The Devil

[Abedeus]

I'm a lazy Christian and don't think about this stuff much but I think the devil is the one who tried to tempt Jesus right?

Ayup. Tried to make him betray his Father.

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Too bad that you are wrong. If he was a dictator, you wouldn't be able to say anything wrong about him. Even that he's a dictator. Know why? Because there is no free will in dictatorship. Only rules and punishments.

 

[lozzab]

He banished him to Hell.

Methinks that's not completely true... Admittedly it was a few days ago that I checked this so my memory could be a little fuzzy, but I think God actually just threw him down to earth...

 

[SoonerMatt]

I don't think the devil is that bad a guy; I mean, come on, he plays the fiddle and vacations in Georgia!

Personally, though, I don't see the devil as the enemy of god but rather the counter-thesis of god. If god is all knowing then when he created him he would have known the devil would trick Adam and Eve, rebel against him, and try to get millions of people to be swayed against god. In essence god created his own enemy who he could easily unmake, yet he doesn't because "he wants humans to have temptation." At the same time when we're created, god already knows whether or not we'll side with the devil or not, which eliminates our free-will, (how can they really be our own decision if they're already known?) so in our creation we're damned from day 1.

This is just one of the many reasons I consider myself agnostic.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Too bad that you are wrong. If he was a dictator, you wouldn't be able to say anything wrong about him. Even that he's a dictator. Know why? Because there is no free will in dictatorship. Only rules and punishments.

Except he is a dictator because if you do say bad things about him you supposedly go to Hell.

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

I thought it was because Satan wants to kill all of us and bring about the downfall of all humanity.

 

[bodyklok]

The Devils one of the main reasons I'm not a Christian.

 

[kaziard]

I'm a lazy Christian and don't think about this stuff much but I think the devil is the one who tried to tempt Jesus right?

nope that was elmo

 

[Abedeus]

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Too bad that you are wrong. If he was a dictator, you wouldn't be able to say anything wrong about him. Even that he's a dictator. Know why? Because there is no free will in dictatorship. Only rules and punishments.

Except he is a dictator because if you do say bad things about him you supposedly go to Hell.

No, you don't. It may be a sin if you worship few gods, but being angry is a natural emotion. If you regret it later, nothing happens.

Unless you wish God to die and so on, then it's a mortal sin... but that's pretty much the same if you wish a death of another man.

 

[Skeleon]

What if I worship something else entirely? Polytheism? Or if I follow pagan rites?

 

[Flushfacker]

Deaths in the Bible.
God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood,
Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues,
famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers were given.
Satan - 10

I like this, I know who I'm more scared of :s

 

[Ghost]

i'm not religious at all so err, HAIL SATAN! SATAN SAVES!

btw

Deaths in the Bible.
God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood,
Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues,
famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers were given.
Satan - 10

I like this, I know who I'm more scared of :s

wow, that's shocking lol. didn't satan invent sin? wait, how did he invent sin, and why didn't god not invent him if he creates everything...

/me is confused by religion

 

[Sindre1]

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Let me help, He isn't.

Thats as stupid as claiming he is.
How could you possible know.

 

[Dudemeister]

Well he did try to overthrow God.
Still, it's not like we all haven't had a go at some time or another.

i don't remember anything written in the bible about devil overthrowing god...
wtf r u smoking?

How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to earth... You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God... I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit. (Isaiah 14:12-15)

 

[Dudemeister]

Debating the moral alignment of a ficticious being seems rather silly to me.

Why?
The Devil's an awesome conversation starter.

 

[FallenRainbows]

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Let me help, He isn't.

Thats as stupid as claiming he is.
How could you possible know.

I could go for hours but I cannot be botherd.

1. If its stupid to say he does its rational to say he isn't
2. If he did exist there would be some proff
3. LotR makes more sence than the bible
4. Something of such power would do something

 

[Sindre1]

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Let me help, He isn't.

Thats as stupid as claiming he is.
How could you possible know.

I could go for hours but I cannot be botherd.

