The Dark Souls PC version controversy.

[daveman247]

i think if there is one thing from can take from this. Don't listen to the pc gamers ever again :L


To be fair i think the main problem is this is a console game through and through. It was never meant for pc. I find it hard to imagine how the controls would work on a keyboard...

 

[ToastiestZombie]

I personally never cared about the resolution.

I just dont want that GFW shit on my computer.

Yep, resolution and framerate locks can easily be fixed my the community, and there will more than likely be mods to enhance the visuals for the PC. But GFWL can only be fixed with piracy, which I'll never do and which causes a whole load more problems. That's the main reason I'm hesitant on getting it for the PC.

 

[Ildanach]

And you of course have your right to not buy a straight port if it doesn't appeal to you but insulting a fair developer just because its not had a extensive upgrade over one version of the game, seems petulant to me.

And speaks of a mindset that doesn't care for the design principles the developers put into the game in the first place.

And if this is the case because I may be horribly wrong, why bother with the game?

A developer is free to do a half-assed job of any product, for any reason.

Customers are free to buy or not buy said product based on their perception of its quality.

Customers are also free to draw what conclusions they will about the motives and/or competence of the developers.

All of that is fair game. If you want a reputation for doing a good job, do a good job. It's really that simple. If I'm baking a cake, and I warn you ahead of time it's likely going to be shit, and it turns out shit, I don't then merit a reputation as a baker of excellent cakes just because I'm a good dude and I gave you a heads up. Most particularly if I then try to charge you extra for my cake.

It is true that just warning you about it is not enough, but is it really a shit port just because it is a game designed on console that you can now run on PC in exactly the same state?
I am not so sure it is.
Of course this is my preference and you have your own preference.
But going to the cake reference maybe it was home baked but it was being served in a gourmet restuarant but they advise you ahead of time it is home baked and discount it heavily.
Isn't that just down to preference and expectations?
I wouldn't mind this example because I don't mind either style of cooking, good food is good food.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

I personally never cared about the resolution.

I just dont want that GFW shit on my computer.

Yep, resolution and framerate locks can easily be fixed my the community, and there will more than likely be mods to enhance the visuals for the PC. But GFWL can only be fixed with piracy, which I'll never do and which causes a whole load more problems. That's the main reason I'm hesitant on getting it for the PC.

The worse part is that the cracks dont even fix the GFW problem.

You still have to have GFW installed on your computer, the racks just trick GFW into thinking it is connected to the internet when it really isnt.

I have GFWL (Not GFW, Games for Windows is perfectly fine. Crysis was a games for windows game, for example) installed. Got it when I got Arkham City. It fucking deleted my save file! I was at the part where you

Spoiler

Fight Mr Freeze

and then I had to do everything again!

I'm still not going to pirate Dark Souls, I seriously do not condone that shit.

 

[DracoSuave]

Even gabe isn't "nice" enough to migrate to linux, unless microsoft turns windows into a video converter it will never happen.

Erm, Valve are already working on a Linux version of the Source engine. There was an article on here about it a while ago, the results of the testing were pretty impressive. Here's the link to the article http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118882-Valves-Source-Engine-Runs-Better-on-Linux-Than-Windows

That doesn't mean he's switching Steam to Linux...

No, but the PC gamers, the second party in the original statement, just might.

If a free OS starts supporting games properly, and running them better? Of course PC gamers are going to switch.
I hold no love for Microsoft Windows in my heart, I just use it because I can be sure all my shit will work.

This guy, thinking that the smallest section of the market is actually the largest, and that if they left they'd take the market with them.

This guy.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

It is true that just warning you about it is not enough, but is it really a shit port just because it is a game designed on console that you can now run on PC in exactly the same state?

I am not so sure it is.

Of course this is my preference and you have your own preference.

But going to the cake reference maybe it was home baked but it was being served in a gourmet restuarant but they advise you ahead of time it is home baked and discount it heavily.
Isn't that just down to preference and expectations?

I wouldn't mind this example because I don't mind either style of cooking, good food is good food.

It's not discounted heavily though. It currently costs more on the PC than the bloody console.

I don't understand this "you can run it on PC's in exactly the same state, we're happy with it, why aren't you?" argument. Playing games on the PC =/= playing games on the console. AGAIN. If it was a game with Wii graphics on your PS3, no one would be saying "Well, the Wii guys are happy with it, I guess we should be too". They'd be saying "What the hell...?". They'd especially be saying saying "What the hell..." if they got charged extra.

There's this narrative that this port happened because of good vibrations and because the guys who make/distribute the game have hearts of gold and want to show some love to their PC brethren. I find that a little facile. They evidently want to sell a game to a sizable potential audience. There's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with calling their attention to the fact they did an absolutely rubbish job of it.

 

[Ildanach]

Games for Windows Live is in my opinion the real devil in this port.
I would still get the game because hey I have GFWL for Batman Arkham Asylum and I can actually play it reasonably consistently but I still hate the hell out of it.
I hate Steam, Origin and GFWL but I do not deprive myself of games I want to play just because of annoyances that surround them. I understand sometimes these annoyances for me = unplayable for others and I respect that though.

 

[The Lunatic]

Given a key corner stone of the game is based around frustration.

I doubt the extra hampering from a poor port will make the game all that enjoyable.

 

[synobal]

The game still looks very poor, but I'm really more interested in the gameplay. We will see if it holds up.

 

[yuval152]

I personally never cared about the resolution.

I just dont want that GFW shit on my computer.

Yep, resolution and framerate locks can easily be fixed my the community, and there will more than likely be mods to enhance the visuals for the PC. But GFWL can only be fixed with piracy, which I'll never do and which causes a whole load more problems. That's the main reason I'm hesitant on getting it for the PC.

