot of the local teachers and museums and such make sure people know things like that and can put it into context, especially given that it's important to people who are from Stonington.
The issue with the War of 1812 is a matter of perspective. For the Canadians it was a war where much smaller British colonial forces and local Canadian volunteers beat back much larger invading American forces. We have heroic forces like Sir Isaac Brock and Tecumseh. We beat the Americans at Detroit and Queenston Heights and afterwards we kept them from occupying Canada for the rest of the war.

Americans tend to remember the war more for the battle of New Orleans where they won a massive victory over British forces sent from Europe. Of course, the outcome of the battle was moot since a peace treaty has already been signed so it was a major waste of lives.

As far as I can ascertain right now "The Battle Of Stongington" was a failed naval raid by three British ships. The Americans beat them back and suffered only a single civilian casualty. While it is definitely a proud local moment, it seemed not to have much strategic relevance to the war. I am not sure why it would be "inconvenient to the current propaganda". I would think the atrocity-laden Niagara campaigns would be more of an issue.
 

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RandV80 said:
Vault Citizen said:
I recall learning if an event in history similar to this, I don't know the exact details I just remember hearing the words, British, White House and burnt to the ground.
Eh it's a pretty touchy subject between Americans and Canadians, gets into a lot of revisionist history depending on which side of the border you're on. Let me try to sum up the key points in the simplest manner possible.

First, the Napoleonic wars were going on. The US could have cared less, but the British Navy started impressing US vessels (basically conscripting them into their own navy I believe) and throwing up trade restrictions which royally pissed the Americans off. One shouldn't forget that France played a big part in the American revolution. US said fuck you Britain, while you're busy fighting Napoleon we'll take your Northern colony's! Population wise the US colonists held a 10:1 advantage, and they had a 2 year window to invade/liberate what is now Ontario and Quebec, but the British & French colonists along with the local Natives banded together and fought them off. Then Napoleon ended, the British sent their army over which culminated with the burning of the White House, but no one really felt like fighting anymore so they signed a peace treaty which established the current US-Canada border.

Oh and great comic by the way, like someone else said I got the impression they were going for a 'Homefront' thing except with the Americans being the ones doing the invading. And I imagine many of the Escapists international users will be confused :)
In 1812 the British were pretty much dissing the Americans so the Americans wanted to show the world that they should be treated as a serious nation. However, they lacked a proper army, had to rely too much on militias and their generals were political appointees. The British forces in Canada held back the Americans till Britain could send an army to attack America. However, by that time the Americans managed to train up their troops to match the British and appointed more competent generals. So the British got their ass handed to them at New Orleans. However, by that time the war was already over so the victory was merely a morale issue.

It's almost of a point of Canadian pride that other nations, especially the US, tend to underestimate Canada but when the crunch comes, we step up and fight for what we believe in.
 

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Um... sniper rifles can shoot through helmets now? I thought militaries these days had better equipment than that. Unless they are out of the resources needed for bullet-proof helms or we just have bullets that make the word bullet-proof non-existant.

You know US military(in this strip), you could've just, you know, ASKED. I mean we're both civil contries. I'm sure we can talk it out....