1. If its stupid to say he does its rational to say he isn't
2. If he did exist there would be some proff
3. LotR makes more sence than the bible
4. Something of such power would do something

You can pretend that you know stuff, but you still dont. None of us does.
It is most likely that there is no God, but noone knows. Thats the end of it.

He may just be lazy...

 

[FallenRainbows]

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Let me help, He isn't.

Thats as stupid as claiming he is.
How could you possible know.

I could go for hours but I cannot be botherd.

1. If its stupid to say he does its rational to say he isn't
2. If he did exist there would be some proff
3. LotR makes more sence than the bible
4. Something of such power would do something

You can pretend that you know stuff, but you still dont. None of us does.
It is most likely that there is no God, but noone knows. Thats the end of it.

He may just be lazy...

Well then he isn't "God" hes just a prick. God is omnipotent omiscient and a bunch of other omni things.

 

[Sindre1]

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Let me help, He isn't.

Thats as stupid as claiming he is.
How could you possible know.

I could go for hours but I cannot be botherd.

1. If its stupid to say he does its rational to say he isn't
2. If he did exist there would be some proff
3. LotR makes more sence than the bible
4. Something of such power would do something

You can pretend that you know stuff, but you still dont. None of us does.
It is most likely that there is no God, but noone knows. Thats the end of it.

He may just be lazy...

Well then he isn't "God" hes just a prick. God is omnipotent omiscient and a bunch of other omni things.

Cant he be both?

Omnisexual too?

 

[FallenRainbows]

I just realised that God is a dictator :S

Took ya time Didn't You?

Yes, yes I did.
Mind you, most of the time I think of him I wonder if he is real or not, not what kind of leader he is.

Let me help, He isn't.

Thats as stupid as claiming he is.
How could you possible know.

I could go for hours but I cannot be botherd.

1. If its stupid to say he does its rational to say he isn't
2. If he did exist there would be some proff
3. LotR makes more sence than the bible
4. Something of such power would do something

You can pretend that you know stuff, but you still dont. None of us does.
It is most likely that there is no God, but noone knows. Thats the end of it.

He may just be lazy...

Well then he isn't "God" hes just a prick. God is omnipotent omiscient and a bunch of other omni things.

Cant he be both?

Omnisexual too?

You carn't be all forgiving and a prick can you? He isn't real so what does he matter if he is all sexual? What does that mean exactly? Bisexual or just gets alot of it?

 

[Samurai Goomba]

because disproving omnipotence requires omnipotence

How does that work? Why do you think unlimited poweris required to see the flaw in the idea of unlimited power.

Omnipotent = all powerful
All powerful = nothing is impossible

If God creates an object/being that he is incapable of destroying then he does not have sufficient power to destroy the item, thus he is not omnipotent.

If God is incapable of creating such an object/being then clearly there is a limit to what he is capable of, thus not omnipotent.

I'm not challenging your belief in God, and should he exist then he would undoubtedly be the most powerful force/being in existance, all I'm saying is that the word omnipotent cannot accurately be applied to anything, not even God.

The word I was looking for was Omniscient, not Omnipotent (sorry). If one isn't all-knowing, how can he or she know whether God does or doesn't exist, or what the limits of his powers would be? Maybe God (being omniscient) has a reason for allowing the devil to live that we aren't intelligent enough to comprehend.

I mean, a person could be the smartest person in the world. He or she could know exactly 50% of all the knowledge that ever has or ever will have existed. Such a person would be extremely brilliant. They could have proven that, in the 50% of knowledge they knew, God could not possibly exist. But what about the other half? Even if there's just a 1% probability that God could exist, then he could exist and hide himself in that 1% of the unknown spectrum. The only way to disprove the existence of a God of any kind is for somebody to have knowledge of everything, all the time. And if they could do that, they would BE the God they were looking for.

Thus, disproving omniscience requires omniscience. See?

Anything else is just probability math and personal beliefs. And I'm not challenging your disbelief in God on a personal level or anything, I'm just clarifying my earlier statement. The impossibility of disproving God does not prove God, either. I believe he exists, but this is my unsubstantiated opinion based on personal, subjective experience.