GFWL can be fixed through mods, it was fixed in fallout 3.

 

[Lunar Templar]

B: The development team that wasn't used to working for the PC overlooked a fix that they didn't know about in the process of doing something that they hadn't done before.

i believe this over the non-sense the OP was spewing

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

The limitations of this port wasn't because the programmers of From Software are inexperienced as we were lead to believe,but instead these limitations where applied in purpose on the PC version of the game,as a design choice,to avoid console players getting jealous that the PC version can be played at higher resolutions than the console versions.

As a PC gamer I can safely say I think that is a load of bollocks.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

I personally never cared about the resolution.

I just dont want that GFW shit on my computer.

Yep, resolution and framerate locks can easily be fixed my the community, and there will more than likely be mods to enhance the visuals for the PC. But GFWL can only be fixed with piracy, which I'll never do and which causes a whole load more problems. That's the main reason I'm hesitant on getting it for the PC.

GFWL can be fixed through mods, it was fixed in fallout 3.

Oh cool, didn't know there was a GFWL fix. Just goes to show how bad GFWL is that a mod that takes it away is known as a fix. I'll be getting the port when I've got the money then.

 

[The White Hunter]

The limitations of this port wasn't because the programmers of From Software are inexperienced as we were lead to believe,but instead these limitations where applied in purpose on the PC version of the game,as a design choice,to avoid console players getting jealous that the PC version can be played at higher resolutions than the console versions.

Yes.

It's most certainly jealously that is the cause of all this.

I mean, how could I possibly enjoy a game if I knew that PC gamers where getting it in a higher resolution?

The thought just terrifies me.

Yes the thoughtor marginally worse graphics terrifies me to death, I can't stand to be lacking the extra resolution, it burns my eyes to look upon such hideous abominations as Dark Souls running in 720p!

THE HORROR OF IT ALL!! D: Somebody think of the women and children!

Hyperbole over; really I don't care, nobody should care too much about visuals over gameplay, the framerate is a bigger issue than the resolution either way you slice it but the best part of Dark Souls is the gameplay and old-school difficulty.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Ima just waiting for a the game to come out...

 

[The White Hunter]

The game still looks very poor, but I'm really more interested in the gameplay. We will see if it holds up.

I can summarise the gameplay: be cautious as hell, especially with summoning players from bloodstains, or you're gonna die a hell of a lot.

I only managed to not snap controllers in this and it's forerunner by virtue of obscene defensive power and walking round every corner with a shield up.

 

[Ushiromiya Battler]

They gave me the game on the pc, exactly what I wanted
There are fixes out there to fix all my problems with the pc port except for the atrocious GFWL.

I'm fine with this, sadly I don't have the money to buy it yet.
I'll just have to wait.

 

[Ildanach]

It's not discounted heavily though. It currently costs more on the PC than the bloody console.

Sorry I though they were releasing at 40 USD but considering I would have to pay over 110$ to get it in my country or the equivalent to 90$ on steam I don't care much either way, if I got Dark Souls at launch on Ps3 it would have been more.

I don't understand this "you can run it on PC's in exactly the same state, we're happy with it, why aren't you?" argument. Playing games on the PC =/= playing games on the console. AGAIN. If it was a game with Wii graphics on your PS3, no one would be saying "Well, the Wii guys are happy with it, I guess we should be too". They'd be saying "What the hell...?". They'd especially be saying saying "What the hell..." if they got charged extra.

If a game was good enough to interest me I wouldn't care about any of that I would get it.
Because my philosophy is why should I not get what I want?
If I wanted it on Ps3 even though it was exactly the same as on Wii I would.
I will just deal with it and move on.

And I am not saying you should be happy with it, I am saying why does it matter?
Because as long as it plays the exact same or better it is a good port.
Feel free to not like the port but why should PC gamers have more, just because the platform can support more?

There's this narrative that this port happened because of good vibrations and because the guys who make/distribute the game have hearts of gold and want to show some love to their PC brethren. I find that a little facile. They evidently want to sell a game to a sizable potential audience. There's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with calling their attention to the fact they did an absolutely rubbish job of it.

Did they do a rubbish job of it though?
The only thing that sounds horrid is keyboard/mouse control and GFWL.
And its not like you don't have an alternate control method, which is readily available.

 

[yuval152]

I personally never cared about the resolution.

I just dont want that GFW shit on my computer.

Yep, resolution and framerate locks can easily be fixed my the community, and there will more than likely be mods to enhance the visuals for the PC. But GFWL can only be fixed with piracy, which I'll never do and which causes a whole load more problems. That's the main reason I'm hesitant on getting it for the PC.

GFWL can be fixed through mods, it was fixed in fallout 3.

Oh cool, didn't know there was a GFWL fix. Just goes to show how bad GFWL is that a mod that takes it away is known as a fix. I'll be getting the port when I've got the money then.

I think you should wait if/untill there's a disabler for dark souls, the fallout 3 disabler might not work with dark souls.

 

[Lunar Templar]

So there was a big conspiracy to keep the PC players of the game from accessing higher resolutions.. and yet the "fix" to this devislih developer crafted plot was left sitting in an easily edited .ini file? Seems plausible to me.

And this is just one reason this thread makes me sad.

sad? i found it humors given the amount of hypocrisy

"we want a game that was never intended for PC release, from a dev that doesn't make PC, now that we have it, we're gonna whiny like toddlers cause cause a more experienced with PCs modded fixed a problem the inexperienced with PC dev team missed"

the whole thread makes me giggle and glad i don't have that stick wedged up my ass like they do